my question for today is what rod "Brand" would yo
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hey there
seeing no one has answered your question, i thought i might give it a go,
firstly i'm no expert at fishing or rods for that matter.
but i would say preference would depend mainly on you of all the brands you mentioned they each have their own camps of fans that support and love the rods.
as a photographer im often asked by people which is better nikon or cannon,
i tell people that both brands are still gonna deliver pics at the end of the day, what i tell people is to go and pick the camera in their own hands and see what feels best to them.
like wise with rods only once you pick up the rod and feel and use it will you know whats best for you.
there are a ton of rods on the market - and between the jackal - shimano and waft they each have some really good rods under their name.
again coming down to type and style of casting what might be good for me might not be good for you. ie a rod that has a fast action versus a rod that has a slow action.
if i take my uncle and my self he can cast better with a slower action rod
but give it to me i cannot cast well with it,
each rod brand would have rods that are meant for different styles of casting with different price ranges to appeal to every one.
EG every one could say that the waft raging bull might be the best rod on the market, but if you cannot copress the rod fully your not gonna get maximum benefit from it and also its not going to be the most fishing friendly rod because its a casting tool, where as you might enjoy fishing with a waft black mamba or a waft stallion etc.
regarding the brands you mentioned this is my personal opinion
jackal is new on the market, who seem to be backed up heavily by western accessories, makes me wonder if its ot their own brand? but its just rebranded chinese tackle, making it affordable locally.
what i don't like about them is there false advertising - saying that they are a European tackle company which they are not so i don't have much trust in them personally,
waft is westerns own brand - but i also don't trust them from some experience, you are never sure of the blanks that they use yusuf goes as far as far as bashing most other reputable rod companies saying that the waft rods are better. often saying that they have japanese blanks when they come from china etc,
im not saying this is true in all cases but there is no transparency there so i also don't trust them
shimano - international company, they have a brand thats been around and has been tried and tested.
seeing no one has answered your question, i thought i might give it a go,
firstly i'm no expert at fishing or rods for that matter.
but i would say preference would depend mainly on you of all the brands you mentioned they each have their own camps of fans that support and love the rods.
as a photographer im often asked by people which is better nikon or cannon,
i tell people that both brands are still gonna deliver pics at the end of the day, what i tell people is to go and pick the camera in their own hands and see what feels best to them.
like wise with rods only once you pick up the rod and feel and use it will you know whats best for you.
there are a ton of rods on the market - and between the jackal - shimano and waft they each have some really good rods under their name.
again coming down to type and style of casting what might be good for me might not be good for you. ie a rod that has a fast action versus a rod that has a slow action.
if i take my uncle and my self he can cast better with a slower action rod
but give it to me i cannot cast well with it,
each rod brand would have rods that are meant for different styles of casting with different price ranges to appeal to every one.
EG every one could say that the waft raging bull might be the best rod on the market, but if you cannot copress the rod fully your not gonna get maximum benefit from it and also its not going to be the most fishing friendly rod because its a casting tool, where as you might enjoy fishing with a waft black mamba or a waft stallion etc.
regarding the brands you mentioned this is my personal opinion
jackal is new on the market, who seem to be backed up heavily by western accessories, makes me wonder if its ot their own brand? but its just rebranded chinese tackle, making it affordable locally.
what i don't like about them is there false advertising - saying that they are a European tackle company which they are not so i don't have much trust in them personally,
waft is westerns own brand - but i also don't trust them from some experience, you are never sure of the blanks that they use yusuf goes as far as far as bashing most other reputable rod companies saying that the waft rods are better. often saying that they have japanese blanks when they come from china etc,
im not saying this is true in all cases but there is no transparency there so i also don't trust them
shimano - international company, they have a brand thats been around and has been tried and tested.
WAFT and Jackal from the same manufacturer and distributor.
Jackal are specimen rods and not Conventional
Shimano Technium, just change the tip guides to #12 and they're fine
Best of these 3 brands are the WAFT Raging Bulls II followed by the Black Stallion but if you are serious about considering the Alivio then look at the WAFT Black Mamba
If you do buy the Alivio buy a few spare guides as the rings fall out if knocked. I would however strongly recommend against the Alivio for bank angling as it is a specimen rod.
You are obviously not a club or league angler as if you were you would have seen in your club / province which rods are used by the serious anglers and the regular top performers
Jackal are specimen rods and not Conventional
Shimano Technium, just change the tip guides to #12 and they're fine
Best of these 3 brands are the WAFT Raging Bulls II followed by the Black Stallion but if you are serious about considering the Alivio then look at the WAFT Black Mamba
If you do buy the Alivio buy a few spare guides as the rings fall out if knocked. I would however strongly recommend against the Alivio for bank angling as it is a specimen rod.
You are obviously not a club or league angler as if you were you would have seen in your club / province which rods are used by the serious anglers and the regular top performers
i am club angler next weekend i am fishing the junior finals at vaaldam moolmans . some of the people have alivio's , but those other rods are to expensive toe buy , i don't like the sensation rod (sorry if I offended some of you ) that is my personal view on these rods they are to uncomfortable to angle with i have a sensation velocity 13ft , but I don't know if it my casting action or what , but i don't like casting with it , because of the weight I get tired . that is why i asked because all of these are light rods and would not make me tired .
Ok well a lot of this makes some more sense now.
To fish with a 13' Velocity you would have be 1.75m and at least 70kg to come right with the rod. As it has a wide grip and needs a lot of power to be cast efficiently.
The grip is in fact a bit uncomfortable for me at 1.75m tall/short and is perfect for most anglers in the 1.8m length.
I customise many Velocity 12' for Juniors and Penkoppe by shortening the rear grip (I do this by fitting as new reel seat lower on the rod)
The Sensation Blaster 10' will cast a M0 and bol to 110m easily is light and has a nice tip action for short range tempo fishing stqandard will be around R320 and refitted with low riders R375 the 12' and the 12' about R50 more. This is a T24 graphite construction
One of the reasons the Alivio feels better for you is that the grip from reel seat to butt is much shorter.
However if you are serious about a competitive angling careers you will have to invest in some better rods. The lighter a performance rod is the more it costs.
All you must remember is that in club angling you have to get the fish to bite so you need a rod to put the bait and trace in among the fish so even if the rod is hard or not nice to play a fish on, if it's the rod that puts the bait amongst the fish and gets the bite then it's the right rod.
To fish with a 13' Velocity you would have be 1.75m and at least 70kg to come right with the rod. As it has a wide grip and needs a lot of power to be cast efficiently.
The grip is in fact a bit uncomfortable for me at 1.75m tall/short and is perfect for most anglers in the 1.8m length.
I customise many Velocity 12' for Juniors and Penkoppe by shortening the rear grip (I do this by fitting as new reel seat lower on the rod)
The Sensation Blaster 10' will cast a M0 and bol to 110m easily is light and has a nice tip action for short range tempo fishing stqandard will be around R320 and refitted with low riders R375 the 12' and the 12' about R50 more. This is a T24 graphite construction
One of the reasons the Alivio feels better for you is that the grip from reel seat to butt is much shorter.
However if you are serious about a competitive angling careers you will have to invest in some better rods. The lighter a performance rod is the more it costs.
All you must remember is that in club angling you have to get the fish to bite so you need a rod to put the bait and trace in among the fish so even if the rod is hard or not nice to play a fish on, if it's the rod that puts the bait amongst the fish and gets the bite then it's the right rod.
Enigma wrote:
Im curios about rods.
I have a set of R199 12 foot rods and I can get 125m with a P2 with mielie bomb on, now I had a waft black mamba 12 foot and I could not get anything past 125m not matter size sinker I put on....I have since sold the wafts as its pointless me keeping a casting rod like that when it cannot outcast my cheap rod which might not be lighter or thinner than the waft but its no where as stiff and you can fish much better with it and you wont get hook pulls.
I have been looking for a set of rods for a few years now. My problem is I seem to cast better with cheap rods than these expensive casting rods and im not sure why??
My Dad has a 10 foot shimano alivio and I can get 101m with a P2 sinker with bomb on but I can also get that distance with my R169.00 no name brand 10 foot rod.....why? I really want to be able to crack the 140 to 160m mark when casting but all these expensive rods don't get me anymore distance than my cheap rods...
Any idea why these expensive rods "casting" rods don't get me more distance? surely it cant be my casting action because they advertise anyone that buys their rods will be able to cast much further...
Im curios about rods.
I have a set of R199 12 foot rods and I can get 125m with a P2 with mielie bomb on, now I had a waft black mamba 12 foot and I could not get anything past 125m not matter size sinker I put on....I have since sold the wafts as its pointless me keeping a casting rod like that when it cannot outcast my cheap rod which might not be lighter or thinner than the waft but its no where as stiff and you can fish much better with it and you wont get hook pulls.
I have been looking for a set of rods for a few years now. My problem is I seem to cast better with cheap rods than these expensive casting rods and im not sure why??
My Dad has a 10 foot shimano alivio and I can get 101m with a P2 sinker with bomb on but I can also get that distance with my R169.00 no name brand 10 foot rod.....why? I really want to be able to crack the 140 to 160m mark when casting but all these expensive rods don't get me anymore distance than my cheap rods...
Any idea why these expensive rods "casting" rods don't get me more distance? surely it cant be my casting action because they advertise anyone that buys their rods will be able to cast much further...
So what you saying is that its pointless buying a waft or Sensation because they claim you can cast up to 200m with their products but using your mentality is that it wont help if a person cant use that rod properly?
Isn't that the reason we buy these expensive casting rods? So we can get further distances because me as an angler have reached my limit with my current rod........
Neltf wrote:
This is what im scared of.
I have a R200 rod and a R1000 rod. My R1000 could not get me more distance than my R200 rod so lets say I try buy another rod brand for R1500 and I still only cast the same distance as my cheap rod.....what do I do then? still blame my casting technique or just admit that's these fancy so called casting rods that get advertised to cast 200m are a fraud and a joke?
How far can you cast with your current rods? what rods are you fishing with now?
This is what im scared of.
I have a R200 rod and a R1000 rod. My R1000 could not get me more distance than my R200 rod so lets say I try buy another rod brand for R1500 and I still only cast the same distance as my cheap rod.....what do I do then? still blame my casting technique or just admit that's these fancy so called casting rods that get advertised to cast 200m are a fraud and a joke?
How far can you cast with your current rods? what rods are you fishing with now?
Willis wrote:
Best I could get out the Raging bulls was 98m...now I get ave 118m with 100g trace (m1.5-24g) you must remember,main line & leader thickness also play a huge role is casting far...I went from a 0.27mm to a 0.23mm main...with the next komp I am scaling down to a 0.21mm line which is 10Lb...But to get back to your other question- technique plays a big role yes,you gonna have to practise
Willis wrote:
What I am saying is that you could for e.g have a waft rod and with that rod you cast 150m. I take the same rod and only get 130m.
We then exchange rods, you cast with my exage and get 130m where I get 150m.
different rods suit different casting styles.
I make no difference between the price of rods nor the brand.
try a couple of rods and see what gives you (personally) the best distance.
I use a Seagrande rod to cast a 5 or 6oz sinker with a cob bait (bait approx always the same size)
I have a Waft (8oz) I use for shark fishing - again it suits the bait I make and my casting style.
For my Galjoen set-up I use a Exage 110H.
3 different brands - but they work for me.
My angling buddy is sold on Purglass/3. I cannot get close to his distance when casting his rods, he again cannot load the Waft
What I am saying is that you could for e.g have a waft rod and with that rod you cast 150m. I take the same rod and only get 130m.
We then exchange rods, you cast with my exage and get 130m where I get 150m.
different rods suit different casting styles.
I make no difference between the price of rods nor the brand.
try a couple of rods and see what gives you (personally) the best distance.
I use a Seagrande rod to cast a 5 or 6oz sinker with a cob bait (bait approx always the same size)
I have a Waft (8oz) I use for shark fishing - again it suits the bait I make and my casting style.
For my Galjoen set-up I use a Exage 110H.
3 different brands - but they work for me.
My angling buddy is sold on Purglass/3. I cannot get close to his distance when casting his rods, he again cannot load the Waft
Willis
My experience ;
We talk about carp rods and distance casting.
To get to this distance over 160m , many factors are involved.
PRACTICE: I would say 60 % is your practice. I cannot cast even 120 m with overhead cast but with surf style where I face water with my back , then swing the trace and when further out start loading the rod while turning to face water. Then, yes you get that distance.
ROD: Then you have to have rod that has to be suited for you - Enigma answered you on this correctly . The lighter the better but also you need to be confident in that rod that you can kick the max out of it without braking it - so you need quality rod too, and best is custom made for you.
I even cracked spigot while practicing, and not to mention how many sinkers were snapped off.
REEL: Then also reel is important as well your main line and leader. Longer conical shape spool with very thin braid and thicker mono as leader
WIND: Strong side or front wind - like on Vaal dam , you can forget about that distance
BIONIC FINGER: It helps after mastering it . Helps with heavier sinkers 100-150gr which you have to use to get there. With millie bom you wont get that distance.
So in short , to get to that extra distance will cost you quiet a bit while bait boat will be cheaper solution for sure and even better for night as casting long distance at night is a another thing as you have no clue where did you throw your bait .
My 2c
My experience ;
We talk about carp rods and distance casting.
To get to this distance over 160m , many factors are involved.
PRACTICE: I would say 60 % is your practice. I cannot cast even 120 m with overhead cast but with surf style where I face water with my back , then swing the trace and when further out start loading the rod while turning to face water. Then, yes you get that distance.
ROD: Then you have to have rod that has to be suited for you - Enigma answered you on this correctly . The lighter the better but also you need to be confident in that rod that you can kick the max out of it without braking it - so you need quality rod too, and best is custom made for you.
I even cracked spigot while practicing, and not to mention how many sinkers were snapped off.
REEL: Then also reel is important as well your main line and leader. Longer conical shape spool with very thin braid and thicker mono as leader
WIND: Strong side or front wind - like on Vaal dam , you can forget about that distance
BIONIC FINGER: It helps after mastering it . Helps with heavier sinkers 100-150gr which you have to use to get there. With millie bom you wont get that distance.
So in short , to get to that extra distance will cost you quiet a bit while bait boat will be cheaper solution for sure and even better for night as casting long distance at night is a another thing as you have no clue where did you throw your bait .
My 2c
fishy_fishy
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Question: how does one measure the distance casted? Is there a tool that one can use.?
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