[color=#006600]badballie[/color] wrote:
Well lets see, this whole debacle was started by you - insinuating that there are :
1) Ilegal importers selling grey products & now here is a tricky one - selling of stolen merchandise.....which could turn nasty should you not have sufficient proof ....
Further you and Van have done very little besides insult all and sundry in one way or another...even if it is via your highly polished vocabulary.....in essence an insult is an insult regardless of how "foul" or "polite" it is put ......
May I remind you that Van accused DB & others of being inbred at one stage -- an insult that have not been returned in kind ...as a matter of fact most of our more voracious members have shown an admirable amount of constraint thus far ......
I would suggest that you get of that very high horse, cease to look at matters so one sided, stop coming out of corners fighting all the time and try and maybe, be a bit more diplomatic for a change ? You might be amazed that most here are more than willing to listen to reason....if said reason makes sense and is not forced down upon them....
Just maybe then we can all get along at some stage and restore tranquility to this place....
PS - feel welcome to highlight spelling and grammatical errors, to your hearts content, I am afterall just a plain Dutchman with limited knowledge of the English language - but for the advantage of most readers have replied in my 2nd language.
Dear Badballie, I presume that you are called Ballie, because you are not a child anymore. I can also see from your logic and chain of thought that you consider things reasonably and responsibly. Your response is also with much more reason than any other till now. You also read posts properly.
If you say you are a "dutchman", I am happy to advise that I am also one of your tribe, and if you are slightly "more mature in years" - so am I, and english is also my second language.
I feel sorry for Van, because he did not come on the forum and start insulting all and sundry, rather all and sundry jumped on him as if they were on a mission against Van and his products, deriding them and their prices no end, while acknowledging that the product is the best on the market. I also believe they are the best, nothing compares. But that is my opinion and others dont have to agree.
I am in the fortunate situation/stage of my life that I dont have to ride out R50.00's worth of petrol to save R45 on a packet of lures. I understand that there may be people whom are not so fortunate. From all the debates around these issues, it would seem those who want to encourage and benefit from grey, parrallel and illegal importing, are those most vocifirous about the matter.
I am sorry that I brought up the matter that the forum was turning into a trading post for such products, and pushing the boundaries of importing rights and copyright and brand infringements, pointing out the possibility of stolen products even being sold/marketed on the parrallel markets. I however did not say that stolen property is definately being marketed on this forum.
Through the kind courtesy of "Hooked", he even posted a link on another thread to highlight the concern that exists in the organised Tackle Industry about the transgression of parrallel importing and retailing, and copyright infringement:
http://www.sportstrader.co.za/httpdocs/Pages/Industry%20news/The%20import%20and%20sale%20of%20fishing%20tackle%20and%20the%20law.html
On the same thread, we were all also brought down to earth by moderator
Reefman, who said:
" Unfortunately, to those who are unaware, we do have many people who come onto Sealine and advertize...
firstly without Sealine's permission, and secondly,
without the distributors permission, in the process infringing copyright and trademark laws. Many of the distributors have paid vast sums of money in order to obtain the licenses and agencies necessary to trade in that franchise, and
legally have every right to feel aggrieved when an unlicensed operator tries to undercut them. The problem is that we don't know who the registered legal dealers are, and it is not our responsiblity to make sure that that is in fact the case. So until someone points out that someone is infringing a copyright, we are none the wiser".
On that thread when I referred to Reefman's stating the facts and policy of the forum, I was berated and it was pointed out that Reefman was merely alluring to people who advertise on the forum and dont pay for that privelage.
I dont know if I am stupid or perhaps illiterate (and now watch reference and insults about my stupidity by some uncouthed individuals...), but the message and statement about the forum's exact same concerns, and their policy is
very clearly spelled out by Reefman.
There can be no more or further confusion about the matter. There is a general consensus about this concern.
Me knowing the identity of one such culprit, and mentioning the possibility and potential for abuse of the forum to achieve such mischievious ends, certainly doesnt implicate that I made wild unsubstantiated allegations. How come mod Reefman substantiated the concern?
Those who are guilty of such actvities know exactly who they are, and I must come to the conclusion that those who are so very vocal about the matter, are perhaps concerned and want to protect the culprits.
On the other hand, those who practise ethical business norms will equally know who they are, and be having a good laugh about the debate - because they have no concerns about this matter.
I do however feel, that apart for the amateur trading and swopping on the forum, all those who formally trade on the forum and threads, owe the forum to pay for such a privelege. That is at least the norm on any other forum and SOP in such related industries.
I joined this forum out of genuine and sincere interest in fishing. I can however not believe the hostility of some of the people here.
Thank you at least Ballie, for the courtesy, and not reverting to such hostile and uncouthed behaviour as some.
