Hi peeps...this was sent to me Trekkers hauled in

[Jigger]

They say salmon and turtles return to the same rivers and beaches where they were born  to breed every year. If you wipe out the fish in one river others don't pop over from another river to take there place.

If this is true of fish and they have certain areas that certain schools frequent and breed what happens if the cob ,steenies and tail that come breed and frequent our beaches are wiped out then there will be none to take there place. Sure there will be loads out on the banks and off the point and so on, but they might not be the guys that come in to the beaches. You can't tell me that every tail and steenie in the Cape comes past Fish Hoek beach, only a certain few do. What if they are like the tuna and I am not just talking about the blue fin , that we used to get in the bay.

I think that in this day and age its not to smart to put unnecessary pressure on our already over burdened beaches. Its also irresposible to say that the damage the the trekkers do is minimal compared to the commercials on the seas, sorry folks damage is damage. If a guy smacks into your car its fine as long as the damage on your car is minimal compared to the damage on his car, I don't think so. The commercials are just thinning out what the trekkers are trying to finish.

 

[Dorado75]

Wayne wrote:

Ye W.T.F....now I know why I stand around forever waiting for something to bite on my bait,and nothing does,and I think wow wonder what I am doinmg wrong...now I know...NOTHING!!! Its those B*******D's that have taken all the fish...Ban the lot of them...and show me where they keep their nets..I burn the lot....this really Pee's me right off....

funny how you should mention burning nets, did you know that this is what happened recently at Glencairn/ Simonstown after it was released that they will be trekking again...... someone apparently went and destroyed their nets!

 

[jb2]

Jigger wrote:

They say salmon and turtles return to the same rivers and beaches where they were born  to breed every year. If you wipe out the fish in one river others don't pop over from another river to take there place.

If this is true of fish and they have certain areas that certain schools frequent and breed what happens if the cob ,steenies and tail that come breed and frequent our beaches are wiped out then there will be none to take there place. Sure there will be loads out on the banks and off the point and so on, but they might not be the guys that come in to the beaches. You can't tell me that every tail and steenie in the Cape comes past Fish Hoek beach, only a certain few do. What if they are like the tuna and I am not just talking about the blue fin , that we used to get in the bay.

I think that in this day and age its not to smart to put unnecessary pressure on our already over burdened beaches. Its also irresposible to say that the damage the the trekkers do is minimal compared to the commercials on the seas, sorry folks damage is damage. If a guy smacks into your car its fine as long as the damage on your car is minimal compared to the damage on his car, I don't think so. The commercials are just thinning out what the trekkers are trying to finish.

Hi Jigger

Ironically it is fish like Galjoen that are highly resident that are most affected by heavy catches.  The recreational sector had a lot to do with bringing down galjoen numbers.

There are still steenbras and kob in False Bay but not red steenbras or mussel cracker. It was probably recreationals that helped to wipe these fish out.

So the fish that are really gone are not taken by trekkers and the fish that form part of their catch are still here.

The bluefin that we get are actually caught off Natal at the moment (raar maar waar)

The comparison to damage to a car is unhelpful. A better example would be picking fruit from a garden.

The public gets cross if a trekker picks a grape off a vine. While trawlers are cutting down the vine and no one says a thing.

 

 

 

[sharkbyte]

Dorado75 wrote:

Wayne wrote:

Ye W.T.F....now I know why I stand around forever waiting for something to bite on my bait,and nothing does,and I think wow wonder what I am doinmg wrong...now I know...NOTHING!!! Its those B*******D's that have taken all the fish...Ban the lot of them...and show me where they keep their nets..I burn the lot....this really Pee's me right off....

funny how you should mention burning nets, did you know that this is what happened recently at Glencairn/ Simonstown after it was released that they will be trekking again...... someone apparently went and destroyed their nets!

Maybe they burnt there own nets as to do insurance claim so as to get new ones???

 

[Dorado75]

jb2 wrote:

Jigger wrote:

They say salmon and turtles return to the same rivers and beaches where they were born  to breed every year. If you wipe out the fish in one river others don't pop over from another river to take there place.

If this is true of fish and they have certain areas that certain schools frequent and breed what happens if the cob ,steenies and tail that come breed and frequent our beaches are wiped out then there will be none to take there place. Sure there will be loads out on the banks and off the point and so on, but they might not be the guys that come in to the beaches. You can't tell me that every tail and steenie in the Cape comes past Fish Hoek beach, only a certain few do. What if they are like the tuna and I am not just talking about the blue fin , that we used to get in the bay.

I think that in this day and age its not to smart to put unnecessary pressure on our already over burdened beaches. Its also irresposible to say that the damage the the trekkers do is minimal compared to the commercials on the seas, sorry folks damage is damage. If a guy smacks into your car its fine as long as the damage on your car is minimal compared to the damage on his car, I don't think so. The commercials are just thinning out what the trekkers are trying to finish.

Hi Jigger

Ironically it is fish like Galjoen that are highly resident that are most affected by heavy catches.  The recreational sector had a lot to do with bringing down galjoen numbers.

There are still steenbras and kob in False Bay but not red steenbras or mussel cracker. It was probably recreationals that helped to wipe these fish out.

So the fish that are really gone are not taken by trekkers and the fish that form part of their catch are still here.

The bluefin that we get are actually caught off Natal at the moment (raar maar waar)

The comparison to damage to a car is unhelpful. A better example would be picking fruit from a garden.

The public gets cross if a trekker picks a grape off a vine. While trawlers are cutting down the vine and no one says a thing.

 

 

and what about the white steenbras, i know that between the trekkers and the boats that pursed them behind seal isalnd they pretty much destroyed it in false bay

 

[Walt]

TREKNET 36!!!It was Rocky 6,and now it's Startrek 20 or Treknet 36!Guys,you're going about this the wrong way!This has repeated itself OVER & OVER & OVER & I'll repeat myself again.Go thru all the treknet threads,as Roland says "Same Old,Same Old!"

I remain unbiassed,but if you got a gripe go beyond Sealine,take it up with Bulldog representing you,or similar,etc.JB2 has answered your questions,and with all due respect to him,if he wasn't representing treknetters and their protocol,it'd be someone else.

I've had many complaints regarding Treknetting,but biggest problem is someone taking charge.Capt Haddock(think that's his name) was looking into same scenario.

If you mean bizness,take it to a higher echelon,as this is simply an angling site,and not a means to halt things like Treknetting.

As I said,i remain unbiassed,but would like to see some finality with regard to this issue.It's heading knowhere only towards conflict.

If you feel so strongly opposed to treknetting,I suggest you get a petition,and get someone to take control of it.

My 2c!

 

[lada]

2 weke terug het ek 2 bootjies in die Strand by die jetty sien uit kom.Die 2 bootjies was op Toyota Tazz se dak gelaai.In die bootjies was 20 + ondermaat kobies.Sulke gebeure is alledaags.Dit is hartseer.

 

[Walt]

lada wrote:

2 weke terug het ek 2 bootjies in die Strand by die jetty sien uit kom.Die 2 bootjies was op Toyota Tazz se dak gelaai.In die bootjies was 20 + ondermaat kobies.Sulke gebeure is alledaags.Dit is hartseer.

lada,Welcome to Sealine.Sorry,but has this anything to do with treknetting?

 

[Jigger]

Sorry jb2 I think you missing my point I am not saying the fish were all caught maybe there numbers were so depleted that they moved off and joined other larger schools for safety reasons, schools that no don't come into false bay but hang around Durban.
 The chances are the fish moved off because the food source was being disturbed anchovies and sards being netted relentlessly in the bay.  The same could happen if the nets keep getting dragged time and again over the same area disturbing the sea bed . So the point is, why must we keep pushing till its to late and learn from our mistakes when with a bit of foresight we can prevent it before it happens.
When the fish are gone its gonna be difficult to get them back unless someone knows a Steenbrass whisperer.

 

[Zane]

I have read the various posts and find it very depressing. This last February I spent over R3,000.00 on a week long holiday to target Kob in the Jongensontein/Stillbaai area and blanked. The reason I suspect is the 20 plus commercial boats that head out every night and take tons of kob every night. From 20kg to 20cm is fair game and its all legal. So my single investment in the local economy is meaningless against the short term unsustainable commercial fishing where MCM is becoming ever more leniant by issuing more quotas and slacker limits in favour of commercial fishing. As recreational anglers we are actually subsidising the commmercial fishing industry, quite ironic hey, I have to pay these guys to fish out the gamefish that I want to catch.

And by the way the cob catches are nothing compared to the uncontrolled fishing for sharks on the strand reefs. Strand regulars will confirm that last year was probably the poorest spotted gully fishing season ever. I think we can squarely blame the commercials for the demise of the spotted gully's of the Strand. I must actually complement these guys in being able to crash an entire fish stock within 2 summers, great work MCM and the local pirate fishery.

AND YES I AM PREJUDICED AGAINST COMMERCIAL FISHING AS IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE AND DOES NOT BRING LONG TERM BENEFIT TO THE ENVIRONMENT NOR THE POOR COMMUNITIES THAT RELY ON COMMERCIAL FISHING FOR A LIVING

 

[jb2]

Dorado75 wrote:

jb2 wrote:

Jigger wrote:

They say salmon and turtles return to the same rivers and beaches

and what about the white steenbras, i know that between the trekkers and the boats that pursed them behind seal isalnd they pretty much destroyed it in false bay

True enough. I was just trying to highlight that steenbras and kob can still be caught in False Bay. Red Steenbras and Cracker can't be caught anymore.

It was more an examination of the turtle analogy.

 

[jb2]

Zane wrote:

AND YES I AM PREJUDICED AGAINST COMMERCIAL FISHING AS IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE AND DOES NOT BRING LONG TERM BENEFIT TO THE ENVIRONMENT NOR THE POOR COMMUNITIES THAT RELY ON COMMERCIAL FISHING FOR A LIVING

Hi Zane

You raised a lot of points and I would like to examine one in particular.

You mention commercial fishing is "not sustainable". This is ver broad and is inaccurate.

When calculating how much fish should be caught, the scientists look at what the population can stand to loose. The example would be "living off the interest and not the capital" or "picking the fruit and not cutting down the tree". Do a quick google of "maximum sustainable yield" or "MSY".

Would you like to guess at the percentage reduction in shark longlining by MCM (now DAFF) in the last few years?

Any guess at the reduction in linefish authorisations?

What about the reduction in trek net effort in False Bay? Any guesses?

 

When scientists look at mortality, they assume that there will  be a bit of overcatch and they make provision for it.

"Commercial fishing" is so diverse that it is hard to speak of one homogenous commercial fishery.

Sometimes we blank because there is no fish around.

I do a lot of spearfishing. I get t scour huge areas of reef looking for fish. Sometimes the reef is alive with every species imaginable. Sometimes it is so barren that it is hard to imagine that you are diving in the same place. 

I confess that I share your tendency on a third party rather than on forces beyond my control.


 

 

[Dafishking]

I drove down baden powel so 2hours ago they where busy taking the net in and the white isuzu bakkie was at sunrise circle pumping prawn and worm.

 

[Dorado75]

jb2 wrote:

Dorado75 wrote:

jb2 wrote:

Jigger wrote:

They say salmon and turtles return to the same rivers and beaches

and what about the white steenbras, i know that between the trekkers and the boats that pursed them behind seal isalnd they pretty much destroyed it in false bay

True enough. I was just trying to highlight that steenbras and kob can still be caught in False Bay. Red Steenbras and Cracker can't be caught anymore.

It was more an examination of the turtle analogy.

 

red steenbras def not like their former years, but i caught 2 red steenbras in false bay 3 months ago in a space of 30 min down at macassar, so they def coming back!!

 

[rob billimore]

All I can say is............that much more Kob, and especially big Kob has been caught by the recreational sector this season alone so far, compared to the Treknetters. Guys, time to stop crying and go fishing rather.......conditions are ligning up for some good fishing in the next couple of days. Go get your PB !!! Over and out. RB

 

[Georgy]

In one of the previous forums on Trek Netting it was said that Yellow Tail comes into Fish Hoek and those areas to breed, that is why we do not catch them often on lures in this area. I live and grew up in Fish Hoek, I can see the beach from my office and I often see guys trolling before and after the nets are pulled. The nets are full but the trolling guys get nothing. I believe the difference between catching on a lure / bait it gives the fish a choice whether or not they want to feed, when you use nets you may very well pull the fish that came to shallows to breed. I believe this is why we are not catching kob at the moment. Is there anyone who knows facts on this?

 

[Marthin]

georgy as for yellowtail not coming in to breed... they definately don't breed in the middle of the ocean, and there has been tail caught earlier this year like hasnt been seen in a long time... i know at struisbaai specifically there was much more caught than could be sold...

As far as i know the kob we generally catch use tidal rivers to breed... so the guys catching the 20kg plus bulls in the breede are doing much more damage...together with half the eastern cape rivers not even having open river mouths anymore, and polution.

But this is just an uneducated opinion

 

[rob billimore]

Marthin, we have 3 species of Kob in our SA waters. The one that moves in and out of Estuaries, the Dusky Kob only travels as far South as Struis. These are not affected by trek nets, but commercial and recreational fishing has hammered the stocks hard over the years, and becuase they are the slowest growing, and take the longest to reach Breeding size, are the most vulnerable. The Square Tail Kob they catch mostly off KZN I believe, and then the Silver Kob is the fish that we catch around the Easten, Southern and Western Cape. This is the is the most commercially targeted of the Kob species, but does not use river systems for breeding, they are known to Breed in the deeper water of the Agulhus Banks.

 

[Georgy]

rob billimore wrote:

Marthin, we have 3 species of Kob in our SA waters. The one that moves in and out of Estuaries, the Dusky Kob only travels as far South as Struis. These are not affected by trek nets, but commercial and recreational fishing has hammered the stocks hard over the years, and becuase they are the slowest growing, and take the longest to reach Breeding size, are the most vulnerable. The Square Tail Kob they catch mostly off KZN I believe, and then the Silver Kob is the fish that we catch around the Easten, Southern and Western Cape. This is the is the most commercially targeted of the Kob species, but does not use river systems for breeding, they are known to Breed in the deeper water of the Agulhus Banks.

[align=left]Rob, below is off the Deat Brochure.  Where do we in the Western Cape fit in?  Seems like they make reference to only one specie.  I reckon the last one will be for us, 5 Per Person.[/align]
[align=left]Kob caught from a boat at sea [Cape Agulhas to Umtamvuna River] [font=Arial,Arial][font=Arial,Arial]Argyrosomus [/font][/font]spp. 50 cm 5 but may only land or be in possession of one kob>110cm per day. [/align]
[align=left]Kob caught from a boat at sea [The Province of KwaZulu-Natal] [font=Arial,Arial][font=Arial,Arial]Argyrosomus [/font][/font]spp. 40 cm [/align]
[align=left]Kob caught in estuaries & from the shore [East of Cape Agulhas only] [font=Arial,Arial][font=Arial,Arial]Argyrosomus [/font][/font]spp. 60 cm 1 [/align]
[align=left]Kob [West of Cape Agulhas only] [font=Arial,Arial][font=Arial,Arial]Argyrosomus [/font][/font]spp. 50 cm 5 [/align]

 

[rob billimore]

Kob [West of Cape Agulhas only] Argyrosomus spp. 50 cm 5

Yes, that is correct Georgy.