SOMEONE TO TEST A PROTOTYPE JIGGING ROD or TWO`

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Enigma

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Had some guys in looking at the rod today. They do a lot of jigging of Pemba and are looking for a 2.3m version of the rod.

They say they find a longer rod delivers better results off the very deep drops found there and also a tendency for flat broad jigs, one of which we have that has a flat side on the one side and ridged on the other but only up to 250gr

Then hows this for Jig men thinking alike, they want the 2.3m in an overhead configuration for the Torsa (so gold and black shades in the binding.)

Thinking of making it an Acid rod to maximise the use of the parabolic curve in the blank and just because it's different and I like the idea behind the Acid or Meth rods.
 
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royboy

Sealiner
Hi guys - Enigma, I got back from St Lazarus Banks last night, fishing was GREAT. Fished the Quirimbas north for 1.5 days and then when the weather cleared we shot out to SLB. Some of the best fishing of our lives....

The long rod theory for jigging is questionable at best. Pemba guys are going through a HUGE learning curve!

We went with some serious gear (top-end short parabolic rods between 4'8'" and 5'2" built on nano-technology blanks etc.) and there was some gee-whizz from Lukas and John Nell. In fact, from all of us! 

Ulua on sealine (Craig Maree), Onde Onda (Johann Maree) were with us...... wait until you hear their perspectives! Long rods for Jigging?

PS - they are not related......... well after this trip one never knows!

Simple mathematics dictate. All about Leverage. Which side of the "lever" you are on? Fish side or human side? Length counts, question is for or against?

There is a lot of info available on this debate available on websites like 360tuna.com , bloodydecks.com, gtpopping.com and many others... this is not new.

Some very astute people out there have been through this and have views and results that have been put into practice over the last few years. Some top-end rod builders are applying these "results" to their rod construction, which is an evolutionary process. Interesting to analyse what is available on the market - ie what the boutique designers and builders come up with, and what the top chaps use and why?

A good look at their findings will fast-track design and development locally (we don't need to re-invent the wheel). The curve has already been learnt.

Anyway, a good discussion point. Research into this by the prospective rod owner will rule - different strokes, different outcomes.

Cheers, RB
 
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Enigma

Moderator
I have to agree on a lot of the theories you put forward and i personally prefer as short as possible and then it comes to casting you need to get a balance between casting and pulling

That's why for example I favour the 12'8 shark rod vs the 14'6 and 15' rods. I know I am the lever.

But as you say my client is the owner and he tells me what he wants. Most jigging rods I do on the seeker blanks are 5'-6'1 and then in 1 piece.

Sorry i missed the deadline for the testing.

There is however a place for a mix of blanks on a boat. With jigging use the shortest possible rod to induce a strike and if only a long lift and flutter is getting the bite then prepare for some lower back ache.
 
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Nepptune

Sealiner
Great points Craig!

I agree with Roy in that for me, the shortest possible rod that will do the job is going to be the prefered one... BUT, like you mention Craig, there are times when that long sweeping yo-yo action is going to be the one that gets the bites, and its bl00dy good to have something in your arsenal at that time to get those hits...
 
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FREE THE FIGHTER

Senior Member
I think a lot depends on fish size and water depth as well. A long rod in up to 40m really is not too much problem provided it has some backbone. If the old back really gets sore it is always possible to move the boat away from the fish to get an easier line angle.

There are times when  one just gets tired of under arm jigging and the longer rod with a spinning reel is great to fish from the hip/groin - especially with larger jig heads and plastics chucked about 10m away from the boat - the species that are hitting the jigs gobble these up at an even higher rate.

I agree entirely with Craig - absolutely there is a place for a longer rod on the boat.

Recently used a 7 foot 6 rod in about 40-50m with 4oz jigheads and 7 inch plastics -  great,great fun and a nice alternative to the 5 foot jigging rod.

But sure AJ in 80m plus, the shorter the better of course.
 
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fedu

Sealiner
Bottom fishing longer rods yoyo style have their moments and usually are easier to entice strikes on those bottom dwellers even on greater depths.

Water column shorter rods for shure but sometimes when tyred I envy the guys that are able to jig from the waist with a longer rod but nothing a couple hours at the gym won't solve.
 
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Enigma

Moderator
Hi Fedu, when I was reading the post on that Monster of a boat, (that is probably the envy of everyone on Sealine) I saw in the first pic of you jigging stop that your friend
landed a Amber on a rod as long as or longer than the rod we made as a long rod. The long rod in discussion here is 7' (2.1m):
 

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fedu

Sealiner
Yep Marco Couto probably the best Angolan angler, WR Giant threadfin record holder and 2005 IGFA Mexico world cup best angler jigs very sucessefully from the waist with 6.4 to 6.6 ft rods

With this rods he targets both bottom dwellers and amberjacks in the same drop.

Like I stated on the previous post it is easier to entice strikes on bottom dwellers with longer rods.


This rods are usually parabolic.


On targeting fish on the water column I personaly prefer shorter rods but I also have a Blue Rose longer rod for bottom dwellers specific targeting. 
 
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Enigma

Moderator
that one's gone and has beasted a few Ambers and a 38kg GT off Pemba.

Busy with edition 2 in gold flake for the brother of the new owner of the first rod

Prices will vary between R2250 - 3400 depending on your selection of components in the build.
 
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Enigma

Moderator
So Andre pics up the "TEST" rod. Likes it so much he orders a Gold version for his brother and December off to Pemba to test the rod

He is feeling invincible with the rod and is dealing out some serious WhipAss to smaller kingies and Ambers.

Landed a few big Couta, Dorado and a Wahoo do with the Tyrnos loaded with some Jerry Brown 80lbs he put's it into the spread while trolling.

Not to long and it's on Dad --
 

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Enigma

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Needless to say my "TEST" rod aint coming home, it's got a new home and found some serious respect.

The RESULT
 

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Enigma

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The rods went well and the first one and the next 6 have all landed good fish and although not the anglers first Choice they are go to rods when the fish are looking for a long jig and flutter action

Doubles well as a plug rod and a number of Moz GT have fallen to them

This post lead to Blu-Flu's 9' Yellowtail rod that was built as a lure casting rod but ended up getting field tested at Bassa's da India landing plenty fish with the biggest a 44kg Grouper

The softer tip action of that rod made it the ideal Stickbait rod and he's since commissioned a 9' Stage II with a bit more backbone

Changed the layering and wraps and have got more back to the rod and although a bit heavier it's going to throw a large Stickbait on heavy tackle and would only bring the Jaw of a Tail out..........looking forward to this ones end result

Going to be built to focus more on the pull than on the cast.
 
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