Shimano TN & TOR Anti-reverse Failure Hiya Gu

[saber]

Angus wrote:

Angus wrote:

Where in Cape Town is the best place to get replacement AR Bearing and Sleeves(inner tube) for Torium 20/20?

Got a AR Bearing from Goodwood Sports for R190!

The inner sleeve was R25

Ebay may have been cheaper

yip, that sounds about right for cape town!! can you get the inner tube from them as well? we serviced my friend saltist and the inner on the reel has a bit of wear on it. everyting else is fine though

 

[Angus]

I got the inner tube for my Torium...give them a call...they should have for the Saltist as well.

 

[Johan S]

This topic is exactly the reason why I purchased the Trinidad DC rather than the Saltiga hyper. One set of engineers decided to address the anti-reverse problem (common to both Shimano and Daiwa), another decided to increase the drag some more. It just doesn't make sense to me.

And ever since I've been give a LOT of lip about purchasing a reel for people that cannot cast, which in my case holds some truth. :lol:

 

[alantani]

perhaps the most impressive thing to me was the civility of this discussion. in the states, this type of discussion would have degenerated quickly to profanity and threats of physical violence. boards such as this are indeed rare. my compliments to you all........

 

[Reefman]

alantani wrote:

perhaps the most impressive thing to me was the civility of this discussion. in the states, this type of discussion would have degenerated quickly to profanity and threats of physical violence. boards such as this are indeed rare. my compliments to you all........

Sealine members.... take a bow!
Thanks for the nice compliment Alan!
Coming from a man of your stature it is sincerely appreciated!!



 

 

[Trophy]

Hiya Alantani,

I have got an idea for another thread where your help would be appreciated. Should finish the post tomorrow.

I will PM you the link once it's up and would appreciate your input.

Regards,

T

 

[mudcrab]

Some interesting info on anti reverse bearings can be found here www.tackletour.com/articlebearings301pg4.html

 

[BTTB]

Angus wrote:

Would also loike to know as I would like to replace my TN 30 anti-reverse bearing and get a spare.

By the way...Keith has his own springs manufactured for the pawl and also has thicker reverse pawls and ratchets(cog)made which he installs.

Before I even used my Torium 20's from new they were taken to Keith in their boxes for the full conversion and pre-service and so far so good and I spin a lot.
From what I understand the conversion entails grinding a small part of the shaft, changing the pawl for a thicker one and removing one or two bushes and replacing them with bearings. I am not sure what drag washers Keith installs, it could just be the originals?
My Torium has a gentle clicking sound. Once a year they get serviced.

One thing I would have liked was more thumb space on the side of the Torium spool, one of the reasons I have not gone out of my way for the Trinidad A as there is not enough thumb room in my opinion for constant spinning. The other feature of the Torium that could have been improved on was the space between a spool full of line and the reel's outer casing which also has a sharp edge to it and causes unnecessary line damage when spinning, something that was taken into account on the Penn Fathom in a meaningful way.

Great thread, although discussed in part in other posts, yet useful to have all the information in one place.

 

[Abaddon]

Anyone got contact for these ARB bearings?

 

[Miyagi]

The AR failure of Toriums & Gold Nugget Trini's has very little to do with the condition or age of the reel. I noticed that it very seldom happened to older anglers, and that they tend to pull, then drop & wind, rather than using the reel as a winch. When the reel is "winched" with the drag +- locked, the AR bearing will hold as long as the handle is kept under tension, preventing the pawl from engaging. When the handle is released, the bearing slips, & the pawl MAY miss the first ratchet tooth. This will happen with a brand new unused reel out of the box. My solution was the drag clicker pin spring conversion. If you can't find a clicker spring, a section cut from a Bic lighter flint spring works as well.

 

[Enigma]

Most tackle shops supply them Craig

TTD had some in stock when I last checked

Tha saltist/saltiga one fits in the Trini/tor 30 and 50 and is half the price of the shimano one (same spec)

Miyagi, that's hit it right on the head.....very good explanation.

 

[flippy]

nicely explained miyagi.. nice idea too :fishnt(((up((

 

[Craig Van der Poll]

Enigma wrote:

Most tackle shops supply them Craig

TTD had some in stock when I last checked

Tha saltist/saltiga one fits in the Trini/tor 30 and 50 and is half the price of the shimano one (same spec)

Miyagi, that's hit it right on the head.....very good explanation.

NEVER buy them from a tackle shop.......Buy them from Bearing Man Group or any other bearing supplier. It's called a clutch bearing. Take in your sample. Keep your inner sleeve though as the one supplied may not be cut exactly the same as the factory supplied one.

 

[Trophy]

Craig Van der Poll wrote:

Enigma wrote:

Most tackle shops supply them Craig

TTD had some in stock when I last checked

Tha saltist/saltiga one fits in the Trini/tor 30 and 50 and is half the price of the shimano one (same spec)

Miyagi, that's hit it right on the head.....very good explanation.

NEVER buy them from a tackle shop.......Buy them from Bearing Man Group or any other bearing supplier. It's called a clutch bearing. Take in your sample. Keep your inner sleeve though as the one supplied may not be cut exactly the same as the factory supplied one.

Hiya Craig,

'NEVER'is quite a statement? Why would you recon they can never be purchased from a tackle shop?

 

[Craig Van der Poll]

Because it would be more expensive than a bearing retailer.....

 

[Craig Van der Poll]

Unless you are willing to sell it on at zero mark-up?

 

[Craig Van der Poll]

There are certain spares one has to buy from tackle stores that stock reel spares. Bearings are not one of them. It's like going down to your local VW dealership to buy spark plugs for your moms 1990 1.3 Citi Golf.....you can, but it's not a very good idea as a motor spares shop would be much cheaper. Buy your bearings at BMG or any other reputable bearing supplier, they will sell you 1 bearing.

 

[Enigma]

The fact is that Kingfishers bearings are cheaper than those supplier by any Bearing Group as they import direct and stock specialty swivels for reels.

How do I know this....... I service a heap of reels every month and when buying from any of 5 bearing company's in Gauteng I pay double what I pay for Kingfisher bearings and the complete unit Roller Clutch Bearing at R69 from Kingfisher is cheaper than any supplied in the market for an 8kg Roller Clutch Stainless Steel Bearing from any supplier here.

 

[Trophy]

Craig Van der Poll wrote:

Unless you are willing to sell it on at zero mark-up?

Guess that was a loaded question from my side Craig.

Depends on what tackle shop you visit...

Well sell quality S/Steel bearings for all reels, they range from R20 - R33. Our AR bearings are R80.

50% sourced though a supplier and the other half straight from KingFisher? And the K/Fisher bearings are the R33 ones.

You will find slightly cheaper at Bearing Man, but generally these are a lower grade of S/S and tarnish in the reel. The quality of bearing we sell are all between R40 - R80 at Bearing Man and the likes.

Guess it comes down to the tackle shop and their margins. We try to run a honest 30% NP and provide fair prices. This way we sell Qty rather than margin.

Never say never...

 

[Craig Van der Poll]

Enigma wrote:

The fact is that Kingfishers bearings are cheaper than those supplier by any Bearing Group as they import direct and stock specialty swivels for reels.

How do I know this....... I service a heap of reels every month and when buying from any of 5 bearing company's in Gauteng I pay double what I pay for Kingfisher bearings and the complete unit Roller Clutch Bearing at R69 from Kingfisher is cheaper than any supplied in the market for an 8kg Roller Clutch Stainless Steel Bearing from any supplier here.

Sorry I disagree, I got them for cheaper than that and also S/S! Also quality of the bearing comes into question when you talk about a standard ball bearing and roller bearing. Roller clutch bearings are only supplied by very few folks.