Rods for casting long range

Enigma

Moderator
All 6 our zones had 4 or more blanks

1 Penkop, my son caught fish and he weighed 5, a grassie of 1.27kg and 4 yellows over 35cm each.

Not a bad day for Enigma and Mini Enigma.

All the ladies blanked and only 3 juniors caught fish.

Tough fishing to say the least but the club, Requin, I would venture to say won the casting Comp and therefore caught more fish. 6 of the team fished the G2 13' and we won with 111 points with 2nd team on 78pts and 3rd team 61pts

Built a good cushion for the next rounds
 

Enigma

Moderator
Juniors to the left before the bay began

I was in A zone and was about 100m to the left of where the tree stumps are in the water (where the road leads straight down to the water)
 

Naruto

Sealiner
Thats the same spot I sat in January with our clubcomp. Had my first win there. Love that place. Still want to do a weekend session there.
 

CARP1

Sealiner
All of a sudden Ive seen the light,Craig...Lmao!.We fished Cilliers on Saturday.Boat side.D Zone was pegged on the bend.We had to cast right into the hurricane.To make matters worse,we discovered a bed of rocks straight ahead,and we couldnt get the distance to go over the bed into deeper water.I fished my 13ft Okuma Tournament Pro's.A basic,entry level rod.What surprized me was that my pegmate,using 13ft Raging Bull's,couldnt outcast me on the day.Maybe Im just a casting monster,LOL! But I now realise the need for serious moering tools.Im taamlik sure that a additional 30-40m would have yielded more than my 3 day old,100g muddie.
 

Enigma

Moderator
The tournament rods are a great rod for casting all round fishing weights

The raging bull should by all counts and from my own experience outcast the Okhuma especially when you switch to heavier weights

Maybe your peg partner needs to get a gym subscription to match your casting power LOL.

Best is to cast your rods and then let the line settle and wind it tight and put a line clip in and first see if you can cast to the clip again.

Then take your reel and the same weight and put it on the RB and cast with it to see just how hard you can now hit the line clip. everything is the same, You, Reel, Line and Weight.....all that differs is the rod so you are now comparing apples with apples.
 

CARP1

Sealiner
I fully agree.Also,it was only the 2nd time he has fished with them.Then,I was also casting with a flatter trajectory to try and minimize the effect of the wind.He was casting "normally", if I can put it that way.Im very sure that the Raging Bulls will kill the Okumas every time.
 

Naruto

Sealiner
So Enigma, what would you say would be a good T53 setup(blank, eyes, tip etc) and what would we expect to pay for a rod like that? And would it be better the order it from you than to just go to the shop and buy it there?
 

LeonK

Member
CARP1 wrote:
I fully agree.Also,it was only the 2nd time he has fished with them.Then,I was also casting with a flatter trajectory to try and minimize the effect of the wind.He was casting "normally", if I can put it that way.Im very sure that the Raging Bulls will kill the Okumas every time.

nee hell carp1, wie was dit wat met die RB's gegooi het? ek wil hulle by hom koop want lyk my hy weet nie hoe werk daai stokke nie...LOL.

sien jou saterdag
 

CARP1

Sealiner
Nee hel,nou hou ek eerder my mond...soos ek darm ook gese het;hy het opwaarts gegooi,en dan het die wind hom teruggedruk.Ek het weer baie laag gegooi,so die wind het minder tyd gehad om my terug te druk.
 

Brakkanjan

Senior Member
Ek dink dis meer as net tegniek, jou toerusting het verseker ook daarmee te doen. Acidhouse het by Koppies 207meter gemeet met sy Purglass Custom Stokke. Ek gooi met my 10FT Bazookas verder as my 13FT Loomis Carp stokke. Ek het 1 keer gaan van met die T53's met die hard punt. Kerels daai goed gooi baie ver.

Ek wil as ek weer by die dam kom my Loomis Skarkey (Sy handvatsel net so lank laat maak soos 'n karp stok. Stok kan 'n 6OZ sinker cast)  laai met die Shimano DL 10 000 met 'n groot sinker en kyk wat hy kan doen ;)
 

CARP1

Sealiner
Ek hoor wat jy se Brak,maar ek het n probleem met baie van die advertensies wat jou vertel hoe ver n stok nou eintlik kan gooi.n Voorbeeld...n vriend van my het 2 x 13ft Sensation Rockets gekoop.In n toets het die manne tot 200m + gegooi.Toe hy gaan hengel kry hy nie afstand nie.Daai goed is so styf dat jy hom amper nie kan load met n M1.5 en bol nie.Ek gooi die rook uit hom uit met dieselfde sinker.Toe ek vir hom n P4 en bol laai,toe bere hy hom skielik.En ver.Maar jy kan nie lig hengel met hulle nie.Great moering tools,maar ek sal nog steeds eerder my Okumas vat.Dis nie die beste stok nie,maar hy hengel gerieflik met n 1.5 van 60 tot 110m,en vir verder haak ek n P3.
 

Naruto

Sealiner
CARP1 wrote:
Ek hoor wat jy se Brak,maar ek het n probleem met baie van die advertensies wat jou vertel hoe ver n stok nou eintlik kan gooi.n Voorbeeld...n vriend van my het 2 x 13ft Sensation Rockets gekoop.In n toets het die manne tot 200m + gegooi.Toe hy gaan hengel kry hy nie afstand nie.Daai goed is so styf dat jy hom amper nie kan load met n M1.5 en bol nie.Ek gooi die rook uit hom uit met dieselfde sinker.Toe ek vir hom n P4 en bol laai,toe bere hy hom skielik.En ver.Maar jy kan nie lig hengel met hulle nie.Great moering tools,maar ek sal nog steeds eerder my Okumas vat.Dis nie die beste stok nie,maar hy hengel gerieflik met n 1.5 van 60 tot 110m,en vir verder haak ek n P3.
My R400 Blue Marlins hengel baie lekkerder as my R700 Bazookas juis oor dit wat jy nou hier sê. My Bazookas kort nuwe ogies en dan kan ek hul weer uitvat en gaan oefen om beter aftsand te kry met hul met die regte eingerei.
 

CARP1

Sealiner
Die ding is dat die afstand half misleidend is.Hulle se dat hulle met n P6 of P7 en n braid leader gegooi het,maar mense staar hulself blind teen die afstand. Dan koop hulle die stok en is teleurgesteld as hulle nie die afstand kry met ligte weights nie.En ek het niks teen Sensation nie.My vrou hengel net die 10ft Torpedo's,en hulle is fantasties.Ek beveel hulle aan.Maar jy moet realisties wees.Jy gaan nie 100m met hulle hengel nie.Ek dink dat die 10 en 12ft stokke wat jy van die rak af koop 100% reg is.Maar as dit tyd raak vir ernstige moering tools moet jy oe toeknyp,die geld uithaal en na iemand soos Craig toe gaan wat weet wat hulle doen en die stokke vir jou persoonlike behoeftes en specs sal bou.
 

Enigma

Moderator
Technique has a massive amount to do with it. Technique will get great distance and more importantly accuracy.

If you are such a poor golfer that you don't have a handicap but you are a powerhouse and I give you Tiger Wood's golf clubs you will not hit a ball nearly as far as he can because he has the technique with the right amount of power and you only have power.

I have however had many anglers coming to me asking to buy new rods to help them cast further and on investigation find they have the right tackle already so I then invite them to a sport field and we take them to a field and we cast.

Often I see the technique is correct but they're casting at 40-60% of what the rod can handle so many leave without me building a new rod but with instruction to add power or to take a Gym membership to get more power to cast.

This thread is about a range casting rod........so this is about a rod that can handle the weights and the power and that will cast a bait to where it needs to be and that is a very different rod to a fishing rod!!!!!!!!

This past league my partner just got no distance and with his P4 was stil 30m short of my M1.5 so I took out the Skycaster 15' with a 110gr weight and 0.16mm line and made him use that rod, he made 3 casts with it in the last hour and he caught 2 fish with the 1 rod and nothing on his other rods all day.

As I said earlier in the thread, these are Expensive rods for casting and not for fishing. They are expensive and seldom used but when used they MAKE the DIFFERENCE.

Not a rod for the social / recreational angler. If you are a competitve angler aiming at higher honours you need 2 x ultimate casting weapons, irrespective of what brand and model or weight or price.

You NEED rods that on an SA, League, Trials inter-provincial, where the fish are beyond any normal range you can with absolute confidence take the rod on light line, put on a 110gr weight with small bol and a 0.40mm leader take a run up and chuck the lead over the horizon.

Nothing worse /better than what I experienced in my first Central Gauteng Trials in Koppies dam. 30 anglers in my block, myself and Spikes Joubert with 16' Graphites casting plain 110gr leads to distances that you could only see a ripple when they hit the water. We both got 20+ fish (I pipped him on weight) and in the group of 24 (at trials) in our block only 1 other angler had more than 1 fish and the majority blanked.

It was one of 2 times I used those rods that year and so I can go on and on and on.

We must not make the mistake of comparing the general purpose fishing rod with a casting tool here. There are however very few rods that can get the distance that the G2 -13' can and remain a good fishing rod except maybe the Tribal LC 13' 3.5lbs

Not a common rod on shop shelves and the commecial builds are around R200 cheaper than a custom but if you don't get it 100% right with the cast you're going to get a lot of leader cast off's especially when power casting.

As for the advertised tests. I've been to some of these tests and participated in them and make no mistake the guys th\doing the casting are guys like an Ernie Els of golf, they can make those rods do those distances, without doubt and with the weights stated but as I said unless you have all the skills, technique and power these guys have you won't get there just as you will not hit a golf ball consistantly as far as Ernie should you get the opportunity to use his clubs (that's if you were not driving similar distances with sub standard gear before hand)
 

CARP1

Sealiner
I hear you,Craig.In the article I read about the test on the Rockets,they also had photo's of the guys in action.They are allowed to cast.They also have the technique.You can see in the pics how the rods are loaded.And Im willing to bet money that they dont cast a rod once a month.On average,how many days a month do you fish,and for how long have you fished competatively?
 

Enigma

Moderator
I know one of the testers in those articles, Sarel Bosshoff he's been fishing in the GN Senior sides for as long as I've known him and he can to put it simply, Moer 'n Stok

He fishes at least 6 days a month, every month and is renowned for his casting

Myself. I started fishing in the Cape in Rock and surf and later Boland and I soon learned that if I wanted to catch fish I had to learn to cast and so i learnt with aPen 500 and a Pen 49A

Then i learnt with a Frinder till I could cast a 1oz ball sinker the length of a rugby field with a a 7' rod and 8lbs line with no leader

I taught myself from day 1 how to cast and new if I wanted to consistently catch fish I had to be able to cast to where they are when fishing is tough

Then in 1993 in the Far North with my work in the Army I began river fishing and took to it quite well and I decided to fish competitive freshwater so I got the tackle and learnt how to cast 140m with a 16' fiberglas rod

It all progressed from there and since then I have achieved 25 Provincial A caps in 3 different freshwater disciplines and 2 Provincial Champs medals, and 5 SA Champs medals (as Team member or Individual)

I can say without a shadow of a doubt that the ability to cast consistently to where the fish are has in at least 30% of my fishing meant the difference in making it into a provincial or national side and this past SA's where I won the SA's the ability to outcast the opposition with a rod that still allowed me to land all the fish I hooked was the absolute difference.

I went practice casting 4 times a week for a month before the nationals where all I practiced was maximum distance on a straight line using my std weights M1, M1.5 and P4

I was once at an Angling clinic where someone asked Jumbo to teach him to fish like he (Jumbo) does and all he said to him was' with pleasure, but first go learn to cast and then I'll teach you to fish. He did and is now a permanent fixture in our Provincial A side.
 
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