What is the distances achieved with 14ft rods and

Reefman

Sealiner
Nick, do you use a leader? If not, that's your problem - that and the fact that you are probably jerking the rod tip through.

Studies have shown that the most strain your line will ever take, is on the cast. At that critical moment, just before release, the force being placed on your line is enormous and strains the line to it’s limit, especially when “giving it horns”. The line digs into the line on the spool and also stretches to critical proportions as it leaves the spool during the cast. You have often heard a loud crack as an angler casts and the line snaps. The line nearly always breaks close to the spool as the monofilament cannot stretch any further than what its unique properties allow. How often have you heard someone shout “bye-bye sinker?”  That’s because the line cannot take the shock, stretch and strain of casting. This strain put on the line when casting certainly deforms the line to some extent – and this deformation often leads to failure when further pressure is placed on that line eg: a nice hook-up.

Casting distance
So some bright spark thought about using a “leader”. A leader attached to the main line and wound at least twice around the spool of the reel, is designed to take the full force of the cast. This means that the mainline will be completely unaffected and undamaged by the force of every cast. Obviously, this short length of leader will have a greater diameter and breaking strain than the mainline and will therefore be able to handle the shock of the cast with minimal or no damage.

Use of a leader now allows anglers to cast much harder, and with more confidence than they used to, with the result that average casting distances have increased greatly – now allowing baits to be placed in much deeper water, much further out. The advent of leaders along with the modern day non-return slides are allowing really big baits to be placed within reach of really big fish, with the result that the inedible angling records have had to be re-written!

My 2c.
 

Reefman

Sealiner
Nick, where is the line breaking? Is it at the knot? Knot to sinker, knot to leader? Or is it on the mainline...

What type/size line u using mainline/leader? What knot? What size sinker? What rod?

 
 

Nick

Senior Member
Im using a Custom made 13ft rod, not sure of make) its very stiff tho. My line is 16kg kingfisher giant abrasion with a 100lb leader. Its breaking right at the sinker snoot at the sinker. I use 12kg line for my sinker snoot. And thats only with a 5oz "duckfoot" sinker.
 

Reefman

Sealiner
Ok Nick.. sounds like your problem is the rod... The stiffer the rod, the more force is needed to "load" it (to feel the weight of the sinker on it) - so it probably means you're using too much force in your swing. It sounds as if your rig is "unbalanced". Often with stiff rods, the angler actually needs to jerk the tip in order to load it, with the result that the force applied is too great.

A normal cast should be without real force - just a smooth swing. It's the rod that does the casting and it needs to be loaded properly in order to become "balanced" with the angler. I'm sure this is not what you want to hear, but I'm afraid I think it's your problem.

(BTW have you checked the sinker line that you're using? It's not damaged or frayed?)
 

Nick

Senior Member
Sadly I think you are right. I remember casting with a Assassin beachmaster and it was not a problem. On the bright side. Im getting one myself.

Thanks

Nick
 

farhaad

New member
Hi Nick, had that problem of the sinker flying off to. Did u try using thin string to the sinker? Most tackle shops sell it. You first attach the string to the sinker, then the string to the gut. Works for me.
 

Riymos

Banned
Howzit Guy's

You know this to me is very educational as i myself seem to be having alot of trouble getting good distance out of my HMG Blade.What advise do you guy's have with regards to getting distance with the HMG.

I found that it is so stiff you can hardly generate enough bend in the rod to get the maxium action and force needed to get the distance.Is it possible to use the pendulum cast with this HMG rod and if so are there any ajustments that one has to make in order to get the best cast out of the rod.

Any advise that one could give would be handy as i am strugling with getting good distance and have even come to the point of want to stop using the HMG and stick to the standard Blade.

Cheers Riymos
 

Pylstert

Sealiner
Hi Nick

Using a 12kg line to attach your sinker is way to lite, use a 20-25kg line unless you are using a floppy carp rod. Half the reason why you use a leader is to prevent your reel line from snapping when you cast, but a 100lbs leader is a bit excessive - 60-80lbs should be ample. You are going to rip the eyes of your rod. Why don't you use a 6-8 ounce sinker if your rod is that stif? Stif shorter rods usually cast further than long floppy rods. Check out the new Shimano surf rods, they are absolute brutes and only 12ft long.

Cheers

Leon
 

Pylstert

Sealiner
 Hi Riymos

It does not matter how stiff your rod is, the competition casters use extremely stiff rods and they all use the pendulum cast or a variation of it. It is the best way to load a stiff rod. I could nver load the heavy tip on my Exage 1468 properly until I started using a pendulum cast. It is because your rod goes through such a long arc that there is time to load the stiff rod fully and you have more time to put power in with the longer sweep that the rod goes through. Once you have seen it done it is easy.

Cheers

Leon
 

scorpion

Senior Member
you got to be brutal with that rod, strength is key with that rod. use 9oz sinkers and big baits it was not made for anything else but throwing big baits and dragging big fish. i feel the std blade can be a bit physical to. i dont like using it off the reefs because i cant use the rod for max distance. on the surf however, i love it.
 

Blade

Senior Member
Hy Rymos


Something that has helped me is changing the pendulum version from teh one i use with a lighter stick. I bring the blade slightly more sideways, but not flat. with a longer arc starting from behind my back.
So it goes something like this for throwing for a right hander . Swing the sinker away from you, then let it come back to you(not straight to u. but to yr right side, then swing the singer awy from you towards the right with your back facing the sea. The rod starts getting loaded at this stage,The arc starts fromfar right and continues as you swivel facing sea wards. i may have confused you but give it a shot
 

Nick

Senior Member
I dont want to use any line thicker than my main line for my sinker in case of getting stuck. My leader works well for me.  Im getting my assassin on friday so Im going to give it a bash.
 

Riymos

Banned
Howzit Blade

I have just been watching a few of the videos on You Tube ad i see what you are saying.I just noticed though that those rods they use seem to load alot quicker and alot more then the HMG.You know i feel like i am just not powerfull enough to really work this rod.Would you sugest maybe shortening the rod in order to give me a bit more controll when loading.

I would consider naything right now i mean to me getting 100 or 120 metere out of a rod which should be giiving you at least 170 metres well im not sure bru.You know with my Assassin Light and SL30 i get at least 130 140 with a 4ounce sinker so i have no idea what im doing wrong.I have decided to go to the park and practce practice practice until i get it.

Tell me when it comes to the shortening what do you guy's think.

Cheers Riymos.

PS.With the normal graphite rods i dont seem to have the same problem loading the rod and getting the distance it just seems to be the HMG that worries me.

 
 

Blade

Senior Member
hi Rymos. You hit it on the head.PRACTICE AND PRACTICE AND PRACICE. continue on the surf.its very different in the dam or park. I wouldnt really shorten the rod . i think its already a 13 ft 7 or 8. Plus it will stiffer
 

Riymos

Banned
Ok will do

I just feel that y shortening it i will get better control you know.But i will first practice again.You know something else when im on a pier like North Pier etc i have no problems because i have leverige when casting it's only from the beach that i have a problem with the HMG.

Thanks Buddie..

Cheers Riymos
 

Reefman

Sealiner
Riymos... I've seen even Springbok anglers sukkel like mad with the HMG Blade... but when they get it right, flip, it's an awesome sight! Scorpion was absolutely right when he said you need to get brutal with that rod. You need to take the rod into control - it WANTS to be loaded! Put 8oz or even 10oz on it, and WIND it, I mean moer it as hard as you can! Thats the only way I can desccribe these Boks throwing with an Assassin HMG Blade. If you can picture one of the athletes throwing a shot put, screams and all, thats what it's like, bending backwards at the knee, tilting the rod back to swing the sinker, and then WHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, they swivel around their whole body, with force and wind it into the blue yonder...

Next time I see them, I'm taking my Video cam with... you okes won't believe how these okes cast a Blade!
 

Pylstert

Sealiner
 Hi Nick

You will keep breaking your sinker off with line that thin. Such a thin line just can not handle heavy sinkers and stiff graphite rods. The reality is when you want to cast far you are going to have to risk breaking it all off. You can make a granny not in your sinker line it will help it to break easier if you do get stuck, it wont break on a smooth cast. You have to use a leader with two or three winds on the real with your trace and sinker about 2.5 -3m from the rod tip and a thick sinker line. Check out the pro casting sights, I think they actually recommend 10lbs line for every ounce of sinker.

Cheers

Leon
 

mumro

Senior Member
howzit nick

just my 5 bob.....try using a split ring before your sinker.Attach your line to the spit ring,then attach the split ring directly to your sinker...the ring helps with the shock:cool:
 

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MickJack

Senior Member
Nick

You can stay with the lighter line for the sinker snood, just take that line out of the equation by using sinkers with a clip on them. If throwing sinker only to slide a bait, hook the ring at the top of the sinker snood to the clip on the sinker. If throwing a bait, set the trace up so that the bite trace to the hook is slightly shorter than the sinker line and hook the baited hook to the clip on the sinker. The sinker line is then totally taken out of the cast strain, and will unhook when the sinker hits the bottom!

Or you can try a different knot on the sinker.

I'll try (sometime soon) and draw a knot I've been using on sinkers for years (learnt from my Dad who used to use it for hammerhead shark fishing in the merchant navy when he was a kid). It is very strong inside the knot, and goes twice around the sinker eye, so doubles the strain it can take.

Cheers
 
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