century kompressor sport

[subaruseun]

i want to convert a compressor rod and fit new k series guides

do these rods have a spine like our local rods?

i see on the century website they have a grinder configured rod with k series guides etc and described as:

""
the Fuji K guide is the world’s first automatic disentangling guide frame and is suitable for both multiplier and modern fixed spool reels.""

http://www.centurysea.co.uk/sea-rods/kompressor-s/

 

[OTGman]

Yes, there is spine. Even if no spine is detected from deflection test, there will be a softer axis that the guides tend to roll towards when doing light casts with tape on guide. Try locating using multiplier, it's more accurate without all the twisting from higher stand-off from fixed spool guide system. Then rung on the opposite side of what you've gotten on multiplier.

 

[Simen]

Had a look at the video, looks great, personally just dont like the adjustable reel seat, but nothing that cant be modified here.

 

[Enigma]

Century rods are always built on the relevant spine and a large portion of the new models are fitted as standard with K series.

Is your rod a locally built Century? if it is then check the spine, I have found a number not built anywhere near to the spine.

If it is a Century built rod then the guides will be on the spine and it would have been built for a multiplier. Buld with the guides 180 degrees off where the guides are currently.

Are you rebuilding as a Grinder (fixed spool rod or a Multiplier rod?)

 

[Enigma]

Next question Comments

Why K series?

The majority of long rods for Surf Fishing world wide and especially for 30lbs and up braids are built almost exclusively on Low Riders.

I have just done 14 for KZN/Zululand anglers even had Wally Watt using one and many of the Proteas attending World Champs in Europe including Mike Pautz I did low rider configs on their rods and since comming back they have been converting many rods to low riders, including the U/16's that finished individuals #1 & 3 and team #2

Low riders are more robust especially with 200lbs leaders make the rod much more effective in Casting/Hook setting and especially pulling.

The Bullseye rod with the Low Riders performed the best in all tests and with the heaviest setup we casted up to 1.6mm full length nylon leaders (good for foul terrain fishing for ineds - ie off the mountain)

 

[kitefisher]

Just as matter of interest. My Komp.S tip-section, feels like it could pretty much have a ''dual-spine''(as per the Zziplex M4 Evo) . On a primitive rolling test at 45dgeree angle on a short-haired carpet ,it definitely feels like there are two spines 180 degrees opposed to one another.

I feel this on the tip section only,with the butt(equal length), having a more pronounced ''single''spine.

btw. It is a factory build.Fairly old rod ,and it looks like Fuji KWAG 30/25/20/16/12/12/12/12/+12tip.

 

[OTGman]

Enigma, some of the more modern rods have very sophisticated designs which require the guide spacing to be on certain powerpoints and reinforcement for the design itself to actually work. Below is an Excalibur J of mine, the recommendation is to always land a guide at the boundary of 2 materials. This particular rod, 1/2 of the tip has spine, anything else doesn't but the softer axis can be found thru casting (which also happen to coincide with the top)

Good when the customer brings the rod to you. Bad when they do not understand about rod designs and build it to Fuji lowrider templates. The KW on their rods allow both the use of fixed spool w/ braid and multiplier. Lowrider will work better for fishing with braid, but the higher standoff will hinder their smaller reels used for competitive casting due to the need of the line to climb above the LC20 before going thru all the guides.

 

[OTGman]

kitefisher wrote:

Just as matter of interest. My Komp.S tip-section, feels like it could pretty much have a ''dual-spine''(as per the Zziplex M4 Evo) . On a primitive rolling test at 45dgeree angle on a short-haired carpet ,it definitely feels like there are two spines 180 degrees opposed to one another.

I feel this on the tip section only,with the butt(equal length), having a more pronounced ''single''spine.

btw. It is a factory build.Fairly old rod ,and it looks like Fuji KWAG 30/25/20/16/12/12/12/12/+12tip.

Dual spine rod offer better tip recovery when casting. There are rods that rotate around the glass tip after the cast because the caster finishes the rod in a pull to chest/ribs motion while keeping right arm as pivot. The course of the rod tip changes and recover in multiple directions. These undulations are directed by the spine to recover in the 2 axis.

The spine being the softer axis of the rod has a 10% sacrificial strength as investigated by Tom Kirkman on smaller rods. But the positive side is when a fish is pulling or during casting, the rod has less tendency to twist which means the hoop strength is better. The disaster of casting these days are usually due to twist and joint failure, you will need superhuman strength from Belgium to compress a rod capable of breaking carbon in the modulus of 30-40T.

On such a rod, it is IDEAL to build it to suit both type of reels. It solves the problems about boat rods twisting when the reel in above the rod (multiplier)

Note that in most cases, one of the spine is stronger than the other and will roll more vigorously to it. That is the spine that is better for casting as it is more forgiving against bad casts.

If you are going to use braid leader, braid mainline and fixed spool on low position the Kompressor willl work fine.

 

[kitefisher]

OTGman wrote:

kitefisher wrote:

Just as matter of interest. My Komp.S tip-section, feels like it could pretty much have a ''dual-spine''(as per the Zziplex M4 Evo) . On a primitive rolling test at 45dgeree angle on a short-haired carpet ,it definitely feels like there are two spines 180 degrees opposed to one another.

I feel this on the tip section only,with the butt(equal length), having a more pronounced ''single''spine.

btw. It is a factory build.Fairly old rod ,and it looks like Fuji KWAG 30/25/20/16/12/12/12/12/+12tip.

Dual spine rod offer better tip recovery when casting. There are rods that rotate around the glass tip after the cast because the caster finishes the rod in a pull to chest/ribs motion while keeping right arm as pivot. The course of the rod tip changes and recover in multiple directions. These undulations are directed by the spine to recover in the 2 axis.

The spine being the softer axis of the rod has a 10% sacrificial strength as investigated by Tom Kirkman on smaller rods. But the positive side is when a fish is pulling or during casting, the rod has less tendency to twist which means the hoop strength is better. The disaster of casting these days are usually due to twist and joint failure, you will need superhuman strength from Belgium to compress a rod capable of breaking carbon in the modulus of 30-40T.

On such a rod, it is IDEAL to build it to suit both type of reels. It solves the problems about boat rods twisting when the reel in above the rod (multiplier)

Note that in most cases, one of the spine is stronger than the other and will roll more vigorously to it. That is the spine that is better for casting as it is more forgiving against bad casts.

If you are going to use braid leader, braid mainline and fixed spool on low position the Kompressor willl work fine.

Very informative,thank you.

 

[Enigma]

Alfred I know the Angler and they fish exclusively 50lbs Braid of of Bulleye 120 reels or Ultegra 14000 or Saragossa 20000 SW so no tournament casting hence my recommendation of the Low Riders for heavy work and he often fishes off the Mountain which is extremely rocky and straight into very deep foul water.

Looking for 150kg and bigger sharks and rays and in these conditions a large diameter and long leader is advisable for protection in the reefs and in the landing of giants against the rocks.

Your points are well accepted as I know you know a lot about these rods and possibly have one of every model in your collection.

 

[Enigma]

That said it would seem that only the Japanese, Continental European and East Coast USA anglers are the only people who trust the anti tangle, power and durability of the Low Riders.

I've been using low riders on rods for fixed spool reels from 2002 and have fixed spool rods fitted with these guides and fish a 100-150lbs nylon leader when needed.

To do this though I use LCAG #20, 16J, 16 x 5 and BKWAG #16 with BMNAT #16, the K series steps the line down from the Low Rider which would otherwise impact on the top of the BMNAT as the profile of the LC is higer than the K on size 16.....

 

[OTGman]

As far as I know, if the line for distance casting is changed from mono filament to braid for fixed spool, I will change ALL my fixed spool rod to at least have a lowrider 20. There is no way to describe how good that guide works. It clearly keeps line far from slapping the blank and make a fixed spool rod cast as well as a multiplier. Kw are good as running guides, makes the top half of the rod very responsive without changing much of the action of the rod. Only hurdle is human mindset: lowrider + kw looks ugly
Not many will buy a rod with 2 different type of guide on it unless they cast n fish with it to understand what they are paying for. I see alot of crop circles on google earth, you have the best field to conduct all these tests and I love them. I must really come down and have a look.

 

[Enigma]

Yes that Hybrid works really well and I use it in the place of KR concept for example on rods used in boat spinning for Serriola (Yellowtail) to keep sensitivity in the tip but be more robust than KR Concept but in a rod used in fixed spool for fishing for sharks with thick lines where a lot of power pulling is required to land the fish then I find the Low Rider setup with last 1 or 2 guides to be the K series.

I am so glad that Fuji is now manufacturing the Low Riders in OG guide to keep the price down so more serious anglers who don't have the money of SG, TSG or even AG they can at least experience the beauty of the LC guides.

I think they were just losing way to much money on the Cheaper Chinese LC's and they had to counter the problem.

 

[Tackle-holic]

Hooray for Fuji doing Aluminium Oxide versions of the LC's.
High performance guides for the every-man.
Got two blanks that are great candidates for the hybrid; the owner will baulk at the (high?) cost of alconites, O's will be perfect. Any idea when the "O" version will be available here?

 

[subaruseun]

OTGman wrote:

Yes, there is spine. Even if no spine is detected from deflection test, there will be a softer axis that the guides tend to roll towards when doing light casts with tape on guide. Try locating using multiplier, it's more accurate without all the twisting from higher stand-off from fixed spool guide system. Then rung on the opposite side of what you've gotten on multiplier.

thank you for an informative post, it solves all the issues/concerns i had. my reason for asking is that the newer kompressors come with k series guides and the web refers... ""suitable for both multiplier and modern fixed spool reels""

so would assume its a hybrid situation catering for both multipliers/ fixed spools?

 

[subaruseun]

Simen wrote:

Had a look at the video, looks great, personally just dont like the adjustable reel seat, but nothing that cant be modified here.

Hi OOm.

i have been fortunate to acquire three centuries (rods)... two models standard and another customised with a fuji winch, so no issues there.

i intend customizing the kompressor for league fishing.

 

[Tackle-holic]

Alfred, do you really think dropping from LC/low riders to K series looks ugly?
A Ferrari F14-T Formula 1 racing car is not in the same beauty-race as say a 458 Italia but its performance makes the looks "sensible"..... and hence it is beautiful in its own right.
Smaller K series on the tip look quite good when preceded by a LC reduction train I think....

 

[Enigma]

Eb the Hybrid they are referring to is the use of the Low rider for the fist few guides transitioning into the lighter (shorter) frame of the K series thereby Hybridising the 2 types of guides on one rod.

The K will handle both types of reels as will the Low Rider but we have found that a rod used primarily with Braid on a Grinder the LC Concept of Fuji is the most robust and perform all around better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dldJin7BkU all in Japanese but the demonstration shows what is needed to make a choice

 

[kitefisher]

subaruseun wrote:

Simen wrote:

Had a look at the video, looks great, personally just dont like the adjustable reel seat, but nothing that cant be modified here.

Hi OOm.

i have been fortunate to acquire three centuries (rods)... two models standard and another customised with a fuji winch, so no issues there.

i intend customizing the kompressor for league fishing.

Subaruseun.. If you do the ''roll-test'' on any of your Century Kompressor Sport Tip-section's,do you perhaps also feel another ''spine''immediately opposite the spine where the guides are mounted(or anywhere else for that matter)

 

[subaruseun]

Enigma wrote:

Century rods are always built on the relevant spine and a large portion of the new models are fitted as standard with K series.

Is your rod a locally built Century? if it is then check the spine, I have found a number not built anywhere near to the spine.

If it is a Century built rod then the guides will be on the spine and it would have been built for a multiplier. Buld with the guides 180 degrees off where the guides are currently.

Are you rebuilding as a Grinder (fixed spool rod or a Multiplier rod?)

Craig...

from what i see its a century build with coaster/reel seat serial# and the old type green luminescent guides.

correct it would be for grinder and seeing century used the k series i would imagine they tested it properly, hence the notion to lean towards that... it will also allow a multiplier from what i see and read.

i have seen Emile's low rider technium and it casts well, i could explore that avenue, but was lead to believe low rider will be grinder specific.


knowing the centuries ability to load and having cast the bm 60/50 and the P7, i believe if loaded properly will outcast those two... i have the rod and the customization seems to be the way forward, be it kSER or LR's