Treknetters, False Bay, Muizenberg

Walt

Sealiner
[color=#006600]Marthin[/color] wrote:
On a more serious note to myself. Why did the water look like an oilspill on Sunday?
I reckon Diesel 'oilspin' is from SA Navy ships,as I worked in Simonstown Yard on Work Projects!Just like to add that what you did is what Meag at SASC has been trying to get together. Anglers actually taking part in monitoring Treknetters catches.Naartjie apparently is the only treknetter licence holder not willing to comply with this request to incorporate anglers as monitors.I've contacted Meag and offerred SASC my services & waiting to hear from them.The real worry is that when they trek now,it seems non stop,all day,almost as if they're concerned about False Bay Closure & trying to throw in as much trekking as possible in a day. I hear all the reasons why treknetting should be allowed,but how can one guarantee no undersized or protected fish,as treknetting is a gamble & you can't save a lot of fish owing to damages incurred such as squashing fish under tons of other fish. 
 

Nightfox

Senior Member
yip very sickening to say the least! buggering up the whole food chain this treknetters. this practice shoulda been left behind way back with bamboo fishing, penn 49's and bloodline - this method of fishing is sterilizing the waters around the cape - surely there must be a lesser destructive way for these guys to make a living out of the sea e.g whale watching tours - common ffs stop it!!
 

Evan

New member
Easy to say that Nightfox, as most of us around on Sealine has got jobs and get paid per week or month. When these fish runs has past its back to the hard-knock-lives for those trekkers...
 

bassman

New member
Agreed- Trek netters klapped 2 full bakkie loads of yellowtail in fishoek 2 weeks back. Estimated at 2 tons of fish...
 
:XI hate treknetters!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is so sad to see!!! Loomis caught this nice Duckbill Friday night which was re-leased after measuring 1.60 meters.
 

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Marthin

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[color=#006600]sparticus[/color] wrote:
[color=#006600]Marthin[/color] wrote:
On a more serious note to myself. Why did the water look like an oilspill on Sunday?

 

All due respect on a much more serious note the pic above contridicts your report , My friend reckons that what you said is not what he has seen , he also took a pic for all us to see what the trekkers do to Rays. Such a magnificent animal killed for what ? They rather keep the effen Maasbanker and release the ray the maa se bankers !!! 

Sparticus i'll highlight in bold what i said in my post.  Your friend doesnt contradict what i said, he verified it!!! Read again....

Hi,

often i've read posts regarding the treknetters.  today after fishing with Baldrick they were busy pulling out a net near palletjies.  I was under the impression these were unscrupelous harvesters, taking everything in the net.

All undersize kob were released.  An elderly chap picked up three injured ones that were still reviving and put them into a bag.  The treknetters quickly told him the odds if he took one more struggling fish that has been released!!!

A big steenbras was caught in the net.  The moment it was visible it was taken with great care by a scruffy looking chap and released, swam off like a train!!

All non edibles, blue ray, eagle/bull ray, some lesser sandies, and 2 normal brown rays were taken.  All under a 30cm wingspan safely released.  3 electric skates?? were also released, and gave 3 innocent helpers a shocking experience.

All small maasbanker that were fit were released, and the dying were handed out to eager fishermen as bait.

One thing bothered me, ALL ELF were taken.  there was about 14 in the net, different sizes and they were all taken and sold like hotcakes.

A nice catch of BIG mullet was taken.

3 Nice Belman

2 Very big strepies

About 4 size kob.

Except for the ELF, i have to say the guys tried their best to get undersize and illegal fish back in the water chop chop like, and didnt stop at idle threats if "innocent bystanders" tried to scale a fish that should be released.  Now i havent seen what happens if they get a school of tail or kob, and the slaughter it might be, but today was an eyeopener to me.


So, again they released the small ones.

I have never defended the treknetters.  I simply said what i saw on sunday.  I can say this, bar the non eds, treknetting doesnt come close to what the guys are doing with nets in the bergriver catching mullet and killing thousands of undersize elf.

Also i'm tired of people being hypocritical, and also hitting out at something and not the other, starting with the beach driving... (Sparticus this isnt meant at you just in general)

1.  beach driving is illegal, keeping undersize elf for live/dead bait is illegal, buying any bait from any person that doesnt have a permit to sell such bait is illegal, pumping more prawn than allowed is illegal, keeping undersize fish is illegal and the list goes on.  Sometimes there is a fuss made of these things, but more often than not some things are accepted as okish.  Any of the above is just as illegal as the guy that took out boats full of red steenbras.  Which has the bigger effect is another topic.  But as the big man said 2000 years ago.... "haal die balk uit jou oog voordat jy die splinter uit n ander s'n wil haal.  If you are not doing ANY of the above or any other, by all means stand on the soap box and scream as loud as you can

2.  If skates and killing thereof is such a big issue for anyone, i suggest boycotting Checkers/Pick&pay etc because of the skate wings they are selling.  These are the people creating the market.  I had never seen skate wings for sale until i moved to cape town. (naive boy from the platteland)

3.  I cannot answer for the amount of fish taken in the last 2 weeks, neither do i want to, i merely was impressed by what i saw on sunday.  By all accounts i might have just seen a good day out of thousands of shitty ones.

4.  Walt it wasnt oil, but looked like it, downright filthy water.

5.  Perhaps i should have posted my question regarding the elf a bit clearer.  I saw that all elf were taken.  I hoped to get a legal point of view or size limit for commercial fishing of elf or bycatch etc.

6.  I would like to know how much non eds they take out.  Again if i ever visit the factory in Gordon's Bay again where i saw the shark meat, i'll get some pics.  I'm telling you what the treknetters took is nothing.  Not even a blip.  Commercial shark fishing is taking 3 - 4, 1mX1mX1m containers FULL TO THE TOP with shark fillets DAILY, and this is one factory out of false bay, right under your noses.

On one afternoon i saw more dead small bronzies and smooth hounds than i promise you a whole season of all catches of both species from the coast in False Bay & Langebaan combined.

Yes killing the duckbill for a buck is extreme.  But in my opinion we have bigger immediate problems.

A ray i took a picture of on sunday.  Sorry the pic was a bit small.
 

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Marthin

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Yip mike from what i saw on sunday everything under about 30cm is released as far as the rays. The guitarfish/banjo/sandshark all went in the bucket, but were all the normal size u get around there.

There was only one decent size blue ray in the net sunday that went into the bucket, didnt see any little ones, but a lot of little brown rays, no blue markings i could see.
 

Marthin

Sealiner
Again can't say what happened on saturday. Everything non edible over 30cm went in the bucket tho.
 

Marthin

Sealiner
U can swim a smooth hound, or slide a small bronzie head like tuna did, but you can't kill a duckbill??????

Do not be hypcritical.
 

Marthin

Sealiner
Nah i'm just saying nobody was yelling at tuna for sliding a bronzie to catch a bigger bronzie or if trophy swims a smooth hound or for that matter if Wesley Rapson swims a ray about the size of the one in the pic to try and get a monster zambi.
 

Marthin

Sealiner
the general consensus seems to be if you use it as bait, it's fine whatever you do.... if you use it for anything else.... MURDERER!!!!!!!!!!! Burn the bastid at the stake.
 

jb2

Sealiner
[color=#006600]sEe MoNsTeR[/color] wrote:
[color=#006600]Ocean Hunter[/color] wrote:
Believe it or not some people actually buy it to eat?
they use it for crayfish bait!!!!!!!!! bunch of c....

It is good cray bait but they do eat it.

It is fried and  pickled. The "edibles" are sold and the ray is cut to

It is also used for shark bait in the recreational shark fishery. They sell some skate and even big sandshark to recreationals.

I don't like rays to be killed. That is just because I am a snob and I don't eat ray.

The trekkers are amateurs at ray killing. They are silly enough to release the small ones.

I think the record for killing flatfish was at a rock & surf competition in Mossel Bay where 16 tons of sharks and rays were killed in over the duration of the competion.

I must try to find the photos.

Marthin's point is a good one: "Julle maak die pap te dik".

The ray that is always on the supermarket fish counter is no different.

 
 

gerritp

Senior Member
[color=#006600]Marthin[/color] wrote:
Nah i'm just saying nobody was yelling at tuna for sliding a bronzie to catch a bigger bronzie or if trophy swims a smooth hound or for that matter if Wesley Rapson swims a ray about the size of the one in the pic to try and get a monster zambi.

I for one do use under size elf for life bait or cut bait. The way i see it if that under size elf is used as bait, its 1 less elf the big cob need to hunt for the day, nothing is taken out.

As to Tuna and Trophey's swim baits, that big shark they are targeting would have hunted down some other small shark and ate it, nothing is wasted or taken out.

The worst we are doing is to spoil the big sharks and make life a bit easier, i do not beleive we do the eco system any harm.

Why is it when someone take a nice size cob home its all well, but as soon as the rays and sharks are taken from the ocean there is a big fuss about it.

I think some okes should call the poor sharks and rays "sea kittens", how in the name of all that is holy would they hurt them.
 

kraken

Senior Member
Marthin, you are quite correct in pointing out the double standards arising from this particular controvesy.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; we as recreationals have a lot to answer for and the majority feel absolutely bugger all for law. It really is a shame.

Going back to your statement about the water conditions, what you saw was in all probability a particulary dense concentration of plankton water.

This is not uncommon and is really only a extreme example of the brown water seen along that stretch of coast.

This is an organism which clings to sand particles and at certain times will bloom and rise to the surface giving the characteristic golden brown colour. Haarders love this water due to the fact that it is rich in the nutrients on which they can feed.

Many people still believe this is polluted water and no doubt will continue to do so. It is anything but.
 

jb2

Sealiner
[color=#006600]Marthin[/color] wrote:
I know about that comp in Mosselbay as well.

I try to wrap my head around the number of individual animals involved in 16 tons of non eds. Not all of it was big biscuit/ diamond rays.

It was just a question of dragging ashore anything that might add points.

Keep in mind that they would not have bled the fish or gutted it until weigh in cos they would have lost points or been disqualified so the fish was left largely inedible.

I can't remember the details but I think that it was trucked off to the city dump afterwards.

When I try and contrast that with the guys who cut a piece of ray steak for a meal it puts it in perspective.

Having said that I am still moved by the sight of a dead or beached fish. I have ahd very intense experiences while diving with bull rays at Buffels. They really do look like they are flying and their changes in direction are so subtle and effortless that one can only stand in awe.

Having said that, nothing can compare to a shoal of yellowtail suspended in clear water.  The perceptble signs of power and aggression in their flanks contrasted with the caution they display is mindblowing.

 
 

sparticus

Senior Member
Marthin , thanks fo rthe reply. I still maintain , a little bit of a problem is still a problem but I see where u coming from , the only thing I want to highlight is , some things might be illegal but is it harmful ? Thanks once again
 
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