Why do Greenies or Bunny Huggers join an Angling Forum

[Imfeni]

Tokkie Potgieter wrote:

In my opinion, the issue is being pulled out of proportion.Their are a lot of guys especially in the Eastern Cape area who target big kob and release 98% of their big fish catches. 1 or 2 of these fishes may die even after prolonged efforts to revive them. I am probably the most disliked member on the forum but even I understand what happens in reality because I also target big fish, whether it is sharks, rays, kob, giant kingfish, etc. Nobody ever complained about huge fish that were caught and released and I do not believe that it was ever said or implied that the targeting of big fish per say is an issue and therefore I fail to understand why an angler refrain from posting his catches because I do post my catch and releases.

Nobody said or implied that all your catches should be released. There is absolutely no reason why an angler should release a 70cm or even a 80cm kob to take home as fresh meat as long as you stay within the legal quantities.

Tokkie

People are not posting their catches because of certain comments on their posts.



Congratulate the Angler on his catch


Ask him about his tackle and bait


DON’T ask him why it was not release or how bad it was for him keeping the fish

 

[rofflign]

Imfeni wrote:

rofflign wrote:

When I joined Sealine the site promoted catch and release, that seems to have changed.

Rofflign

I don’t think the site has changed, much more catching and releasing is happening than 5 -6 years ago, It’s more about educating Anglers the advantages off catch and release, but by forcing people to do so, we will get nowhere, and if an Angler does not catch and release who are we to criticize or attack him for not doing so. I think it’s in bad taste to do so.

And that is  probably because of it being highlighted on forums and many  angling programs on tv.

 

[Marthin]

Imfeni, if you dont ask the guy, how are you going to "educate" him on catch and release?

Pray he reads one of the articles a "greeny" wrote?

 

[Guest]

I have also had the privilege of fishing as part of research teams in MPA's. To see the difference of catch rates inside these areas compared with outside of them is nothing short of remarkable. This also goes for species such as cob and steenbras, species that we would not previously have thought to be resident or hugely territorial. The result is that I now support MPA's even if their presence is going to impact on my fishing in the short term.

I also do not fully agree with the argument of," if it is within the regulations - then it is all good."
If history is anything to go by, we as nation are not very good at managing our angling resource. Many regulations take years to change even though we know that these specific populations have been in trouble for many years and then when the regulation is changed, there is a blanket ban because proper policing is difficult. These bans are not what any of us as anglers want.

My point is that if we,as angling fraternity, demonstrate our own conservation efforts and mindset that many of these drastic measures may not be necessary. Yellowtail in Cape Town is a perfect example. The current regulations allow for 10 fish per person per day. We had a fantastic winter for tail at Dassen Island. There were many boats that fished 3 or 4 days a weeks a result catching their limit every day. This is within the regulations so we should have no problem with it but these regulations are for recreational anglers. I believe that fishing this many times a week now starts to ask the question, recreational or commercial? This behavior although within the limits is not in the spirit of conservation and could definitely not be considered, fishing for the future. I have no problem with guys keeping a few fish for a fry and to dish out to friends but the above behavior was poor and should it continue I am sure that we will see stricter regulations imposed on yellowtail and when it does happen you will hear the usual comments about how unfair it is. As daft as this may sound one does not have to look too far to find similar decisions. Look at Breede River, Red Steenbras, West Coast Rock Lobster, Dusky cob as examples of a few recent such decisions.

Fish populations are our resource and we as anglers should want to protect them as it is ultimately in our best interest to do so. This forum is a collective of anglers and we all want to be catching fish in the years to come.

Regards
Anton

 

[Marthin]

Good point well put Haakies.

A few years ago when pictures of dead red steenbras were put on the site, people would ask "why keep it, why wasnt it released" Barotrauma was a reason given sometimes but for the most the poor sod asking why it wasnt released would be hammered from all corners "It's his right, it's within the regulations, he's allowed and my personal favourite "YOU ARE THE REASON PEOPLE DONT POST THEIR CATCHES ANYMORE AND WHY THEY"VE LEFT SEALINE!"

On one of those posts i said don't cry when the close Red Steenbras then coz you took your "right within the regulations" every single time.

White Steenbras will not be far behind. So keep those big steenbras coz it's you're right. Don't cry when they are also closed.

 

[Ray11]

I for one would like to give my personal opinion. I think we all must look up to individuals who respect one another. This topic is not about whether it is good to have MPA'S or protection for species. This topic is about people not wanting to post their catches and if they do being dragged through the mud. Example that guy that posted the catch of him standing with those 2 big cob. Before anyone knew what really happened. The greenies started attacking the dude. And saying how disgusting it is etc etc.We all want to fish and protect the resource. But like any other sports, people are allowed to keep a fish or 2 whether its breeding stock or not. I catch one decent fish in a while. But will not post the pic as I feel my catch would rather be debated by certain people and not rewarded. Many people feel the same. If you have an opinion then give your opinion within reason and with regard to the topic. Respect goes a long way. You cannot judge anyone or anything unless you have accual facts to dispute something.

 

[Bern]

Haakies wrote:

I have also had the privilege of fishing as part of research teams in MPA's. To see the difference of catch rates inside these areas compared with outside of them is nothing short of remarkable. This also goes for species such as cob and steenbras, species that we would not previously have thought to be resident or hugely territorial. The result is that I now support MPA's even if their presence is going to impact on my fishing in the short term.

I also do not fully agree with the argument of," if it is within the regulations - then it is all good."
If history is anything to go by, we as nation are not very good at managing our angling resource. Many regulations take years to change even though we know that these specific populations have been in trouble for many years and then when the regulation is changed, there is a blanket ban because proper policing is difficult. These bans are not what any of us as anglers want.

My point is that if we,as angling fraternity, demonstrate our own conservation efforts and mindset that many of these drastic measures may not be necessary. Yellowtail in Cape Town is a perfect example. The current regulations allow for 10 fish per person per day. We had a fantastic winter for tail at Dassen Island. There were many boats that fished 3 or 4 days a weeks a result catching their limit every day. This is within the regulations so we should have no problem with it but these regulations are for recreational anglers. I believe that fishing this many times a week now starts to ask the question, recreational or commercial? This behavior although within the limits is not in the spirit of conservation and could definitely not be considered, fishing for the future. I have no problem with guys keeping a few fish for a fry and to dish out to friends but the above behavior was poor and should it continue I am sure that we will see stricter regulations imposed on yellowtail and when it does happen you will hear the usual comments about how unfair it is. As daft as this may sound one does not have to look too far to find similar decisions. Look at Breede River, Red Steenbras, West Coast Rock Lobster, Dusky cob as examples of a few recent such decisions.

Fish populations are our resource and we as anglers should want to protect them as it is ultimately in our best interest to do so. This forum is a collective of anglers and we all want to be catching fish in the years to come.

Regards
Anton

I agree, the regulations are almost inevitably a compromise between the needs of the fish stock as a whole and the wants of the angler. For this reason the regulations are not necessarily in the best interests of the fish stock and they fish therefore take a hammering. This is why catch and release as far as possible has to be pushed often. There is a saying, "limit your catch, don't catch your limit". We should continue questioning the retention of large breeders.

I still maintain that SA is not sophisticated enough for complicated bag and size limits. Our policing is not sophisticated enough either. Regulations should be simplified- do away with minimum and maximum size limits and make a bag limit of two fish per day (irrespective of species). If you have one or two fish in your possession then you are fine, if you have three or more then you get hammered. No more technicalities, no more need for inspectors with enough knowledge to ID and no more grey areas.

 

[stinkmossel]

I criticized an angler last week for not releasing a undersize steenbras, but I wont criticize a fisherman for catching and keeping his daily quota.
that is your right to catch and keep.

 

[DD]

Referring to Enigma's post, its actually quite tragic that an expert big Kob angler is not posting his reports on Sealine due to the mouth frothing Sea Shepards on this forum.

 

[Imfeni]

Haakies wrote:

I have also had the privilege of fishing as part of research teams in MPA's. To see the difference of catch rates inside these areas compared with outside of them is nothing short of remarkable. This also goes for species such as cob and steenbras, species that we would not previously have thought to be resident or hugely territorial. The result is that I now support MPA's even if their presence is going to impact on my fishing in the short term.

I also do not fully agree with the argument of," if it is within the regulations - then it is all good."
If history is anything to go by, we as nation are not very good at managing our angling resource. Many regulations take years to change even though we know that these specific populations have been in trouble for many years and then when the regulation is changed, there is a blanket ban because proper policing is difficult. These bans are not what any of us as anglers want.

My point is that if we,as angling fraternity, demonstrate our own conservation efforts and mindset that many of these drastic measures may not be necessary. Yellowtail in Cape Town is a perfect example. The current regulations allow for 10 fish per person per day. We had a fantastic winter for tail at Dassen Island. There were many boats that fished 3 or 4 days a weeks a result catching their limit every day. This is within the regulations so we should have no problem with it but these regulations are for recreational anglers. I believe that fishing this many times a week now starts to ask the question, recreational or commercial? This behavior although within the limits is not in the spirit of conservation and could definitely not be considered, fishing for the future. I have no problem with guys keeping a few fish for a fry and to dish out to friends but the above behavior was poor and should it continue I am sure that we will see stricter regulations imposed on yellowtail and when it does happen you will hear the usual comments about how unfair it is. As daft as this may sound one does not have to look too far to find similar decisions. Look at Breede River, Red Steenbras, West Coast Rock Lobster, Dusky cob as examples of a few recent such decisions.

Fish populations are our resource and we as anglers should want to protect them as it is ultimately in our best interest to do so. This forum is a collective of anglers and we all want to be catching fish in the years to come.

Regards
Anton

Dam this is hard to get you guys to understand my point.

IT’S GREAT WHEN MPA ARE DECLARED OR WHEN CERTAIN AREAS ARE CLOSED TO ANGLERS

Yes in the context of conservation it’s great, BUT we live in a country were thanks to laws 75% of our coastline in in excisable for Anglers due to the Ban on beach driving or due to fact that property on our coastline belongs to private companies, individuals or government.

WHY close the few areas Anglers have access to.  


 

 

[rofflign]

Ray11 wrote:

I for one would like to give my personal opinion. I think we all must look up to individuals who respect one another. This topic is not about whether it is good to have MPA'S or protection for species. This topic is about people not wanting to post their catches and if they do being dragged through the mud. Example that guy that posted the catch of him standing with those 2 big cob. Before anyone knew what really happened. The greenies started attacking the dude. And saying how disgusting it is etc etc.We all want to fish and protect the resource. But like any other sports, people are allowed to keep a fish or 2 whether its breeding stock or not. I catch one decent fish in a while. But will not post the pic as I feel my catch would rather be debated by certain people and not rewarded. Many people feel the same. If you have an opinion then give your opinion within reason and with regard to the topic. Respect goes a long way. You cannot judge anyone or anything unless you have accual facts to dispute something.

Very well said, my feelings exactly! People should be persuaded rather than attacked,but nobody should refrain from promoting catch and release, it's for every anglers good in the long run.

 

[setobla]

a bit off topic but can someone share the facebook groups? pLease

 

[Ant86]

Bern wrote:

Haakies wrote:

I have also had the privilege of fishing as part of research teams in MPA's. To see the difference of catch rates inside these areas compared with outside of them is nothing short of remarkable. This also goes for species such as cob and steenbras, species that we would not previously have thought to be resident or hugely territorial. The result is that I now support MPA's even if their presence is going to impact on my fishing in the short term.

I also do not fully agree with the argument of," if it is within the regulations - then it is all good."
If history is anything to go by, we as nation are not very good at managing our angling resource. Many regulations take years to change even though we know that these specific populations have been in trouble for many years and then when the regulation is changed, there is a blanket ban because proper policing is difficult. These bans are not what any of us as anglers want.

My point is that if we,as angling fraternity, demonstrate our own conservation efforts and mindset that many of these drastic measures may not be necessary. Yellowtail in Cape Town is a perfect example. The current regulations allow for 10 fish per person per day. We had a fantastic winter for tail at Dassen Island. There were many boats that fished 3 or 4 days a weeks a result catching their limit every day. This is within the regulations so we should have no problem with it but these regulations are for recreational anglers. I believe that fishing this many times a week now starts to ask the question, recreational or commercial? This behavior although within the limits is not in the spirit of conservation and could definitely not be considered, fishing for the future. I have no problem with guys keeping a few fish for a fry and to dish out to friends but the above behavior was poor and should it continue I am sure that we will see stricter regulations imposed on yellowtail and when it does happen you will hear the usual comments about how unfair it is. As daft as this may sound one does not have to look too far to find similar decisions. Look at Breede River, Red Steenbras, West Coast Rock Lobster, Dusky cob as examples of a few recent such decisions.

Fish populations are our resource and we as anglers should want to protect them as it is ultimately in our best interest to do so. This forum is a collective of anglers and we all want to be catching fish in the years to come.

Regards
Anton

I agree, the regulations are almost inevitably a compromise between the needs of the fish stock as a whole and the wants of the angler. For this reason the regulations are not necessarily in the best interests of the fish stock and they fish therefore take a hammering. This is why catch and release as far as possible has to be pushed often. There is a saying, "limit your catch, don't catch your limit". We should continue questioning the retention of large breeders.

I still maintain that SA is not sophisticated enough for complicated bag and size limits. Our policing is not sophisticated enough either. Regulations should be simplified- do away with minimum and maximum size limits and make a bag limit of two fish per day (irrespective of species). If you have one or two fish in your possession then you are fine, if you have three or more then you get hammered. No more technicalities, no more need for inspectors with enough knowledge to ID and no more grey areas.

 Couldnt agree more with both you gentlemen   

 

[Psy]

Imfeni wrote:

Haakies wrote:

I have also had the privilege of fishing as part of research teams in MPA's. To see the difference of catch rates inside these areas compared with outside of them is nothing short of remarkable. This also goes for species such as cob and steenbras, species that we would not previously have thought to be resident or hugely territorial. The result is that I now support MPA's even if their presence is going to impact on my fishing in the short term.

I also do not fully agree with the argument of," if it is within the regulations - then it is all good."
If history is anything to go by, we as nation are not very good at managing our angling resource. Many regulations take years to change even though we know that these specific populations have been in trouble for many years and then when the regulation is changed, there is a blanket ban because proper policing is difficult. These bans are not what any of us as anglers want.

My point is that if we,as angling fraternity, demonstrate our own conservation efforts and mindset that many of these drastic measures may not be necessary. Yellowtail in Cape Town is a perfect example. The current regulations allow for 10 fish per person per day. We had a fantastic winter for tail at Dassen Island. There were many boats that fished 3 or 4 days a weeks a result catching their limit every day. This is within the regulations so we should have no problem with it but these regulations are for recreational anglers. I believe that fishing this many times a week now starts to ask the question, recreational or commercial? This behavior although within the limits is not in the spirit of conservation and could definitely not be considered, fishing for the future. I have no problem with guys keeping a few fish for a fry and to dish out to friends but the above behavior was poor and should it continue I am sure that we will see stricter regulations imposed on yellowtail and when it does happen you will hear the usual comments about how unfair it is. As daft as this may sound one does not have to look too far to find similar decisions. Look at Breede River, Red Steenbras, West Coast Rock Lobster, Dusky cob as examples of a few recent such decisions.

Fish populations are our resource and we as anglers should want to protect them as it is ultimately in our best interest to do so. This forum is a collective of anglers and we all want to be catching fish in the years to come.

Regards
Anton

Dam this is hard to get you guys to understand my point.

IT’S GREAT WHEN MPA ARE DECLARED OR WHEN CERTAIN AREAS ARE CLOSED TO ANGLERS

Yes in the context of conservation it’s great, BUT we live in a country were thanks to laws 75% of our coastline in in excisable for Anglers due to the Ban on beach driving or due to fact that property on our coastline belongs to private companies, individuals or government.

WHY close the few areas Anglers have access to.  


 

excisable

ex•cis•a•ble (ˈɛk saɪ zə bəl, ɪkˈsaɪ-)

adj.
subject to excise

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/excisable

 

[Mike Smith]

Psy wrote:

Imfeni wrote:

Haakies wrote:

I have also had the privilege of fishing as part of research teams in MPA's. To see the difference of catch rates inside these areas compared with outside of them is nothing short of remarkable. This also goes for species such as cob and steenbras, species that we would not previously have thought to be resident or hugely territorial. The result is that I now support MPA's even if their presence is going to impact on my fishing in the short term.

I also do not fully agree with the argument of," if it is within the regulations - then it is all good."
If history is anything to go by, we as nation are not very good at managing our angling resource. Many regulations take years to change even though we know that these specific populations have been in trouble for many years and then when the regulation is changed, there is a blanket ban because proper policing is difficult. These bans are not what any of us as anglers want.

My point is that if we,as angling fraternity, demonstrate our own conservation efforts and mindset that many of these drastic measures may not be necessary. Yellowtail in Cape Town is a perfect example. The current regulations allow for 10 fish per person per day. We had a fantastic winter for tail at Dassen Island. There were many boats that fished 3 or 4 days a weeks a result catching their limit every day. This is within the regulations so we should have no problem with it but these regulations are for recreational anglers. I believe that fishing this many times a week now starts to ask the question, recreational or commercial? This behavior although within the limits is not in the spirit of conservation and could definitely not be considered, fishing for the future. I have no problem with guys keeping a few fish for a fry and to dish out to friends but the above behavior was poor and should it continue I am sure that we will see stricter regulations imposed on yellowtail and when it does happen you will hear the usual comments about how unfair it is. As daft as this may sound one does not have to look too far to find similar decisions. Look at Breede River, Red Steenbras, West Coast Rock Lobster, Dusky cob as examples of a few recent such decisions.

Fish populations are our resource and we as anglers should want to protect them as it is ultimately in our best interest to do so. This forum is a collective of anglers and we all want to be catching fish in the years to come.

Regards
Anton

Dam this is hard to get you guys to understand my point.

IT’S GREAT WHEN MPA ARE DECLARED OR WHEN CERTAIN AREAS ARE CLOSED TO ANGLERS

Yes in the context of conservation it’s great, BUT we live in a country were thanks to laws 75% of our coastline in in excisable for Anglers due to the Ban on beach driving or due to fact that property on our coastline belongs to private companies, individuals or government.

WHY close the few areas Anglers have access to.  


 

excisable

ex•cis•a•ble (ˈɛk saɪ zə bəl, ɪkˈsaɪ-)

adj.
subject to excise

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/excisable

Read the sentence in context and you will see that he means inaccessible.

 

[Ant86]

Members are often quick to criticise when blanket bans are put in place,crayfish season windows are reduced ,treknetting,trawler allocations, targetting GW due to a perceived increase in numbers etc and generally the consensus is that the Dept of Fisheries doesnt know a thing and their research or lack thereof is flawed . On one hand it seems people are quick to point out how crap and uninformed DAFF are when its against them but will religiously defend themselves or others when the keeping of a catch is questioned using the "legal" bag limit argument set by the very same DAFF.

By all means take a few for the pan but as said elsewhere is it necessary to hammer 10 YT a day , 4-5 days a week simply because the "Bag-Limits" say you can ? (or any other specie)

Just a thought

 

[Kalahari Skipper]

As a new angler my first goal was to catch a bloody fish!!!! I was lucky enough to catch two on the same day, within 30 minutes of each other. The one was undersized and the other was out of season. I kept both and ate them.

If I knew the laws they would have been released, however, if both were legal they still would have ended up in my bag.

I see guys fishing with upto 5 rods at a time? This to me is irresponsible. I do not know if these guys release any catches, but why use more than one rod? If a hunter hunts springbok with a shotgun, or rapd fire mavchine gun, its deemed immorale. I think this is immorale as well.

However, that is not the topic here. Correct me if I'm wrong Imfeni, but I get the feeling you are also irritated with guys bragging with their own catches and then klapping other okes for not releasing?

 

 

[Blue Marlon]

Kalahari Skipper wrote:

As a new angler my first goal was to catch a bloody fish!!!! I was lucky enough to catch two on the same day, within 30 minutes of each other. The one was undersized and the other was out of season. I kept both and ate them.

If I knew the laws they would have been released, however, if both were legal they still would have ended up in my bag.

I see guys fishing with upto 5 rods at a time? This to me is irresponsible. I do not know if these guys release any catches, but why use more than one rod? If a hunter hunts springbok with a shotgun, or rapd fire mavchine gun, its deemed immorale. I think this is immorale as well.

However, that is not the topic here. Correct me if I'm wrong Imfeni, but I get the feeling you are also irritated with guys bragging with their own catches and then klapping other okes for not releasing?

 

Be careful...........you're talking too much sense.

 

[Kalahari Skipper]

Blue Marlon wrote:

Kalahari Skipper wrote:

As a new angler my first goal was to catch a bloody fish!!!! I was lucky enough to catch two on the same day, within 30 minutes of each other. The one was undersized and the other was out of season. I kept both and ate them.

If I knew the laws they would have been released, however, if both were legal they still would have ended up in my bag.

I see guys fishing with upto 5 rods at a time? This to me is irresponsible. I do not know if these guys release any catches, but why use more than one rod? If a hunter hunts springbok with a shotgun, or rapd fire mavchine gun, its deemed immorale. I think this is immorale as well.

However, that is not the topic here. Correct me if I'm wrong Imfeni, but I get the feeling you are also irritated with guys bragging with their own catches and then klapping other okes for not releasing?

 

Be careful...........you're talking too much sense.

That's the general idea. hehehehe!!!

 

[Jakes 10]

Imfeni, you have an interesting way of bringing your point over. At first I get the "hoenders" in when I start reading your posts but after a few comments I actually see that you might have a point, I don't always agree with you, but a valid point non the less.

MPA's are a pain in the butt, BUT in 10 years time we shall all reap the benefits.

I also say that we should stop going for the throats of people keeping their legal limits. But me as a proud greenie will still promote c&r through setting an example by releasing the breeding stock I catch.

I released both pufferfish I caught last year...lol