Why do Greenies or Bunny Huggers join an Angling Forum

Spacedog

New member
..ag I eat greenies with my kabeljou and chips.

Imfeni I know how you feel. But not all greenies are from another planet. Some occasionally eat a bit of fried hake and wear leather shoes. Some even use live bait and wax lyrical about braid and how they released a dead fish.
Some are D.I.Y. scientists who can box you in with reams of research data why you should not be keeping that fish for the pan. And all....are the reason why DAFF continues to screw us recreational anglers into becoming rebels and poachers.
 

Bern

Member
Spacedog wrote:
..ag I eat greenies with my kabeljou and chips.

Imfeni I know how you feel. But not all greenies are from another planet. Some occasionally eat a bit of fried hake and wear leather shoes. Some even use live bait and wax lyrical about braid and how they released a dead fish.
Some are D.I.Y. scientists who can box you in with reams of research data why you should not be keeping that fish for the pan. And all....are the reason why DAFF continues to screw us recreational anglers into becoming rebels and poachers.
MPA's are not DAFF but Sanparks. A very different animal. But lets not let facts get in the way of your "truth".
 

jb2

Sealiner
Bern wrote:
Spacedog wrote:
..ag I eat greenies with my kabeljou and chips.

Imfeni I know how you feel. But not all greenies are from another planet. Some occasionally eat a bit of fried hake and wear leather shoes. Some even use live bait and wax lyrical about braid and how they released a dead fish.
Some are D.I.Y. scientists who can box you in with reams of research data why you should not be keeping that fish for the pan. And all....are the reason why DAFF continues to screw us recreational anglers into becoming rebels and poachers.
MPA's are not DAFF but Sanparks. A very different animal. But lets not let facts get in the way of your "truth".

Hi Bern

Environmental Affairs is the lead agency in managing MPA's.

Sanparks is only involved when the MPA is managed along with a terristrial proteced area.

Tsitsikamma and Table Mountain National Park spring to mind.
 

Cobus12

New member
I never post,but enjoy the education on sealine.My question now is why does anybody even mention that they released the fish.If nobody knows then they can only congratulate and comment on the catch without the nasty comments.In my opinion the only prove of a release is a tagged fish.
 

Bern

Member
jb2 wrote:
Bern wrote:
Spacedog wrote:
..ag I eat greenies with my kabeljou and chips.

Imfeni I know how you feel. But not all greenies are from another planet. Some occasionally eat a bit of fried hake and wear leather shoes. Some even use live bait and wax lyrical about braid and how they released a dead fish.
Some are D.I.Y. scientists who can box you in with reams of research data why you should not be keeping that fish for the pan. And all....are the reason why DAFF continues to screw us recreational anglers into becoming rebels and poachers.
MPA's are not DAFF but Sanparks. A very different animal. But lets not let facts get in the way of your "truth".
So who would manage the coastal section of the addo national park?

Hi Bern

Environmental Affairs is the lead agency in managing MPA's.

Sanparks is only involved when the MPA is managed along with a terristrial proteced area.

Tsitsikamma and Table Mountain National Park spring to mind.
 

Bern

Member
jb2 wrote:
Bern wrote:
Spacedog wrote:
..ag I eat greenies with my kabeljou and chips.

Imfeni I know how you feel. But not all greenies are from another planet. Some occasionally eat a bit of fried hake and wear leather shoes. Some even use live bait and wax lyrical about braid and how they released a dead fish.
Some are D.I.Y. scientists who can box you in with reams of research data why you should not be keeping that fish for the pan. And all....are the reason why DAFF continues to screw us recreational anglers into becoming rebels and poachers.
MPA's are not DAFF but Sanparks. A very different animal. But lets not let facts get in the way of your "truth".

Hi Bern

Environmental Affairs is the lead agency in managing MPA's.

Sanparks is only involved when the MPA is managed along with a terristrial proteced area.

Tsitsikamma and Table Mountain National Park spring to mind.

So who would manage the coastal/marine section of addo?
 

jb2

Sealiner
Bern wrote:
jb2 wrote:
Bern wrote:
Spacedog wrote:
..ag I eat greenies with my kabeljou and chips.

Imfeni I know how you feel. But not all greenies are from another planet. Some occasionally eat a bit of fried hake and wear leather shoes. Some even use live bait and wax lyrical about braid and how they released a dead fish.
Some are D.I.Y. scientists who can box you in with reams of research data why you should not be keeping that fish for the pan. And all....are the reason why DAFF continues to screw us recreational anglers into becoming rebels and poachers.
MPA's are not DAFF but Sanparks. A very different animal. But lets not let facts get in the way of your "truth".

Hi Bern

Environmental Affairs is the lead agency in managing MPA's.

Sanparks is only involved when the MPA is managed along with a terristrial proteced area.

Tsitsikamma and Table Mountain National Park spring to mind.

So who would manage the coastal/marine section of addo?

Hi Bern

DEA would probably still be the lead agency and Sanparks would manage.

DEA is incredibly anti angler and recreational use.

DAFF is far easier to talk to about anglers' interests.
 

Bern

Member
jb2 wrote:
Bern wrote:
jb2 wrote:
Bern wrote:
Spacedog wrote:
..ag I eat greenies with my kabeljou and chips.

Imfeni I know how you feel. But not all greenies are from another planet. Some occasionally eat a bit of fried hake and wear leather shoes. Some even use live bait and wax lyrical about braid and how they released a dead fish.
Some are D.I.Y. scientists who can box you in with reams of research data why you should not be keeping that fish for the pan. And all....are the reason why DAFF continues to screw us recreational anglers into becoming rebels and poachers.
MPA's are not DAFF but Sanparks. A very different animal. But lets not let facts get in the way of your "truth".

Hi Bern

Environmental Affairs is the lead agency in managing MPA's.

Sanparks is only involved when the MPA is managed along with a terristrial proteced area.

Tsitsikamma and Table Mountain National Park spring to mind.

So who would manage the coastal/marine section of addo?

Hi Bern

DEA would probably still be the lead agency and Sanparks would manage.

DEA is incredibly anti angler and recreational use.

DAFF is far easier to talk to about anglers' interests.
Interestin. Sounds like a damn clumsy arrangement. I also feel sections of government are not great at talking to each other.
 

jb2

Sealiner
Bern wrote:
jb2 wrote:
Bern wrote:
jb2 wrote:
Bern wrote:
Spacedog wrote:
..ag I eat greenies with my kabeljou and chips.

Imfeni I know how you feel. But not all greenies are from another planet. Some occasionally eat a bit of fried hake and wear leather shoes. Some even use live bait and wax lyrical about braid and how they released a dead fish.
Some are D.I.Y. scientists who can box you in with reams of research data why you should not be keeping that fish for the pan. And all....are the reason why DAFF continues to screw us recreational anglers into becoming rebels and poachers.
MPA's are not DAFF but Sanparks. A very different animal. But lets not let facts get in the way of your "truth".

Hi Bern

Environmental Affairs is the lead agency in managing MPA's.

Sanparks is only involved when the MPA is managed along with a terristrial proteced area.

Tsitsikamma and Table Mountain National Park spring to mind.

So who would manage the coastal/marine section of addo?

Hi Bern

DEA would probably still be the lead agency and Sanparks would manage.

DEA is incredibly anti angler and recreational use.

DAFF is far easier to talk to about anglers' interests.
Interestin. Sounds like a damn clumsy arrangement. I also feel sections of government are not great at talking to each other.

Hi Bern

When MCM was split up, DAFF got all the functions of the MLRA except Antartic islands, sharks/whales and MPA's.

DAFF issues dive permits to dive in an MPA but DEA defines policy. DAFF receipts beach driving permits and they are (or were) processed at DEA.

Sharks are an interesting one and only white sharks fall under DEA.
 

tuna

Sealiner
Yes, you are 100% correct, this is a fishing site and not a sea sheperd site or a greenie site
We shouldnt take it from all these greenies im still scrolling down but there's one main greenie on here that has caused a lot of guys not to post including myself,, will point him out as soon as he joins the topic
 

rofflign

Sealiner
Cobus12 wrote:
I never post,but enjoy the education on sealine.My question now is why does anybody even mention that they released the fish.If nobody knows then they can only congratulate and comment on the catch without the nasty comments.In my opinion the only prove of a release is a tagged fish.
Not really, you can release fish without telling anybody.
 

FeedingFrenzy

New member
I have refrained from commenting on this just to see where this was going.  After reading this all I would like to put things into perspective.

1) Big white steenbras and big dusky cob that were killed (take note not died, killed) - "woooohooooo well done to the angler".  Sies!  Shame on you!  Your lack of vision, your short-term view based on a historical trend of viewing the ocean as a supermarket will result in the continued bust of a species.  Don't tell me there are 1000's of young ones therefore the species is in good shape.  Rubbish.  It is a well-known fact in ecology that species in peril enter a boom-bust cycle.  I don't give a rat's anus that they are still on the take list - we all know they are in trouble and yet we justify our stupidity by using this as an excuse.  The truth is that DAFF is so under-funded that they cannot conduct the necessary research to extrapolate the population size.  The little money they are allocated goes into determining quotas for the commercial species. 

2) Anybody that kills a shark is suddenly a pariah.  Why?  Because edibles have historically been harvested and are viewed as lower life forms than sharks - the popularity of fishing for them has risen in the last 5 years and all of a sudden they are a treasured resource.  Kill one a day.  Everybody.  And we see what happens to the population.

3) It is no secret that the us shore anglers can annihilate fish stocks.  Go look at the pics at the fishing museum in Hermanus and then tell me when last you have 100th of that amount of fish caught on any given day in Hermanus.  When I was a laaitie in the 80"s I still caught john brown, wildeperd, dassie and even yellow-belly rock cod at Nooiensbank below Gearing Point.  Good luck on even a hottie there now.

4)  Go to youtube and check the vids for a comparison between MPA's on Wild Coast vs outside of them.  If that does not convince you of the impact we have then we are lost.  The impact we as anglers have is huge.  Closed areas are a definite need.

5) Commercial exploitation generates income and contributes towards more employment than the recreational sector.  Guess who is going to be first on the list if someone has to be cut from the list of authorised users?

6) I eat fish.  I like to catch fish.  I am responsible - I will catch a hottie for the braai.  Or silver cob.  Or just legal galjoen.  Heck, I even used to take a smallish smooth hound for fried fish - not anymore though as they have become somewhat scarce in my neck of the woods as of late.  Or I buy a fresh yellowtail.  Be responsible.  Don't be part of the of the problem.  Be part of the solution.

I am an "environmentalist".  I work for an environmental consulting firm where everyday we deal with real world issues - not fuzzy feel good things but real issues: developments, massive engineering projects, game farms, nature reserves etc.  Don't confuse real world conservation with psychotic babblings of uninformed people. 

And just because someone is interested in the conservation and persistence of species they cannot be called a greenie or bunnyhugger or tree hugger.  How about we start calling all the plebs that insist on killing breeding fish "butchers", "barbarians", "idiots" etc?  Name-calling is name-calling. 
 

jb2

Sealiner
FeedingFrenzy wrote:
I have refrained from commenting on this just to see where this was going.  After reading this all I would like to put things into perspective.

1) Big white steenbras and big dusky cob that were killed (take note not died, killed) - "woooohooooo well done to the angler".  Sies!  Shame on you!  Your lack of vision, your short-term view based on a historical trend of viewing the ocean as a supermarket will result in the continued bust of a species.  Don't tell me there are 1000's of young ones therefore the species is in good shape.  Rubbish.  It is a well-known fact in ecology that species in peril enter a boom-bust cycle.  I don't give a rat's anus that they are still on the take list - we all know they are in trouble and yet we justify our stupidity by using this as an excuse.  The truth is that DAFF is so under-funded that they cannot conduct the necessary research to extrapolate the population size.  The little money they are allocated goes into determining quotas for the commercial species. 

2) Anybody that kills a shark is suddenly a pariah.  Why?  Because edibles have historically been harvested and are viewed as lower life forms than sharks - the popularity of fishing for them has risen in the last 5 years and all of a sudden they are a treasured resource.  Kill one a day.  Everybody.  And we see what happens to the population.

3) It is no secret that the us shore anglers can annihilate fish stocks.  Go look at the pics at the fishing museum in Hermanus and then tell me when last you have 100th of that amount of fish caught on any given day in Hermanus.  When I was a laaitie in the 80"s I still caught john brown, wildeperd, dassie and even yellow-belly rock cod at Nooiensbank below Gearing Point.  Good luck on even a hottie there now.

4)  Go to youtube and check the vids for a comparison between MPA's on Wild Coast vs outside of them.  If that does not convince you of the impact we have then we are lost.  The impact we as anglers have is huge.  Closed areas are a definite need.

5) Commercial exploitation generates income and contributes towards more employment than the recreational sector.  Guess who is going to be first on the list if someone has to be cut from the list of authorised users?

6) I eat fish.  I like to catch fish.  I am responsible - I will catch a hottie for the braai.  Or silver cob.  Or just legal galjoen.  Heck, I even used to take a smallish smooth hound for fried fish - not anymore though as they have become somewhat scarce in my neck of the woods as of late.  Or I buy a fresh yellowtail.  Be responsible.  Don't be part of the of the problem.  Be part of the solution.

I am an "environmentalist".  I work for an environmental consulting firm where everyday we deal with real world issues - not fuzzy feel good things but real issues: developments, massive engineering projects, game farms, nature reserves etc.  Don't confuse real world conservation with psychotic babblings of uninformed people. 

And just because someone is interested in the conservation and persistence of species they cannot be called a greenie or bunnyhugger or tree hugger.  How about we start calling all the plebs that insist on killing breeding fish "butchers", "barbarians", "idiots" etc?  Name-calling is name-calling. 

Hi Feeding Frenzy

I would like to try to chrystalise some of the concerns.

I think that MPA's are great where they are intended to protect a particular feature.

I think that some of the concern with MPAs is that they are not necessarily the best management measure to achieve a particular objective.

A good example is to be found at Robben Island. The area is closed to recreational diving in order to protect perlemoen from poaching.

The trouble is that DAFF estimates that poaching at the island is around 300 tons per month.

Ironically it is possibly the presence of recreational divers that make it more difficualt for industrial scale poachers since they serve as the eyes and ears of DAFF.

The idea that I am putting forward is summed up in a great article called "Painting the Floor with a Hammer - Technical Fixes in Fisheries Management".

Here is the link
http://www.sabrizain.org/traffic/library/fisheriesmanagement.pdf
 

tuna

Sealiner
its legal to keep any steembra or cob if its size and big
Its not for you to judge, i normally release fish above 15kg but sometimes i keep them to make sosaties or ingelegte vis
I pay my fishing license every year(close to R500), with extras like bait collecting and throw net ect and fuel to get there and bait, it ad up so if i want to use and not abuse my catch its my right
 

FeedingFrenzy

New member
tuna wrote:
its legal to keep any steembra or cob if its size and big
Its not for you to judge, i normally release fish above 15kg but sometimes i keep them to make sosaties or ingelegte vis
I pay my fishing license every year(close to R500), with extras like bait collecting and throw net ect and fuel to get there and bait, it ad up so if i want to use and not abuse my catch its my right
Blah blah blah.  It's your right.  Seriously.  I will personally comer to George and laugh in your face when various species are placed on prohibited list.  It's your right pfffffffft.  What a bunch of short-sighted rubbish.  It's your right.  Geez sounds like the manifesto of a certain party.  It's our rights.
 

FeedingFrenzy

New member
tuna wrote:
its legal to keep any steembra or cob if its size and big
Its not for you to judge, i normally release fish above 15kg but sometimes i keep them to make sosaties or ingelegte vis
I pay my fishing license every year(close to R500), with extras like bait collecting and throw net ect and fuel to get there and bait, it ad up so if i want to use and not abuse my catch its my right
Blah blah blah.  It's your right.  Seriously.  I will personally come to George and laugh in your face when various species are placed on prohibited list.  It's your right pfffffffft.  What a bunch of short-sighted rubbish.  It's your right.  Geez sounds like the manifesto of a certain party.  It's our rights. Blah blah blah.  When people start to ignore the greater good and justify with "it's our right" then you going one way.  And let's just say it's not up.
 

Ray11

Sealiner
I think the topic has somewhat gone wayward. The thing that must be addressed is the way people get slandered for not releasing a fish. We read countless threads with the same outcome. People have no respect for one another. Some okes get bad mouthed and indirectly sworn at sometimes for keeping a big fish. I think we must all be carefull that the lifestyle of fishing does not implode and we become our own worst enemies. Fishing,catching,killing,conserving is all a part of angling and each one of us has a part to play. Whether we catch it or buy it in the shop, we all contributing to the industry. But how we speak to one another can be looked at.
 
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