Hi peeps...this was sent to me Trekkers hauled in

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Trophy

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Hiya Chaps,

Another thread going nowhere slowly!

Please lets try keep this topical subject above the rod bucket and only add valuable contribution. DON'T get sucked into worthless debate or respond in a negative manner.

If useless banter between members continues it would be best to move the thread to the conservation pages where those interested can follow the posts.

Many Thanks,

T

 
 
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jb2

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$harkBait1 wrote:
jb2 wrote:
lushwill wrote:
eish, so so sad!
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Hi

It would be really helpful if people explain why it is sad.

It is so sad because............ (some kob have been caught by commercials and not recreationals?)

It is terrible because..........?
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SAD,SO SO SAD because: 1)here we are, day in day out,nite in nite out,trying to catch us a little kobbie but Alas,nothing, niks,boggerol.The entire school was already TAKEN by the trekkers! And these okes very often do TWO treks a day! 2) Everyone is watching the recreational angler, WHO IS WATCHING THE TREKNETTER??? 3) 1 can only imagine the disturbances caused underwater during the 'trek', not to mention the ecosystem and all the panic and distress signals sent out by the fish. No wonder we Blank all the time! Well, I guess that's how it goes.
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Hi Sharkbait

Are you sure that the entire shoal was taken. The trek works a bit differently than that.

How often do they get a trek like that? What portion of the annual kob catch comes from trekking?

Do you think that the effect of a net on a surf beach is a big factor. How do we get our bloodworm and prawn?

 
 
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SPIN A HOLIC

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Trophy wrote:
Hiya Chaps,

Another thread going nowhere slowly!

Please lets try keep this topical subject above the rod bucket and only add valuable contribution. DON'T get sucked into worthless debate or respond in a negative manner.

If useless banter between members continues it would be best to move the thread to the conservation pages where those interested can follow the posts.

Many Thanks,

T

 
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well said.
 
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kraken

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I know I should'nt get involved..............but.....ag what the hell!

The kob in those photos is really not that big a catch. In the past, we used to often catch more than that from a boat in a good nights fishing off the pavilion and other spots.

As jb2 points out, the sheer number of shore anglers in false bay alone will catch far more than that measly little trek haul.

Most of these little bastards will a) not give a damn about size or bag limits, b) leave the beaches and rocks in a disgusting state, c) leave huge bunches of accumulated nylon entangled on the seabed, d) happily drive up and down the beaches at night and lastly, will probably beat the crap out of one should you dare to take a photo of them doing any of the above.

A couple of years back Miles posted a pic or two of a really good haul of kob he made from his skiboat which, as I've mentioned is what a proper catch looks like. I don't recall there being many chirps about that one!

Yes,  it looks nasty and horrible to see all those poor little fishies suffering like that and is too much for some of the more sensitive souls. And, if the truth be known I myself find it a really undignified way for certain species to end their lives. In fact, it breaks my heart to know that some of the shoals of yellowtail we see will end up in a net. But, I also know enough about fish and fishing to realise that demonising a certain sector is so often based on ill informed emotion with very little scientific and practical backup.
 
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barryfish

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Is it the same _+25 fish in the bakkie as on the beach, if so Jb2 may have a point, at 5 a person on a good day only 3 - 4 recreational boats, never mind the commercials.

The nets may have destroyed much more under the water, but as a catch itself not a huge amount of fish?

m2C
 
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kraken

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One also can't really blame the treknetters for one's inability to catch a decent kob! Plenty of blokes have been catching some fine specimens recently!

Who knows? Not everyone can catch a fish...........::teas:::hyst:
 
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kraken

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barryfish wrote:
Is it the same _+25 fish in the bakkie as on the beach, if so Jb2 may have a point, at 5 a person on a good day only 3 - 4 recreational boats, never mind the commercials.

The nets may have destroyed much more under the water, but as a catch itself not a huge amount of fish?

m2C
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I know that Steve Lambeth did a major study of the treknet sector some years ago where they actually observed the whole  process while underwater and found there to be little physical damage involved.

Bear in mind that the surf zone is a fairly dynamic environment and is constantly changing as a result of currents and surf action.

 
 
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jb2

Sealiner
sparky2009 wrote:
jeez at least these guys do not sit at there keyboards bitching about us catching fish they do it for a living
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Hi

That has always been my concern. There is more to be gained by trying to learn from commercials than from criticising the practice of commercial fishing.
 
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Angus

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The irony in many comments posted on this thread is that if 25 R&S guys had caught that shoal and posted their pics they would have been congratulated......makes one think?
 
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kraken

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Angus wrote:
The irony in many comments posted on this thread is that if 25 R&S guys had caught that shoal and posted their pics they would have been congratulated......makes one think?
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My point exactly Angus!
 
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vismal

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Point taken guys.
fact also is that if 3 or 4 R&S guys get to catch such beauties and post it in a month it will probably serve as a record.
Even with thousands of anglers fishing on a given weekend at leats 80 - 90% of them probably go home empty handed or with 1 small bankfish, and not a sizable shoal of breeding stock.
I also reserve to say that there is a place for all of us under the sun and trekenetters will be there. Most importantly is, that we as recreational fisherman will not only be relieved but understand things better, if we know that the treknetters is as serious as we are about protecting and ensuring that the fish stocks remain healthy. m2c
 
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Angus

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I have been present at a couple of treks...last Friday the latest, and have always seen the trekkers putting steenies and undersize cob back. What concerns/irritates me more is seeing/hearing of undersize and over quota fish being taken/kept by many more R&S anglers than there are treknetters out there, and on a more regular basis. The cumulative effect of this must surely be more devastating to our resources than what the limited amount of trekkers accomplish. When a trek takes place they are in the public eye ....and they know it!
 
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vismal

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Would it be pratical and probably a fantastic opportunity for someone be tagging all the fish as it get released by these guys.
I have also witnessed them putting steenies and undersize fish back, apologies(the fish actually gets slung or thrown wildly back into the sea). Maybe someone from R&S could teach one of the trekkers a thing about safely releasing a fish.
 
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SPIN A HOLIC

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if you guys in the are could keep posting updates im sure i know some one who would be very keen to tag these fish and supply you with the data.
 
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marinello599

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i think that a law should be put into place that when these trek netters decide that today is the day that they go out to trek,MCM (this would be a flippin miracle) should appoint inspectors not one but +- 4 - 6 to monitor the situation.

as for releasing undersize fish...:hyst: thats a joke!
the parties responsible are more concerned about the $,to many times i've seen steenies,elf and cob being smuggled to a dark of complexion chubby dude driving a blue isuzu bakkie.when appoached these okes will flash big rusted daggers at you.

while some will argue that R&S will do more damage,c'mon guys who are we kidding.
i think they should be banned...livelyhood/no livelyhood!
 
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sharkbyte

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Angus wrote:
I have been present at a couple of treks...last Friday the latest, and have always seen the trekkers putting steenies and undersize cob back. What concerns/irritates me more is seeing/hearing of undersize and over quota fish being taken/kept by many more R&S anglers than there are treknetters out there, and on a more regular basis. The cumulative effect of this must surely be more devastating to our resources than what the limited amount of trekkers accomplish. When a trek takes place they are in the public eye ....and they know it!
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If there was a jackpot to be won, then Angus right there with that staement you would've won it!

Caring for our resources is the duty of all who use the sea whether commercial or recreational, guys we are putting too much emotion into this thread, this post should actually motivate the R&S Anglers even more to go hunt these Kob, as they are out there, also someone mentioned earlier that not all the kob was trekked and prolly not most likely and the rest of the school is still there to be caught!, I will howver go one to say Breeding stock Kobbies start at a very early stage! i have caught Kob just about 60cm and when i clean them i found females with eggs inside them, just like the 62cm I recently caught and boy did i feel bad cos as I cleaned it I tossed the keite into the water thinking dammit this coulda produce futre sholing Kob!

What about the guys keeping undersize Kob? this is far more damaging than keeping big size kob, does anyone know from about what size Kob stop breeding?
 
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morbus

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I doubt they will stop breeding as they age - maybe im wrong though. I read a study some time ago on red snappers if im not mistaken. they said that a 60cm Snapper produced ~273 times more eggs than a 40cm snapper. they urged fisherman to rather take several smaller (but obviously still above legal size) fish rather than even one large one. Is everyone here who is concerned about breeding stock prepared to release all their large cob and only keep the bare minimum legal size for eating??

I too doubt those +- 25 cob were an entire breeding shoal. And I dont think this is the reason i havent caught any cob. I put that completely down to my skill :). Think about it, before friday - those fish were swimming out there, up for grabs to all. the fact that the trekkers got them means none of us could.
maybe im just rambling cos i woke up too early :)
 
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