If you are a serious big carp angler, fishing the
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Critter, I dont have anything at all against "pappies", and have some good friends that fish that style too. I just dont like keepnets, LOL... and those that carry on like hooligans...
I am always willing to share info, with likeminded ppl offcourse, hehehe....i try and educate ppl wherever I go fishing...sometimes it works, other times i get told to "piss-off"...hehe...but dont shoot me if I am a little hesitant to give ppl very detailed info on big carp locations... it is not because I'm stuck-up, but because i want to protect those biggies....
As you said above, some ppl will misuse the info....
I prefer to educate slowly and carefully.
No I do like this forum. After being part of the "other" forum for years now, and being through all the politics and fights on there, I welcome a forum where things are abit more lighthearted!
I am always willing to share info, with likeminded ppl offcourse, hehehe....i try and educate ppl wherever I go fishing...sometimes it works, other times i get told to "piss-off"...hehe...but dont shoot me if I am a little hesitant to give ppl very detailed info on big carp locations... it is not because I'm stuck-up, but because i want to protect those biggies....
As you said above, some ppl will misuse the info....
I prefer to educate slowly and carefully.
No I do like this forum. After being part of the "other" forum for years now, and being through all the politics and fights on there, I welcome a forum where things are abit more lighthearted!
Andre Laas
Sealiner
Thanx for the mana guys!!!!!
[color=#006600]Critter[/color] wrote:
I just did, blow a gasket I mean. And it was a DKW cylinder head gasket at that. Critter, I know we don't see eye to eye but really...!!!
[color=#006600]BigCarpio[/color] wrote:
And whereas educating others is commendable, any self-appointed educator has a moral obligation to ensure their teachings are not influenced by personal perceptions such as that of century-old harmonious coexistence of indigenous and invasive alien species. This unfortunately, does more harm than good and is at the basis of individuals illegally spraeding invasive species and preaching the erroneous dogma that catch and release of invasives is a conservation practise.
Jeepers skrops, and to think I might have been fishing with you at night!
BC, to judge people by one's own standards is a little self-assuming, don't you think? People who eat fish are not necessarily hooligans are they?
And whereas educating others is commendable, any self-appointed educator has a moral obligation to ensure their teachings are not influenced by personal perceptions such as that of century-old harmonious coexistence of indigenous and invasive alien species. This unfortunately, does more harm than good and is at the basis of individuals illegally spraeding invasive species and preaching the erroneous dogma that catch and release of invasives is a conservation practise.
Jeepers skrops, and to think I might have been fishing with you at night!
[color=#006600]GTZA[/color] wrote:
LOL, why GTZA, am I that ugle.............
Remember I charge to spook in a 3 bedroom house, discount for a 1 bedroom.
LOL, why GTZA, am I that ugle.............
Remember I charge to spook in a 3 bedroom house, discount for a 1 bedroom.
Andre Laas
Sealiner
Hi GTZA
(second attempt....first one did not post when SL bombed out)
I agree that using the word conservation and an alien species in the same sentence was pretty stupid. I am not advocating the conservation of any invasive species!
Fact is that we will never be able to get rid of the carp in our freshwater systems. By educating anglers form all backgrounds about the importance of managing fish stocks, we can at least try and make some difference. I am a keen angler, that loves to catch carp, and especially to outwit the bigger carps. What I was trying to say was that I am all for the harvesting of the hoardes of small and medium carps in any of our dams, but, I would also like to see that the really big carp be spared. I know this probably sounds crazy, but given the fact that there is no way that all carp will ever be removed from Harties for instance, would it not be better to manage the carp to meet the goals food-web manipulation, and at the same time have fish in a better overall condition for the anglers? Does this make better sense?
I do not feel that i never see eye to eye with you, and I did not realise that you felt so strongly about it. As a matter of fact, I really enjoy your comments as it provides me with new perspectives, and make me think about things a bit differently (even makes me think about some things!). I cannot foresee myself to really oppose you, as you have many years more experience than I have, but, I also like to state my views. I always try to take criticism positively.
(second attempt....first one did not post when SL bombed out)
I agree that using the word conservation and an alien species in the same sentence was pretty stupid. I am not advocating the conservation of any invasive species!
Fact is that we will never be able to get rid of the carp in our freshwater systems. By educating anglers form all backgrounds about the importance of managing fish stocks, we can at least try and make some difference. I am a keen angler, that loves to catch carp, and especially to outwit the bigger carps. What I was trying to say was that I am all for the harvesting of the hoardes of small and medium carps in any of our dams, but, I would also like to see that the really big carp be spared. I know this probably sounds crazy, but given the fact that there is no way that all carp will ever be removed from Harties for instance, would it not be better to manage the carp to meet the goals food-web manipulation, and at the same time have fish in a better overall condition for the anglers? Does this make better sense?
I do not feel that i never see eye to eye with you, and I did not realise that you felt so strongly about it. As a matter of fact, I really enjoy your comments as it provides me with new perspectives, and make me think about things a bit differently (even makes me think about some things!). I cannot foresee myself to really oppose you, as you have many years more experience than I have, but, I also like to state my views. I always try to take criticism positively.
Eish, and the pounding continues...never had a whole forum up against me...
Wow GTZA, do you always address ppl with such high english?
I dont recall saying people that eat fish are hooliguns...you put that one together.
I take it you are not a big carp angler, and therefore your views on what I have said. So I dont expect you to understand where I'm coming from... actually I dont think you care, looking at your words above. And so you are saying I should not fight for the species that I target? But be it not any other species, bass, etc...cos then the fish would be spared....Hmm...Oops, here I go with my 'perceptions' again...
As I said previously elsewhere, we big carp anglers are on our own... once again proven here....which is quite a pity.
Lastly, I dont care if catch and release of big carp is against the laws, "against conservation practices" or whatever you fundi's think up.... I will keep doing it, and keep preaching it. Big Carp angling is my passion! Why cant that be respected...?
If you are so against us, why not make up a law where carp fishing is banned and get it over with.
Well I think I've had enough. Clearly there is no place for my style of fishing here. So guys enjoy, I'm outta here.
Wow GTZA, do you always address ppl with such high english?
I dont recall saying people that eat fish are hooliguns...you put that one together.
I take it you are not a big carp angler, and therefore your views on what I have said. So I dont expect you to understand where I'm coming from... actually I dont think you care, looking at your words above. And so you are saying I should not fight for the species that I target? But be it not any other species, bass, etc...cos then the fish would be spared....Hmm...Oops, here I go with my 'perceptions' again...
As I said previously elsewhere, we big carp anglers are on our own... once again proven here....which is quite a pity.
Lastly, I dont care if catch and release of big carp is against the laws, "against conservation practices" or whatever you fundi's think up.... I will keep doing it, and keep preaching it. Big Carp angling is my passion! Why cant that be respected...?
If you are so against us, why not make up a law where carp fishing is banned and get it over with.
Well I think I've had enough. Clearly there is no place for my style of fishing here. So guys enjoy, I'm outta here.
Hey critter, cool it dude. My posting to you was all tongue in cheek. Just imagine if skrops took my reference to his photo literally I would probably now be walking around with a gaff handle sticking out my rear. B.t.w. skrops, how much you charge for spooking my MIL?
On the more serious side, I do have an issue with protecting or conserving the BIG carp purely for reasons of how that will contribute to the management issue. When we deal with invasive animals in ecosystems we tend to forget that they have some traits invasive plants don't have. For one, they are more mobile and can play hide-and-seek. Two, they have nervous matter. Even amoeba have been demonstrated to assimilate and integrate information, hence they learn. And the big buggers did not get big by being the blunt knives in the drawer. Three, the propensity to learn is a genetic trait and is passed on to their offspring. Four, the bigger a female the more offspring she produces.
In my aritmetic book one plus one is exponential.
On the more serious side, I do have an issue with protecting or conserving the BIG carp purely for reasons of how that will contribute to the management issue. When we deal with invasive animals in ecosystems we tend to forget that they have some traits invasive plants don't have. For one, they are more mobile and can play hide-and-seek. Two, they have nervous matter. Even amoeba have been demonstrated to assimilate and integrate information, hence they learn. And the big buggers did not get big by being the blunt knives in the drawer. Three, the propensity to learn is a genetic trait and is passed on to their offspring. Four, the bigger a female the more offspring she produces.
In my aritmetic book one plus one is exponential.
[color=#006600]BigCarpio[/color] wrote:
I think your attitude on what you are prepared to do outside of the law explains a lot. I do hope that you will have the guts to stand up to it. Tell you what, you give me your ID and whereabouts and I will see to it that you are prosecuted. How's that for a deal?
Or you turning tail and run?
Hehehe, BC, I was actually told once that my being Afrikaans becomes very obvious when I attempt to use English.
I think your attitude on what you are prepared to do outside of the law explains a lot. I do hope that you will have the guts to stand up to it. Tell you what, you give me your ID and whereabouts and I will see to it that you are prosecuted. How's that for a deal?
Or you turning tail and run?
Andre Laas
Sealiner
[color=#006600]GTZA[/color] wrote:
I gues that you are a much more hardened environmentalist than I am. I am still "green and soft" in this field, and is constantly looking for sollutions that will please as much as possible people. Being the optimist that I am, I would rather educate as many possible people to manage resources, than to try and convince them that those are bad resources and should be completely demolished.
[color=#006600]BigCarpio[/color] wrote:
jo jo, don't worry GTZA, we know what he looks like.
BC, have a save journey in your own little world, must be very up there were you are. down here we are friends and we are humbled by people with real knowledge.
maybe that is why we were looking for 'like minded' ppl, well you won't find 'like minded' ppl like yourself here on sealine.
jo jo, don't worry GTZA, we know what he looks like.
BC, have a save journey in your own little world, must be very up there were you are. down here we are friends and we are humbled by people with real knowledge.
maybe that is why we were looking for 'like minded' ppl, well you won't find 'like minded' ppl like yourself here on sealine.
Andre Laas
Sealiner
[color=#006600]BigCarpio[/color] wrote:
You are free to leave, but that will do absolutely nothing for the specimen carp angling scene! My advise is still to rather make it sound like fun, and educate along the way than be so serious about it! Everyday live and making a living is serious enough, lest just have fun when fishing and talking about fishing!!!!
Andre Laas
Sealiner
[color=#006600]BigCarpio[/color] wrote:
You know what...... if you cannot take the jokes, sarcasm etc. etc. you will not fit in around here. That is just the way we do things around here!
By attacking any member on here, you are just gonna take a big load of flack, so if you can't adapt to our ways of doing things, it is better you leave us in peace!
You know what...... if you cannot take the jokes, sarcasm etc. etc. you will not fit in around here. That is just the way we do things around here!
By attacking any member on here, you are just gonna take a big load of flack, so if you can't adapt to our ways of doing things, it is better you leave us in peace!