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Nepptune

Sealiner
Mark, the original thread was posted with the images the Eric has posted here, of the shots of the poppers with the JigStar Africa logo behind them.
I asked for these to be removed because they were percieved as JigStar Africa selling these lures, and marketing them as JSA Originals, which they never were, and didn't want people to think that we were.

No fault at all by the member who posted teh images, he was merely sharing what he had seen in our stand at the show. But unfortunately the way the images were shot, as you can see from Eric's posts, it gave a totally wrong impression, to which Eric's reaction is completely and totally understandable and justified, and why were are doing our level best to assure him that his concerns are not necessary, and apologise for the misunderstanding and misrepresentation of products that are clearly copies of his lures, and will at no time be made, or sold, by JigStar Africa.

Again I would like to say in hindsight we realise the mistake and error of even having the sample versions we had with us at the stand, but hind sight is always clear sight, and we as a smakll starting company have learned our lesson. We wanted nothing more than to show off some high quality products and get people excited about Heavy Popping and chasing big fish with our high end Pnew range of Popping rods, along with and accompanying our Jigging gear.

Our error, and our mistake, one which I hope can be understood by Mr le Guyader, and we can move on and away from this matter.
 

tackle whore

Senior Member
Medic .

the only way it's " for the benifit of sealine " is to not delete posts that are relevant to their SPONSOR .I know Andre personally but to delete posts makes SEALINE FORUM  look biast towards it's sponsors in this case JIGSTARAFRICA esp if it's on other international forums with possible links to sealine  .i don't see the benefit to sealine mate.Post the threads let the members make what they want of it ................lets see what the uproar is about ,nothing personal but if i was in Andre's shoes i would want possible international clients to know that the company is above board and will weather the storm no matter what not get a closed thread link . That doesnt help JIGSTAR AFRICAS CASE !!      
 

fedu

Sealiner
A similar thing almost happened to me, sometime ago, I wanted to show something in a event (something I don't sell and will never sell because it's a totally diferent line of business), could not contact the "image owners", and at the time my legal counseling told me not to do it and I didn´t.

A can only understand this has JigStarAfrica being a new company and the love for the sport sometimes get's in front of reasoning, they were "naive".

In theyr shoes I would have bought a couple of Lures from OrionLures and have them on display, but I also know that sometimes living in Africa is not easy and things are not easy to arrive here (see what happened with the OR rods).

The strange thing with this sport is that "look a likes" are allway happening just some photos (that are no copies whatsoever) to ilustrate my point.

Orion
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Strike Pro
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Orion
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Heru
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Orion
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Gillies Komodo Popper
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Let me also say that I think "French" poppers are the best for "tropical waters", this Komodo Popper above is the most incredible popper I've seen on the water, Cubera Snappers love them and they fish even with all the paint scrached off!!

I will try to order from Orion these 3 poppers above because they look amazing, let me see if they can be delivered in Angola.
 

Hooked

Senior Member
I have also made some poppers for re-sale in the past , I call this one the Blue Bronzie.It is designed to catch great whites.All I need before I start manufacturing is someone to test it for me , to make it fair the first guy to PM me can test
 

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tackle whore

Senior Member
Actually Eric is well respected in the east thats why you got to come to africa to see copies.::S::S Bennie shame on you thats jigstars manufacturer you got to find your own one !!!! may i suggest the yellowpages
 
tackle whore wrote:
Actually Eric is well respected in the east thats why you got to come to africa to see copies.::S::S Bennie shame on you thats jigstars manufacturer you got to find your own one !!!! may i suggest the yellowpages
:fbash... I make my own copies! I copy them over and over and over. But in my own mould from my own hand made lures. I am busy with a Saily killer. Will post a pic tomorrow!

Top secret right now... incase it doesn't work!
 

ORION LURES

New member
Andre, thank you for your response.
 
I find it difficult to believe or accept that the lures produced for the show were only for the show with no intention of sales. That said, I will take you on your word but I request that you give a commitment that you and Jigstar will not market any poppers or stickbaits that are based on the design and the materials of my lures. It will be obvious to anyone if the lures are based on my Orions because my lures and the materials I use are unique.
 
I am willing to put all this behind us if you can give that commitment.

 
Eric.
 

gerritp

Senior Member
ORION LURES wrote:
Andre, thank you for your response.
 
I find it difficult to believe or accept that the lures produced for the show were only for the show with no intention of sales. That said, I will take you on your word but I request that you give a commitment that you and Jigstar will not market any poppers or stickbaits that are based on the design and the materials of my lures. It will be obvious to anyone if the lures are based on my Orions because my lures and the materials I use are unique.
 
I am willing to put all this behind us if you can give that commitment.

 
Eric.

You have my respect, hope to see you here more often when you guys put this thing behind you.
 

tackle whore

Senior Member
Yes you get leaders and followers in this industry he certainly leads .Hope this gets resolved Orions stickbaits are killer tuna lures in the canyon.
 

Reefman

Sealiner
ORION LURES wrote:
Andre, thank you for your response.
 
I find it difficult to believe or accept that the lures produced for the show were only for the show with no intention of sales. That said, I will take you on your word but I request that you give a commitment that you and Jigstar will not market any poppers or stickbaits that are based on the design and the materials of my lures. It will be obvious to anyone if the lures are based on my Orions because my lures and the materials I use are unique.
 
I am willing to put all this behind us if you can give that commitment.

 
Eric.

Now thats a professional response! Very well handled Mr Le Guyader...

 ::respekt: to you!
 

AndriesH

Sealiner
Very nicely done.
::tclaph
Here's a question or two:
1/ Will we have access to Orion lures in South Africa via a Sealine supporting on-line shop, like Jigstar or one of the others?
2/ Will they be affordable? In the range of R 200 to R 300 a pop?

If not, why not?

1/ If I don't have access to this type of product, does it mean I am excluded from this exclusive club?
2/ If I cannot afford your product, does it also mean I am excluded from your club?

If Orion cannot meet these requirements, surely they have left the door open for an affordable alternative.

I acknowledge that Neptune has openly apologised for copying the shape of your poppers, and that is very respectable, but your secrets in terms of materials and design, to achieve specific properties when fishing, remains yours.
Just like motor vehicles that look similar on the outside, what happens under the bonnet is often where it counts, and that remains your trump card.
 

tackle whore

Senior Member
Here is an idea ROY/ANDRE post Eric the 3xsample each you made for him to dispose of as he wishes, post a pic of the mould cut up ,on sealine i think that will settle it .
 

Nepptune

Sealiner
ORION LURES wrote:
Andre, thank you for your response.
 
I find it difficult to believe or accept that the lures produced for the show were only for the show with no intention of sales. That said, I will take you on your word but I request that you give a commitment that you and Jigstar will not market any poppers or stickbaits that are based on the design and the materials of my lures. It will be obvious to anyone if the lures are based on my Orions because my lures and the materials I use are unique.
 
I am willing to put all this behind us if you can give that commitment.

 
Eric.

Eric,

 

Thank you for your reply and your understanding, and I hope that you recieved my Private Messages as well my mails through Bertrand Picard as my mails to you directly have all bounced back to me.

 

As stated before, you have my word and the 100% commitment from myself and JigStar Africa that there will be NO COPIES OF ANY LURES BY ORION LURES, whether in design or construction made, marketed or sold by JigStar Africa at any time, nor has there ever been any plan to do so.

 

You lures are so unique and successful Eric because of the designs, techniques and the years of testing that has gone into them, that is plain to see.

 

I'd like to thank you once again for your understanding and and allowance to hear our side of the story, and again apologise for the misunderstandings created.

 

I'd like to put this matter behind us now, and move forward, onards and upwards.

Again my thanks to you Eric, and apologies once again.

Andre - JigStar Africa

 

Bennie - I'm not sure what information you are trying to find out, or alluding to, but we mentioned and were open right from the get go, that we, JigStar Africa, had these lures made as a test of whether we were able to use a similar material construction as the Orions. They will not be available anywhere, as we are not building them, so you don't need to worry about avoiding a manufacturer, as there isn't one.

Guys, if you want the highest quality GT and Tuna popping and casting lures, please contact Orion Lures directly.

 

Thanks again and I am glad we can put this behind us and move on.

Yours in fishing.

Andre
 

tackle whore

Senior Member
Andries if you cant afford them its because of the exchange rate mate , not because Eric is over prices the rest of the world buys them.If you cant afford them then yes you cant join the club ::S::S
 
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