Rods for casting long range
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PI, the only stupid question is the question that isn't asked.
The backbone we are referring to is the ability of the rod to pull a heavy weight or cast a large bait.
It's not something that can be pointed out but something you can feel
Some rods seem quite stiff and nice but as you pull it will just keep bending and bending all the way into the handle whereas some will at first be soft and as you pull the tip will bend and bend then start bending into the mid section and then seem to stop as the rod loads.
At this point you can feel the difference in construction and it immediately becomes apparent that this rod although it has a tip as soft as the one that bends all the way into the handle has a much greater ability to power cast or pull with heavier tackle, this is the backbone we are referring to.
The backbone we are referring to is the ability of the rod to pull a heavy weight or cast a large bait.
It's not something that can be pointed out but something you can feel
Some rods seem quite stiff and nice but as you pull it will just keep bending and bending all the way into the handle whereas some will at first be soft and as you pull the tip will bend and bend then start bending into the mid section and then seem to stop as the rod loads.
At this point you can feel the difference in construction and it immediately becomes apparent that this rod although it has a tip as soft as the one that bends all the way into the handle has a much greater ability to power cast or pull with heavier tackle, this is the backbone we are referring to.
Brakkanjan
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Teen die tyd dat ek gespaar het om sulke nice stokke te kan koop is hulle ook al laaaaaankal outdated.
Lekker vang manne!!
Lekker vang manne!!
Naruto ek het gister na my vriend se Raging Bull gekyk en die TC is 3.7lb, veels te styf in my opinie. Ek weet nie of daar van hulle is wat se TC laer is nie. Ek sal die prys ook in ag neem want hulle kos R1300 vir 'n 13ft, dan koop ek eerder Shimanos vir daai prys.
Wat is die prys van die Shimano tribals?
Wat is die prys van die Shimano tribals?
Red_Shark_10
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christodeb
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HennieB wrote:
Die tribal B's is in die omgewing van R1500 tot R2000 per stok. Ek sal nie die 12t aanbeveel nie tensy jy spesie met hul gaan hengel en 'n stywe stok verkies. Die 13ft is baie goed, maar die enigste verskil in performance tussen die 13ft 3.5lb beastmaster en die tribal is die gewigs verskil.
Die tribal is aansienlik ligter en lekkerder om mee te hengel. Wat gooi afstand betref is die tribal so 5m verder as die beastmaster. My keuse bly die beastmaster omdat dit die beste waarde vir geld vs performance stok op die mark is.
Die tribal B's is in die omgewing van R1500 tot R2000 per stok. Ek sal nie die 12t aanbeveel nie tensy jy spesie met hul gaan hengel en 'n stywe stok verkies. Die 13ft is baie goed, maar die enigste verskil in performance tussen die 13ft 3.5lb beastmaster en die tribal is die gewigs verskil.
Die tribal is aansienlik ligter en lekkerder om mee te hengel. Wat gooi afstand betref is die tribal so 5m verder as die beastmaster. My keuse bly die beastmaster omdat dit die beste waarde vir geld vs performance stok op die mark is.
The newest Tribals that some of the top guys are fishing with are even stiffer and will set you back about R3400 a rod (for that reason they will probably not be commercially available in RSA) Plus when you get it it has to get a new set of guides put on because the factory fitted ones are not suited to casting a mieliebol on a light weight
christodeb
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I assume you are talking about the one's Jumbo and Dewaldt are using? If they are the same, they sell them in Bloem for R1500 to R2000. I can't see why they need other guides, i have used them on a few occasions and they work perfectly well.
No they got new rods in with size 50 guides that are about 80cm from the reel seats.
The rods Dewalt has now (I'm busy replacing the guides with Fuji concept Lo-Rider SIC)are not available commercially. i'll have a look at what the rod specs and series are.
The guide is so close that with the dynamics of a super stiff rod launching the light non-aerodynamic mieliebom and M0 results in a slowing of projectile with constant line release resulting in a bunching of line that even a #50 at short range can't cope with, causing the line to wrap around the guide foot and snap off.
The concept lo-riders were designed for casting non-aerodynamic pjugs with 200lbs leader and 130lbs braid. this would also cause bunching and then not damage to the rod and not broken line so Fuji designed these guides and wind tunnel tested them for the casting techniques that closely resembles our mieliebom casting. this is why they work so well on our rods.
Who knows, maybe it's the same rods you have but this was DeWalt's 2nd set that he got about 3 weeks ago from Rapala/VMC. He brought them round still in the sealed packaging.
The rods Dewalt has now (I'm busy replacing the guides with Fuji concept Lo-Rider SIC)are not available commercially. i'll have a look at what the rod specs and series are.
The guide is so close that with the dynamics of a super stiff rod launching the light non-aerodynamic mieliebom and M0 results in a slowing of projectile with constant line release resulting in a bunching of line that even a #50 at short range can't cope with, causing the line to wrap around the guide foot and snap off.
The concept lo-riders were designed for casting non-aerodynamic pjugs with 200lbs leader and 130lbs braid. this would also cause bunching and then not damage to the rod and not broken line so Fuji designed these guides and wind tunnel tested them for the casting techniques that closely resembles our mieliebom casting. this is why they work so well on our rods.
Who knows, maybe it's the same rods you have but this was DeWalt's 2nd set that he got about 3 weeks ago from Rapala/VMC. He brought them round still in the sealed packaging.
Ek het persoonlik met 'n skpk agter gekom dat ek huidiglik verder met my vrou se 12ft purglas stokke gooi wat 'n goeie backbone het met die effens sagter tip as met my 13ft mach 3. Dit hang sekerlik ook af met watse gewig jy wil hengel. Ek persoonlik sal eerder na die Purglas stokke kyk. Die mach 3 stokke sal ek voortaan net met P2 en swaarder giwigte hengel.
The thing is martin that Purglas you have is not available on the market. it's one of the designs we're working on and are currently improving it, soft tip for light weights and fish playing and absolute power backbone for casting weights up to 4oz (P9 if it existed)
This is why I suggested Narutto wait till I finish with my meeting with Purglas.
The fact is though that a longer more powerful rod is in the majority of circumstances the answer to long range fishing. Takes some practice and change of mindset going over to casting 3 or 4oz weights on 5lbs line for maximum range. Here fishing ability of the rod has absolutely nothing to do with it. it's all got to do with the maximising of distance
During our trials 2008 a distance difference of 5m meant falling into grass and not getting a bite at all and 5m further falling onto gravel and getting fish on, every 4-6 minutes
So at then end of the day that 5m at the end of a 160m cast can make a difference between a winning a zone and literally blanking
This is why I suggested Narutto wait till I finish with my meeting with Purglas.
The fact is though that a longer more powerful rod is in the majority of circumstances the answer to long range fishing. Takes some practice and change of mindset going over to casting 3 or 4oz weights on 5lbs line for maximum range. Here fishing ability of the rod has absolutely nothing to do with it. it's all got to do with the maximising of distance
During our trials 2008 a distance difference of 5m meant falling into grass and not getting a bite at all and 5m further falling onto gravel and getting fish on, every 4-6 minutes
So at then end of the day that 5m at the end of a 160m cast can make a difference between a winning a zone and literally blanking
christodeb
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Enigma wrote:
I'm talking about the tribal B. Both Ulrich and Gp use these rods in std form without any problems. We do however step our leaders so that might be the reason why. I don't like the size 50 guides on the new tribals, but that's just bacause they are so bulky. My tribals are fitted with the low rider guides and they are brilliant!
I'm talking about the tribal B. Both Ulrich and Gp use these rods in std form without any problems. We do however step our leaders so that might be the reason why. I don't like the size 50 guides on the new tribals, but that's just bacause they are so bulky. My tribals are fitted with the low rider guides and they are brilliant!
Had another chat with Dewalt on the rods.
The Gauteng A side had a casting session a week or so back and his results (granted they had light wind assistance) [ Casting with standard fishing tackle wit M0 and Bol)
SuperCast Mach 3 standard buil;d 135m
Tribal TB212325CÂ Max distance gained with standard ie Big Guides 131m
Tribal TB212325CÂ Max distance gained with Lo Riders Guides 137m
Raging Bull 13' 3.5lbs 151m
As you indicated personal choice has a lot to do with it and he doesn't like the Raging Bull as it is to hard for him and he more enjoys the Tribal Long Range 3.25lbs as it powerful and stiff to cast but fishes in his opinion as nice as his Mach 3
His opinion is that if he needs to fish further than 125m then he will use a 1.5as at that range the effect of weight is much less.
His current ultimate distance fishing rod is  his 400/2+2 T53 that I built with lo-riders and even took 5cm of the tip.
Not a nice fishing rod but a casting tool. He finished 5th at the SA's in Klipdrift and caught every fish on those rods. He was measured with a P4 and bol on the rods at a Max of 206 and an average of 192m.Â
The Gauteng A side had a casting session a week or so back and his results (granted they had light wind assistance) [ Casting with standard fishing tackle wit M0 and Bol)
SuperCast Mach 3 standard buil;d 135m
Tribal TB212325CÂ Max distance gained with standard ie Big Guides 131m
Tribal TB212325CÂ Max distance gained with Lo Riders Guides 137m
Raging Bull 13' 3.5lbs 151m
As you indicated personal choice has a lot to do with it and he doesn't like the Raging Bull as it is to hard for him and he more enjoys the Tribal Long Range 3.25lbs as it powerful and stiff to cast but fishes in his opinion as nice as his Mach 3
His opinion is that if he needs to fish further than 125m then he will use a 1.5as at that range the effect of weight is much less.
His current ultimate distance fishing rod is  his 400/2+2 T53 that I built with lo-riders and even took 5cm of the tip.
Not a nice fishing rod but a casting tool. He finished 5th at the SA's in Klipdrift and caught every fish on those rods. He was measured with a P4 and bol on the rods at a Max of 206 and an average of 192m.Â
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The comment, we are competition fishermen and we cannot always have a nice fishing rod, you have to sometimes use a Pole just to get fish on. Trying to fish those extreme ranges with a nice fishing rod is impossible. Rather get fish on and lose a few at extreme range than watch the guys around you losing fish on a Pole while you sit patiently and wait all day for a bite.
If your bait is perfect and not near a fish you will not get a bite and my imperfect bait amongst the fish will have an opportunity to get a bite.
In short Naruto have your all round fishing rod and have 2 x Moering Tools
Me Awa-Shima Prophets reworked to TB2 action with Lo-Riders for all round and comp Carp and 2 x 15' Aquallis Skycaster III for range.
Caught all 8 fish in the Club comp at the Vaal on the 15' and the 6 guys to my left and right ended with 0-3 fish fishing std 12'
The comment, we are competition fishermen and we cannot always have a nice fishing rod, you have to sometimes use a Pole just to get fish on. Trying to fish those extreme ranges with a nice fishing rod is impossible. Rather get fish on and lose a few at extreme range than watch the guys around you losing fish on a Pole while you sit patiently and wait all day for a bite.
If your bait is perfect and not near a fish you will not get a bite and my imperfect bait amongst the fish will have an opportunity to get a bite.
In short Naruto have your all round fishing rod and have 2 x Moering Tools
Me Awa-Shima Prophets reworked to TB2 action with Lo-Riders for all round and comp Carp and 2 x 15' Aquallis Skycaster III for range.
Caught all 8 fish in the Club comp at the Vaal on the 15' and the 6 guys to my left and right ended with 0-3 fish fishing std 12'
Tjaard Coetzee of GN was in last evening to bring his T53's for an overhaul
I had lent him the Alpha R-Evo Overcaster 14' for their Casting League
They have a provincial freshwater accuracy and distance casting league in the winter months and he took top honours for the day with the 14'.
They are issued with feed and a 15gr weight for the league. He got a single best distance of 151m and an average of 146m on his 3 casts.
The average for the day was 122m and he's not a giant, probably 1.76m and 75kg.
The rods use Lo-rider guide tech and are T80 carbon in base and mid section and the tip is T40 with a 40cm solid carbon insert tip that is extremely light in action.
The soft tip is designed for long range bite detection in Euro style tournaments and to prevent hook pulls.
It casts from M1 with Bol to a 6oz with bait (200gr) and is a distance WEAPON (same as my Skycasters)
Not the ideal fishing rod but it will get your bait to the fish when 90% of anglers will blank because of insufficient distance casting.
Hennie Papenfuss uses his for scratching at extreme range in R&S and we have measured casts in Europe at over 220m with the rod 100lbs braid leader and 14lbs fireline
I had lent him the Alpha R-Evo Overcaster 14' for their Casting League
They have a provincial freshwater accuracy and distance casting league in the winter months and he took top honours for the day with the 14'.
They are issued with feed and a 15gr weight for the league. He got a single best distance of 151m and an average of 146m on his 3 casts.
The average for the day was 122m and he's not a giant, probably 1.76m and 75kg.
The rods use Lo-rider guide tech and are T80 carbon in base and mid section and the tip is T40 with a 40cm solid carbon insert tip that is extremely light in action.
The soft tip is designed for long range bite detection in Euro style tournaments and to prevent hook pulls.
It casts from M1 with Bol to a 6oz with bait (200gr) and is a distance WEAPON (same as my Skycasters)
Not the ideal fishing rod but it will get your bait to the fish when 90% of anglers will blank because of insufficient distance casting.
Hennie Papenfuss uses his for scratching at extreme range in R&S and we have measured casts in Europe at over 220m with the rod 100lbs braid leader and 14lbs fireline
burned off
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Dankie vir al jou raad enigma,my probleem is dat ek nooit die stokke wat ek wil he kan voel nie en hier in die oos kaap is goeie karpstokke skaars en ek dink die manne vat advantage van ons wat goed spesiaal moet order,my quote van billimoria gister was R1500 vir n beastmaster maar dit klink te duur n T53 blank is R1700,ek het gilfox stokke maar dit was rerig geldmors so ek hoop ek kry n antwoord ieweers op sealine oor wat om te kry