ok now im serious im indian so wat is it wi
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docside wrote:
"The dusky kob is the most important angling resource of the inshore environment from Cape Agulhas to Durban. Commercial boat anglers catch ~200 tonnes/year. Recreational anglers often target this species and are believed to catch as least as much and possibly more than commercial fisherman. Catches have declined markedly in recent years, and catch is now restricted."
Cheers & tight lines.
Hi docside. While I totally agree with your first statement, the second is not entirely true. Quoting from Heemstra's Costal Fishes of Southern Africa (2004), although not directly related to elf/shad the commercial catch versus recreational catch is what surprised me.Did we stop and think why these guys are so desperate? Many of them are unemployed, hungry, down and out. I am not condoning their behaviour, but maybe the Parks Board can give them a special permit, just like they have here on the north coast for our 'indigenous' brothers to harvest the rocks legally.
Better than theft and begging imo.
One pull of the trawlers net probably gets more than what these guys can pull in a year? Yet the parks board hounds the 'leisure' fisherman, while there are guys there really damaging our stocks. I'm not saying that have a free for all, but they should accomodate people who have been fishing for generations, and rely on the fish to survive.
Just my 2c.
"The dusky kob is the most important angling resource of the inshore environment from Cape Agulhas to Durban. Commercial boat anglers catch ~200 tonnes/year. Recreational anglers often target this species and are believed to catch as least as much and possibly more than commercial fisherman. Catches have declined markedly in recent years, and catch is now restricted."
Cheers & tight lines.
i would give you a good reason- history of shad fishing comes from our forefathers who used bamboo sticks as rods and strings for lines. many were very poor.shad fishing was one of the easiest ways to provide food . most of our forefathers never took home more than three as the fish was big and many never had cars and fridges. presently many are umemployed and it is the the easiest way to provide food relative to its size.whenever i notice barbaric behaviour ,i simply move off as i feel that i fish merely for the sport whilst others need to feed their families
killy
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u knw whats strange... is that all u guys that have a big problem with the shad anglers HAVE BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT. We all started fishing coz of the thrill and adrenalin rush one gets when hauling out ur fish. So y not xperience that feeling 24/7.
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Atleast majority of them are eating or selling the fish.but what are all the shark anglers out there catching sharks 4 then? the shad ous which are subsistent fishermen not by d means or lucky 2 target n afford 2 go after the huge monsters in our water...
killy wrote:
Took the words out of my mouth. The okes get excited about shad the way we do about rugby. I understand when guys go nuts when they get burnt off by a dude that fishes maybe once a year. I only had one experience. I was on a small rock in the surf, next thing this dude is there, not enough space for two and one of us was going to swim.
docside wrote:
Did we stop and think why these guys are so desperate? Many of them are unemployed, hungry, down and out. I am not condoning their behaviour, but maybe the Parks Board can give them a special permit, just like they have here on the north coast for our 'indigenous' brothers to harvest the rocks legally.
Better than theft and begging imo.
One pull of the trawlers net probably gets more than what these guys can pull in a year? Yet the parks board hounds the 'leisure' fisherman, while there are guys there really damaging our stocks. I'm not saying that have a free for all, but they should accomodate people who have been fishing for generations, and rely on the fish to survive.
Just my 2c.
benniejordaan
Sealiner
This weekend we went off shore and at the containers (a popular bait spot) I was catching shad on drop shot.. for fun. We took 8 for the pan and released plenty, we were 4 on board. But... there was another boat there loaded with Char-O's who discovered the shad were wild there too. They were sitting 7 abreast on a boat along the one gunnel like sardines and fishing with traces made up of 6 hooks per trace. As long as the shad were biting, they were bagging. The one even had the ordasity to tell me I should us a Sabiki because I could catch more than one at a time. I didn't stay to see how many they bagged but let me give you an idea.
They dropped the 6 hook rig and pulled 2-4 shad on a string. The string could be dropped 5 times before they ran back up to the top of the drift. They were there for the full 2 hours I was there and stayed there long after I left. Each drift taskes 10 min. So let's asume they were there for 3 hours. 7 blokes loading a average of say 3 shad on a drop. That would make it 3X7X18 = 378 shad! I doubt they stayed for only 3 hours though.
Back to the comments. And I'm not going to mention posts or names. If it applies, so be it!
They have a boat, can't be too poor can they?
U get a rush from catching fish on apropriate tackle! But they can be released!
Fish to feed their families... What a load of kak. Catch 4 take them home and eat them. Tomorrow catch another 4... Presuming you are doing this because you have no job, the rest of the day can be spent looking for one!
While I am at it, I want to appologise to anyone I have offended. I know it isn't everyone but unfortunately if you overlook it then you are part of the problem. I did make comment, but I had my kids with me. I normally do!
They dropped the 6 hook rig and pulled 2-4 shad on a string. The string could be dropped 5 times before they ran back up to the top of the drift. They were there for the full 2 hours I was there and stayed there long after I left. Each drift taskes 10 min. So let's asume they were there for 3 hours. 7 blokes loading a average of say 3 shad on a drop. That would make it 3X7X18 = 378 shad! I doubt they stayed for only 3 hours though.
Back to the comments. And I'm not going to mention posts or names. If it applies, so be it!
They have a boat, can't be too poor can they?
U get a rush from catching fish on apropriate tackle! But they can be released!
Fish to feed their families... What a load of kak. Catch 4 take them home and eat them. Tomorrow catch another 4... Presuming you are doing this because you have no job, the rest of the day can be spent looking for one!
While I am at it, I want to appologise to anyone I have offended. I know it isn't everyone but unfortunately if you overlook it then you are part of the problem. I did make comment, but I had my kids with me. I normally do!
It's a pity that this issue (like most issues in our country today) becomes a race issue. As Yacoob said earlier "i think its across the board". No use getting heated up, and use foul language. Everyone is entitiled to their opinion, and we should respect each other. No hard feelings, but lets keep it clean.
Beleive me, there are greedy guys everywhere, red , green or brown.
Beleive me, there are greedy guys everywhere, red , green or brown.
your comments are offensive.you must realise that there are laws and should an individual break the laws,it is a problem with that particular person irrepective of race .you could have exercised your rights and reported this person to the parks board.it is also within a persons legal rights to catch and eat four shads daily.i take offence to you calling indians chaar-o.
the thing that irritates me the most with some okes is when u casually mention a comment like THERE WERE A COUPLE OF INDIAN OKES THERE or....I GAVE IT TO AND INDIAN etc...
y mention INDIAN??....is it that difficult for url to say that there were a couple of OKES fishing in that boat?
indian or not...they were breakin the law and should have been caught and punished
y mention INDIAN??....is it that difficult for url to say that there were a couple of OKES fishing in that boat?
indian or not...they were breakin the law and should have been caught and punished
deezynking
Senior Member
eish.... geting abit hot here hy.
the reason i added this topic is to find out why us indians... genaralising here prefer to fish for shad than other fish.
sounds weird i know.
iv seen plenty non indians fishing for shad wetha on fly or dropshot or normal bait catching more than the bag limit and undersize as well.
but what fasinates me is in kzn... indian fisherman fishing for shad. im in dian and i dont have that so called love for fishing shad.
and the most famous thing... it was so :fst:
and all tat subsistance fishing thing is bull. i kno plenty guys i meet that are not poor. they catch it coz they want to... love for the sport or tasty fish.
all confused now i guess....
the reason i added this topic is to find out why us indians... genaralising here prefer to fish for shad than other fish.
sounds weird i know.
iv seen plenty non indians fishing for shad wetha on fly or dropshot or normal bait catching more than the bag limit and undersize as well.
but what fasinates me is in kzn... indian fisherman fishing for shad. im in dian and i dont have that so called love for fishing shad.
and the most famous thing... it was so :fst:
and all tat subsistance fishing thing is bull. i kno plenty guys i meet that are not poor. they catch it coz they want to... love for the sport or tasty fish.
all confused now i guess....
deezynking wrote:
I am sure next time you will put your questions in a better way, maybe " Why does many anglers love to target shad???"
Personally i get pissed off when someone of another race says " that charou, coloured, wit o ) what ever other race, instead of not indentifying race just say that angler!!!
sad but we need many more years to get over this race thing.
I see it in angling as well, everyone says lets get together, all happy internet anglers but when we all together we join our "small races of colour"
In general, we should stop putting up topics that mention races, cause we are still too young not to mention each others races.
My buy one get one free opinion!!!!
Mo!!! you asked for it!!eish.... geting abit hot here hy.
the reason i added this topic is to find out why us indians... genaralising here prefer to fish for shad than other fish.
sounds weird i know.
iv seen plenty non indians fishing for shad wetha on fly or dropshot or normal bait catching more than the bag limit and undersize as well.
but what fasinates me is in kzn... indian fisherman fishing for shad. im in dian and i dont have that so called love for fishing shad.
and the most famous thing... it was so :fst:
and all tat subsistance fishing thing is bull. i kno plenty guys i meet that are not poor. they catch it coz they want to... love for the sport or tasty fish.
all confused now i guess....
I am sure next time you will put your questions in a better way, maybe " Why does many anglers love to target shad???"
Personally i get pissed off when someone of another race says " that charou, coloured, wit o ) what ever other race, instead of not indentifying race just say that angler!!!
sad but we need many more years to get over this race thing.
I see it in angling as well, everyone says lets get together, all happy internet anglers but when we all together we join our "small races of colour"
In general, we should stop putting up topics that mention races, cause we are still too young not to mention each others races.
My buy one get one free opinion!!!!
benniejordaan
Sealiner
Khan,
It is not all about racism it has to do with ethnic differences! There will always be that difference between us and not just here in S.A. You will find it all over the world. We need to learn to accept these differences.
@ killy: If you are offended by me calling them Chaar-O's, I appologise! I have to ask the question though. Why are you offended? Indians often refer to Indians as Chaar-O's.
@Habib: They were Indians! The thread title is "shad and INDIANS"! But I am asuming you were generalising!
Now about calling the parks board. I have called them many times and never had a respose from them. Added to that these guys were 2 miles off shore!
Happy fishing!
It is not all about racism it has to do with ethnic differences! There will always be that difference between us and not just here in S.A. You will find it all over the world. We need to learn to accept these differences.
@ killy: If you are offended by me calling them Chaar-O's, I appologise! I have to ask the question though. Why are you offended? Indians often refer to Indians as Chaar-O's.
@Habib: They were Indians! The thread title is "shad and INDIANS"! But I am asuming you were generalising!
Now about calling the parks board. I have called them many times and never had a respose from them. Added to that these guys were 2 miles off shore!
Happy fishing!
benniejordaan wrote:
hi bennie
yes i was generalising. sorry i should have said that it was not a dig towards u.
look....there are just different ways that people say it that can sound a bit rude. i have freinds of all colour and we call each other charo...bruino...vitou...darkeo etc....but we all brothers at work and are there for each other...same goes for fishing as well....
i fish with all races and i have people calling me a reject charo and i in turn call them thickheaded dutchman etc....but all in fun and we enjoy it.
then comes the problem when a white guy for example makes a comment like THERE WERE ALOT OF INDIANS MAKING DIRT ON THE BEACH.......now a comment like that is not right and a oke like that will one day mess with the wrong indian and get the snot klapped out of his head
but u are right....its not only here but throout the world and all we can do is just respect eachother and get along. sure there are gonna be the die hard old school racists....alot of them here on sealine. url know who url are....but in time....everything changes.
lets hope our kids dont have this problem when they together
hi bennie
yes i was generalising. sorry i should have said that it was not a dig towards u.
look....there are just different ways that people say it that can sound a bit rude. i have freinds of all colour and we call each other charo...bruino...vitou...darkeo etc....but we all brothers at work and are there for each other...same goes for fishing as well....
i fish with all races and i have people calling me a reject charo and i in turn call them thickheaded dutchman etc....but all in fun and we enjoy it.
then comes the problem when a white guy for example makes a comment like THERE WERE ALOT OF INDIANS MAKING DIRT ON THE BEACH.......now a comment like that is not right and a oke like that will one day mess with the wrong indian and get the snot klapped out of his head
but u are right....its not only here but throout the world and all we can do is just respect eachother and get along. sure there are gonna be the die hard old school racists....alot of them here on sealine. url know who url are....but in time....everything changes.
lets hope our kids dont have this problem when they together
deezynking
Senior Member
well said habib bhai ..... 
deezynking
Senior Member
point taken khan bhai. :fishn