[color=#006600]Van The Fisher Man[/color] wrote:
OK , then can you please tell us what WAS being sold on the forum?
[color=#006600]Van The Fisher Man[/color] wrote:
I make you a deal, for 2 weeks I will ONLY READ on this forum, I will not make 1 further comment, YOU help the people, and let's see what you have to say.
Remember something, YOU HELP EVERYONE without PROMOTING YOUR PRODUCTS, just like I did, let's see how much of YOUR WORKING DAY you spend helping people for free ... and how quickly your post count will jump !
I thought that was the reason, you've obviously read my articles that I put on the forum... and I DIDN'T promote your products in them.
I make you a deal, for 2 weeks I will ONLY READ on this forum, I will not make 1 further comment, YOU help the people, and let's see what you have to say.
Remember something, YOU HELP EVERYONE without PROMOTING YOUR PRODUCTS, just like I did, let's see how much of YOUR WORKING DAY you spend helping people for free ... and how quickly your post count will jump !
Van The Fisher Man
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No body is stupid,
I would like you to try importing something, and after paying the taxes and shipping costs then, compare your price to the locally bought product.
It's just because the product is fairly new and every ones going off about it that the price is such a discussion point, but I'll say it again it's not as cheap as other baits because it's not plastic.
I would like you to try importing something, and after paying the taxes and shipping costs then, compare your price to the locally bought product.
It's just because the product is fairly new and every ones going off about it that the price is such a discussion point, but I'll say it again it's not as cheap as other baits because it's not plastic.
Van The Fisher Man
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Come on.
Until this morning you had no clue who I worked for as, I was promoting anything.
I read the posts of the people and first tried to see what was being said and it was the why in witch you and Dberry have spoken to me that I have chosen to inter this forum on such a foot.
Until this morning you had no clue who I worked for as, I was promoting anything.
I read the posts of the people and first tried to see what was being said and it was the why in witch you and Dberry have spoken to me that I have chosen to inter this forum on such a foot.
Van The Fisher Man
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Gulp
You haven't answered the TLD vs onda question at all - so I will answer it for you - SOMEWHERE between the onda factory and me flicking the onda into the water SOMEBODY has gotten GREEDY and has screwed the cat stukkend ! As I said I am not stupid - I know what it takes to put any merchandise in a shop - with the popularity of some of the better brands(that sell in big quantities) the price should/could come down !!
Van The Fisher Man
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That is correct the price should come down, but if we don't meet the required, based on retail orders quota we don't get the discounts we need to drop the price, so then you have guys grey importing and selling low, because they have cutout SARS and customs and it's just an ongoing circle, inorder for the prices to come down there are a lot of variables and it does not help when Joe on the street thinks that you owe him something
I stand by my challenge, you wear the shoe for two weeks, then tell me how it fits.
I have left my own work (that pays ME MONEY) to help the people, YOU NOW DO THE SAME. I have never asked for anything in return, YOU SHOULDN'T EITHER.
but since you ready to help everyone before they go on holiday I can now get a little work done, I have a backlog of over a month.
Cheers
I have left my own work (that pays ME MONEY) to help the people, YOU NOW DO THE SAME. I have never asked for anything in return, YOU SHOULDN'T EITHER.
but since you ready to help everyone before they go on holiday I can now get a little work done, I have a backlog of over a month.
Cheers
Van The Fisher Man
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I'm tired of trying.
BYE BYE SEA LINE
BYE BYE SEA LINE
[color=#006600]Van The Fisher Man[/color] wrote:
By importing Grey you don't cut out SARS, NOT AT ALL. You get charged VAT and Import duties. You might get away with a small order of 1 or 2 things, but then the shipping costs don't make it worth it. I have a "friend" in the importing business, he has explained a few times so I have a fair idea of how it works.
You order say cost is 10 000 (incl their export duties if there is)
You pay say 1000 shipping
You get charged Import Duties on the total amount, say 11000, you get charged VAT on the total of that. But you are VAT registered, so you claim your VAT back aswell.
On big orders customs will inspect, AND YOU WILL PAY. Death and taxes...
Berkley is probably the BEST SELLING fishing product in this country, so I cannot believe for 1 second that you aren't "meeting targets". I personally think you have gone way over the target. Prices should be determined on quantity, but most of the times its not the case. That's why the "best sellers" get more expensive, even though the turnover of these products ARE HUGE. (I'm not just talking Berkley here)
You do owe Joe something, he buys from you, you owe him decent prices, you owe him the decency not to rip him off, he supports you, support him aswell.
and by you I mean the importers and the dealers, not you in particular. This is not just about you... (and I hope you realise that)
I DON'T AGREE WITH YOU
By importing Grey you don't cut out SARS, NOT AT ALL. You get charged VAT and Import duties. You might get away with a small order of 1 or 2 things, but then the shipping costs don't make it worth it. I have a "friend" in the importing business, he has explained a few times so I have a fair idea of how it works.
You order say cost is 10 000 (incl their export duties if there is)
You pay say 1000 shipping
You get charged Import Duties on the total amount, say 11000, you get charged VAT on the total of that. But you are VAT registered, so you claim your VAT back aswell.
On big orders customs will inspect, AND YOU WILL PAY. Death and taxes...
Berkley is probably the BEST SELLING fishing product in this country, so I cannot believe for 1 second that you aren't "meeting targets". I personally think you have gone way over the target. Prices should be determined on quantity, but most of the times its not the case. That's why the "best sellers" get more expensive, even though the turnover of these products ARE HUGE. (I'm not just talking Berkley here)
You do owe Joe something, he buys from you, you owe him decent prices, you owe him the decency not to rip him off, he supports you, support him aswell.
and by you I mean the importers and the dealers, not you in particular. This is not just about you... (and I hope you realise that)
Van The Fisher Man
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I know that it's not about me only,
I would also like to say that if we didn't do the job that we do and that if we did not promote it the way we have, then nobody would be having this discussion cause nobody would know about it.
I would also like to say that if we didn't do the job that we do and that if we did not promote it the way we have, then nobody would be having this discussion cause nobody would know about it.
The berkley product has been advertised VERY AGGRESIVELY in SA, and the dropshot craze has cost many fisherman thousands of rands, but people ended up with so much kit and had no idea what to do with it.
Put it this way, ALL THE TACKLE IMPORTERS have been riding on Berkleys aggresive advertising, and they have all made lots of money off it aswell.
How was your sales 12 months ago compared to now ? I will bet MUCH HIGHER. Hell I'm one of the people that contributed to that higher figure. I do not lie when I say I have spent in excess of R 10 000 on BERKLEY products, probably in about 2 months. But because of the cost people started looking at the "cheaper" products, and found that the success is not so bad on the other either, and if you dip them in the sauce it works even better.
Personally, I think bait works out cheaper and better, especially when compared to soft plastics.
Hard lures is a different story, you can fish them for a very long time, but the soft plastics last a fish or two or three and then you throw them away. And then we not talking about when the "small sh!ts brigade" makes a turn and bites the damn tails off ...
If there is one berkley product that I will pay for without thinking twice it's the CAMO WORM.
Put it this way, ALL THE TACKLE IMPORTERS have been riding on Berkleys aggresive advertising, and they have all made lots of money off it aswell.
How was your sales 12 months ago compared to now ? I will bet MUCH HIGHER. Hell I'm one of the people that contributed to that higher figure. I do not lie when I say I have spent in excess of R 10 000 on BERKLEY products, probably in about 2 months. But because of the cost people started looking at the "cheaper" products, and found that the success is not so bad on the other either, and if you dip them in the sauce it works even better.
Personally, I think bait works out cheaper and better, especially when compared to soft plastics.
Hard lures is a different story, you can fish them for a very long time, but the soft plastics last a fish or two or three and then you throw them away. And then we not talking about when the "small sh!ts brigade" makes a turn and bites the damn tails off ...
If there is one berkley product that I will pay for without thinking twice it's the CAMO WORM.
Van The Fisher Man
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mana to you
Van The Fisher Man
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I may not fish in the ESA events as I am one of there main sponsors.
And you would be saying even worse thing about me if I did fish in them.
If you doubt my fishing ability ask Dale Mack at Jandi, he phones me for advice.
And you would be saying even worse thing about me if I did fish in them.
If you doubt my fishing ability ask Dale Mack at Jandi, he phones me for advice.
[color=#006600]Van The Fisher Man[/color] wrote:
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
Let's all agree that we don't agree on the prices of things in SA, that we don't agree on whether Grey importing should be allowed or not, and that we don't agree on a whole lot of other things.
LET'S AGREE THAT WE LOVE FISHING and WILL HELP EACHOTHER to become BETTER ANGLERS.
:fst:
Well then you can CONTRIBUTE to this site, especially the artificial angling side of this site.
KNOWLEDGE IS POWER
Let's all agree that we don't agree on the prices of things in SA, that we don't agree on whether Grey importing should be allowed or not, and that we don't agree on a whole lot of other things.
LET'S AGREE THAT WE LOVE FISHING and WILL HELP EACHOTHER to become BETTER ANGLERS.
:fst:
i would like to spend money on berkley but at over two hundred bucks a pop for some products sorry not willing to spend that on merchandise. all i know is that on sensation i have caught and done okay, i never claim to be the best fisherman nor do i get out often. i enjoy the shad series as they are pretty straight forward however i would like a tub of camo worm as this one product seems to do well and there are not others out there like it. but i am going to pick and choose so maybe i will end up with some berkley, sensation, home made whate ever. if that is what is catching the fish then that is what works.
product costs also go up when you add things like advertising to it. a study done around ten years ago showed that some no name batteries worked better than branded as the no names focused on sorting the product out, whereas the branded had huge marketing campaigns which costs had to be drawn from somewhere. no where does the cost indicate quality, by no means am i saying that cheaper means better but that the priciest is not always the best. i would like to see someone impartial do a product comparison between the products then maybe we can see who is tops.
democracy is about choice and even if you feel a product is inferior, it is still about what the each person wants and feels take the diawa shimano debates each side swears on their choice but then where do pen, okuma and the rest come. i have never heard of Grey products being illegal, i am sure Trevor would have something to say. also i am sure the companies that are being ripped off say samsung would have something to say. hifi corp came up they pay tax and in durban you here often of ciggies and cds being burnt for being illegal why is hifi not closed down. sure price what you want that is your right and even lock the market if you want but that just means that many people would look elsewhere like me who are part time fisherman (wich i am sure there are more than full time)
product costs also go up when you add things like advertising to it. a study done around ten years ago showed that some no name batteries worked better than branded as the no names focused on sorting the product out, whereas the branded had huge marketing campaigns which costs had to be drawn from somewhere. no where does the cost indicate quality, by no means am i saying that cheaper means better but that the priciest is not always the best. i would like to see someone impartial do a product comparison between the products then maybe we can see who is tops.
democracy is about choice and even if you feel a product is inferior, it is still about what the each person wants and feels take the diawa shimano debates each side swears on their choice but then where do pen, okuma and the rest come. i have never heard of Grey products being illegal, i am sure Trevor would have something to say. also i am sure the companies that are being ripped off say samsung would have something to say. hifi corp came up they pay tax and in durban you here often of ciggies and cds being burnt for being illegal why is hifi not closed down. sure price what you want that is your right and even lock the market if you want but that just means that many people would look elsewhere like me who are part time fisherman (wich i am sure there are more than full time)
So Van,
I am armed with buckets of Berkley worm (Camo and other) and some minnows, 1/8 and 1/4 oz round jigheads in 1/0 and 2/0 a 7' rod and 2500 reel with braid plus fluorocarbon leader. I also have a bunch of Spro bucktail jigs.
Heading to the S coast and then on to Morgan Bay just other side of the Kei river.
I had some success on this outfit on the S coast last year but blanked at Morgan Bay.
What else do you have that I may need?
I am armed with buckets of Berkley worm (Camo and other) and some minnows, 1/8 and 1/4 oz round jigheads in 1/0 and 2/0 a 7' rod and 2500 reel with braid plus fluorocarbon leader. I also have a bunch of Spro bucktail jigs.
Heading to the S coast and then on to Morgan Bay just other side of the Kei river.
I had some success on this outfit on the S coast last year but blanked at Morgan Bay.
What else do you have that I may need?
Van The Fisher Man
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Dear Drewmill,
I'm sorry that you've only now started posting on this topic,
In a nut shell, if you count what it takes to get these goods into the stores around the country you will see that the prices are fair, also consider the fact that berkley baits are not made of plastic or silicone, rather something else.
And nobody is saying that grey imports are illegal but rather the advertising of trademarks etc
As for cost and quality BMW or Toyota?
I'm sorry that you've only now started posting on this topic,
In a nut shell, if you count what it takes to get these goods into the stores around the country you will see that the prices are fair, also consider the fact that berkley baits are not made of plastic or silicone, rather something else.
And nobody is saying that grey imports are illegal but rather the advertising of trademarks etc
As for cost and quality BMW or Toyota?