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surfaMIKE

Senior Member
remlin wrote:
Yo Yo - to all the surfer dudes on Sealine.Just teasing as i believe everybody has the right to share the ocean.It belongs to everyone and not just fisherman but it is also a give and take situation where peeps need to use common sense - if a fisherman arrives at a spot and sees that there are surfers there then he must move to the next spot and it must also work vice versa.

I just gave an example on my top thread of something that could happen if both parties are oblivious to the fact of each other in the same spot.I seriously don't think you going to get a fisherman whose going to stand there and throw sinkers at the surfers, it's just a statement of sarcasim. We fisherman also get aggrivated as the surfers do cause we just wanna get a good day of fishing done same like how the surfers wanna catch or ride that perfect wave.....
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1)But that doesnt happen! I can give countless examples of douchbags on the piers who throw right next to the surfers, whereas they could actually just move 50m up the pier and catch their damn shad there! Fish move, but waves tend to break in the same place

2)You will definitely find fishermen aiming to hit surfers in Richards Bay. Any surfer there will tell you that alot of the fishermen on those piers are scum, and really do aim at you with their sinkers. They shouldnt even be fishing near them. I had a sinker hit the water not even 10cm away from me when surfing. One of the surfers actually got hit that day on his back. Does anyone know how sore that is? More importantly how dangerous that is? He was just calmly paddling out. WTF? That day baseball bats where coming out

I also doubt a surfer will be able to hear you telling him to move when you 100m away on the shore and hes in the water. We cant even hear each other next to each other because of the rumble of the waves. So instead of thinking hes arrogantly ignoring you, because in actual fact, chances are he cant hear you, move off if he doesnt want to. How much effort does it take to do that?
 
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Riaandl

Sealiner
Vasbait maybe this is the forum for you....

http://www.surfing-waves.com/forum/

No that you other input on this site is to bad.
 
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Vasbait

New member
That site looks nice but sealine has its crew of Masters. Their advice on fishing our south african coast is something to be proud.
 
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Riaandl

Sealiner
Vasbait wrote:
Riandl , would you do that sought of thing ?
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Vasbait I believe in world piece. I do not cast a sinker in a surfers direction, I don't fish if there are surfers in the water and I don't have a problem with a surfer.

But if I am fishing a spot at he have the guts to surf in front of me and over my line I will not move. Have seen what happens if a surfer surfs into a line.::S::S
 
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Marthin

Sealiner
surfaMIKE wrote:
remlin wrote:
Yo Yo - to all the surfer dudes on Sealine.Just teasing as i believe everybody has the right to share the ocean.It belongs to everyone and not just fisherman but it is also a give and take situation where peeps need to use common sense - if a fisherman arrives at a spot and sees that there are surfers there then he must move to the next spot and it must also work vice versa.

I just gave an example on my top thread of something that could happen if both parties are oblivious to the fact of each other in the same spot.I seriously don't think you going to get a fisherman whose going to stand there and throw sinkers at the surfers, it's just a statement of sarcasim. We fisherman also get aggrivated as the surfers do cause we just wanna get a good day of fishing done same like how the surfers wanna catch or ride that perfect wave.....
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1)But that doesnt happen! I can give countless examples of douchbags on the piers who throw right next to the surfers, whereas they could actually just move 50m up the pier and catch their damn shad there! Fish move, but waves tend to break in the same place

2)You will definitely find fishermen aiming to hit surfers in Richards Bay. Any surfer there will tell you that alot of the fishermen on those piers are scum, and really do aim at you with their sinkers. They shouldnt even be fishing near them. I had a sinker hit the water not even 10cm away from me when surfing. One of the surfers actually got hit that day on his back. Does anyone know how sore that is? More importantly how dangerous that is? He was just calmly paddling out. WTF? That day baseball bats where coming out

I also doubt a surfer will be able to hear you telling him to move when you 100m away on the shore and hes in the water. We cant even hear each other next to each other because of the rumble of the waves. So instead of thinking hes arrogantly ignoring you, because in actual fact, chances are he cant hear you, move off if he doesnt want to. How much effort does it take to do that?
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Mike....

All is cool with what u saying... until this last sentence...

1.  On the Cape West coast, fish don't just swim around every corner... there are specific spots.  If you have to "pack up and move" chances are good you might have to drive 50km plus to find fish... in fact if you do get into fish, everything short of the 2nd coming will struggle to move me from that spot....

2.  Fishing for galjoen in particular (something you don't have in durbs), they don't swim around in 2ft slop... they like it big... in fact bigger is most often better... some of the best gallies last year i know of came out in rolling 6m waves coming in....  They actually dig a really nice reef break....   the one post you did above talking about wind/sandbanks/reef etc creating the perfect conditions for surfing.... i'll almost guarantee you if you chose those conditions in the western/southern cape.... it will likely co-inside with perfect galjoen conditions....

3.  Kite surfers in particular is my main pain... especially in langebaan... if you read my other posts... certain places unfortunately like langebaan.... if the fish are there you will simply waste your time going to any other spot.  so much so that even the boat anglers will move in closer.  perfect conditions usually co-inside with kitesurfer conditions...

unfortunately in these instances, galjoen and or stump/elf at langebaan, any fish on the west coast.... it will probably take a baseball bat to get me to move... and more than one guy weilding it......  It's about respect.  I got no problem sharing... but the second time a surfer drops in on your wave while you are surfing, you are bound to give him a talking to.  Fishermen just want the same respect.  When i did surf a little at bigbay... i remember the surfers disliked the bodyboarders immensely... the used to just drop in on your wave because the can pick it up quicker, and you either had to bail or run them over..... well after a guy took a surfboard over one's head and he needed stitches, bodyboarders grew some respect at that spot.....
 
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rofflign

Sealiner
Marthin wrote:
those old cone sinkers are good for something....

Once at melkbos i told this one kayak fisherman... don't go stop right in front of the bamboes, you might feel a 7 ounce... well perhaps he thought i was bragging, perhaps i got in my one and only perfect cast...

The sinker and bait fell about 2m to his right... well he looked up bewildered, and then moved off with great haste...

Jet skiers in langebaan and kite surfers... genetically very close to that green stuff that grows on a piece of bait you forgot in the bait box for a week....
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I had my own episode at this spot, I had just landed a kob  and was baiting up, when I turned  to cast there was a kayak parked slap bang in the middle of my zone! the a$$h*le (seeing me hook a fish) had paddled out of the kelp while I was not looking, needless to say I casted about 15m next to him and he still refused to budge, luckily sanity prevailed or I might be writing this from a jail cell, these guys don't seem to realise that there is an unwritten rule..ANYWHERE WITHIN CASTING RANGE DIRECTLY IN  FRONT OF A SHORE ANGLER IS HIS AREA IF HE WAS THERE FIRST, GO AND FIND YOUR OWN SPOT THE SEA IS BIG!!!
 
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rofflign

Sealiner
Surfers I have no problem with,most of them are really considerate and are always quick to chat or share a joke on the beach.On the westcoast we are not even sharing the same area, as the okes mainly surf the backline and the fish are found closer to shore, kitesurfers on the other hand.....
 
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surfaMIKE

Senior Member
Marthin wrote:
surfaMIKE wrote:
remlin wrote:
Yo Yo - to all the surfer dudes on Sealine.Just teasing as i believe everybody has the right to share the ocean.It belongs to everyone and not just fisherman but it is also a give and take situation where peeps need to use common sense - if a fisherman arrives at a spot and sees that there are surfers there then he must move to the next spot and it must also work vice versa.

I just gave an example on my top thread of something that could happen if both parties are oblivious to the fact of each other in the same spot.I seriously don't think you going to get a fisherman whose going to stand there and throw sinkers at the surfers, it's just a statement of sarcasim. We fisherman also get aggrivated as the surfers do cause we just wanna get a good day of fishing done same like how the surfers wanna catch or ride that perfect wave.....
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1)But that doesnt happen! I can give countless examples of douchbags on the piers who throw right next to the surfers, whereas they could actually just move 50m up the pier and catch their damn shad there! Fish move, but waves tend to break in the same place

2)You will definitely find fishermen aiming to hit surfers in Richards Bay. Any surfer there will tell you that alot of the fishermen on those piers are scum, and really do aim at you with their sinkers. They shouldnt even be fishing near them. I had a sinker hit the water not even 10cm away from me when surfing. One of the surfers actually got hit that day on his back. Does anyone know how sore that is? More importantly how dangerous that is? He was just calmly paddling out. WTF? That day baseball bats where coming out

I also doubt a surfer will be able to hear you telling him to move when you 100m away on the shore and hes in the water. We cant even hear each other next to each other because of the rumble of the waves. So instead of thinking hes arrogantly ignoring you, because in actual fact, chances are he cant hear you, move off if he doesnt want to. How much effort does it take to do that?
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Mike....

All is cool with what u saying... until this last sentence...

1.  On the Cape West coast, fish don't just swim around every corner... there are specific spots.  If you have to "pack up and move" chances are good you might have to drive 50km plus to find fish... in fact if you do get into fish, everything short of the 2nd coming will struggle to move me from that spot....

2.  Fishing for galjoen in particular (something you don't have in durbs), they don't swim around in 2ft slop... they like it big... in fact bigger is most often better... some of the best gallies last year i know of came out in rolling 6m waves coming in....  They actually dig a really nice reef break....   the one post you did above talking about wind/sandbanks/reef etc creating the perfect conditions for surfing.... i'll almost guarantee you if you chose those conditions in the western/southern cape.... it will likely co-inside with perfect galjoen conditions....

3.  Kite surfers in particular is my main pain... especially in langebaan... if you read my other posts... certain places unfortunately like langebaan.... if the fish are there you will simply waste your time going to any other spot.  so much so that even the boat anglers will move in closer.  perfect conditions usually co-inside with kitesurfer conditions...

unfortunately in these instances, galjoen and or stump/elf at langebaan, any fish on the west coast.... it will probably take a baseball bat to get me to move... and more than one guy weilding it......  It's about respect.  I got no problem sharing... but the second time a surfer drops in on your wave while you are surfing, you are bound to give him a talking to.  Fishermen just want the same respect.  When i did surf a little at bigbay... i remember the surfers disliked the bodyboarders immensely... the used to just drop in on your wave because the can pick it up quicker, and you either had to bail or run them over..... well after a guy took a surfboard over one's head and he needed stitches, bodyboarders grew some respect at that spot.....
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Ok. Fair

Just like Daiwa vs Shimano, this topic of surfers vs fishermen will never go away
 
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adam5016

Sealiner
surfaMIKE wrote:
Marthin wrote:
surfaMIKE wrote:
remlin wrote:
Yo Yo - to all the surfer dudes on Sealine.Just teasing as i believe everybody has the right to share the ocean.It belongs to everyone and not just fisherman but it is also a give and take situation where peeps need to use common sense - if a fisherman arrives at a spot and sees that there are surfers there then he must move to the next spot and it must also work vice versa.

I just gave an example on my top thread of something that could happen if both parties are oblivious to the fact of each other in the same spot.I seriously don't think you going to get a fisherman whose going to stand there and throw sinkers at the surfers, it's just a statement of sarcasim. We fisherman also get aggrivated as the surfers do cause we just wanna get a good day of fishing done same like how the surfers wanna catch or ride that perfect wave.....
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1)But that doesnt happen! I can give countless examples of douchbags on the piers who throw right next to the surfers, whereas they could actually just move 50m up the pier and catch their damn shad there! Fish move, but waves tend to break in the same place

2)You will definitely find fishermen aiming to hit surfers in Richards Bay. Any surfer there will tell you that alot of the fishermen on those piers are scum, and really do aim at you with their sinkers. They shouldnt even be fishing near them. I had a sinker hit the water not even 10cm away from me when surfing. One of the surfers actually got hit that day on his back. Does anyone know how sore that is? More importantly how dangerous that is? He was just calmly paddling out. WTF? That day baseball bats where coming out

I also doubt a surfer will be able to hear you telling him to move when you 100m away on the shore and hes in the water. We cant even hear each other next to each other because of the rumble of the waves. So instead of thinking hes arrogantly ignoring you, because in actual fact, chances are he cant hear you, move off if he doesnt want to. How much effort does it take to do that?
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Mike....

All is cool with what u saying... until this last sentence...

1.  On the Cape West coast, fish don't just swim around every corner... there are specific spots.  If you have to "pack up and move" chances are good you might have to drive 50km plus to find fish... in fact if you do get into fish, everything short of the 2nd coming will struggle to move me from that spot....

2.  Fishing for galjoen in particular (something you don't have in durbs), they don't swim around in 2ft slop... they like it big... in fact bigger is most often better... some of the best gallies last year i know of came out in rolling 6m waves coming in....  They actually dig a really nice reef break....   the one post you did above talking about wind/sandbanks/reef etc creating the perfect conditions for surfing.... i'll almost guarantee you if you chose those conditions in the western/southern cape.... it will likely co-inside with perfect galjoen conditions....

3.  Kite surfers in particular is my main pain... especially in langebaan... if you read my other posts... certain places unfortunately like langebaan.... if the fish are there you will simply waste your time going to any other spot.  so much so that even the boat anglers will move in closer.  perfect conditions usually co-inside with kitesurfer conditions...

unfortunately in these instances, galjoen and or stump/elf at langebaan, any fish on the west coast.... it will probably take a baseball bat to get me to move... and more than one guy weilding it......  It's about respect.  I got no problem sharing... but the second time a surfer drops in on your wave while you are surfing, you are bound to give him a talking to.  Fishermen just want the same respect.  When i did surf a little at bigbay... i remember the surfers disliked the bodyboarders immensely... the used to just drop in on your wave because the can pick it up quicker, and you either had to bail or run them over..... well after a guy took a surfboard over one's head and he needed stitches, bodyboarders grew some respect at that spot.....
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Ok. Fair

Just like Daiwa vs Shimano, this topic of surfers vs fishermen will never go away
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only if we kill them all... ha, just kidding:fbash
 
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Riaandl

Sealiner
Surfamike. The issue between Shimano and Daiwa is one of personal choice. The one between surfers and fishermen is only because a lack of manners and respect (and that go visa versa).
 
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adam5016

Sealiner
surfaMIKE wrote:
Ya I know they different, but what Im saying is there will always be a war between the two
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there doesn't have to be. only if some surfers think like this

Vasbait wrote:
Remlin, because it doesnt effect the surfer if you there or not.You, on the otherhand want to kill them if they at your spot. Surfers jump off the rocks you stand on and enter the foodchain. Your swear words and flying sinkers are nothing to stop him from having a session.
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many times after it has happened that a surfer crosses my lines, he came ashore and apologized and moved 300m down the beach to a better spot. if he was there first I (and most of the fishermen I know) would not even have made a cast. the main thing is mutual respect, but some, not pointing fingers here, think they are better than the rest. and that goes for fishermen as well
 
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Cswhitehead

New member
Hi guys,
Im probably gonna take some sh1t for this but I am guilty of surfing infront of fisherman or two but iv seen/experienced plenty fisherman(mainly shad fishermen) casting at us especially off the pier in richards bay(its pretty obvious they casting at you when all of a sudden you have all the hooks and bait come off so they can cast bigger sinkers or perhaps this is just a new spinning technique i and unfamiliar with?) on many occasions we have been there first and the fishermen who are there before us usually fish further up the pier or beach. Many surfers get up at exactly the same time you do to get to the beach and chances are if they paddle out infront of where you are they probably had picked that spot they were going to surf the same time you picked the spot you were going to fish. If the wave is firing right infront of where you are fishing there is no point in getting angry or demanding that surfers must move cause its not going to happen you want to fish the best spot on the beach we want to surf the best spot on the beach. A fisherman can fish any part of the beach a surfer can only surf where the wave is breaking. Then again some surfers are total knobs and think they own the beach and can do what they want where they want( with these tosas i will help you and try to get them to paddle into your sinker as its about to hit the water). In my opinion its not only surfers its other fishermen(the ones that have to sit right on top of you and cast over your line or steal your spot after you have landed a shad and are busy baiting up again) the jet skis and boats (who make a point of riding over your line as they look straight at you) but i suppose this will always happen as long as we want to fish and surf or ride on the same waters. As a surfer and fishermen i try to respect and understand the surfers when fishing if the wave is really good where im fishing and a few surfers paddle out infront of me i will gladly pack up my stuff and move 50 or 100m up the beach to another bank or hole. When surfing i try my best not to surf the bank infront of fishermen and usually surf on the either side of them but if the wave is good right infront of fishermen i just cant help myself and surf infront of them. You have to surf to understand it, it would be like seeing a 15kg GT in the waves around a surfer, tell me you wouldnt have a cast at it?
 
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surfaMIKE

Senior Member
Chris you would know how many fishermen have chucked sinkers at us bru. It seems they have more fun throwing sinkers at us than catching fish. Dillan got smacked by a sinker. I hate those shad runs when the wave is cooking at the pier. I think Andrew nearly had a go at one fisherman, but that's only what Ive heard. Also how many fishermen slide their baits infront of surfers in sharky conditions? Cummon be a bit more responsible and slide further away
 
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Vasbait

New member
Adam5016 reakons its ok to fish amongst surfers. Its like hunting for rabbits in the park, what could be wrong with that ?
 
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adam5016

Sealiner
Vasbait wrote:
Adam5016 reakons its ok to fish amongst surfers. Its like hunting for rabbits in the park, what could be wrong with that ?
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once again your inability to understand my post astounds me

"if he was there first I (and most of the fishermen I know) would not even have made a cast"

are you seriously not understanding what I am saying or just picking a fight?
 
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Vasbait

New member
This is your post:
"On the left is a beach break and during holiday times I regularly get tangled with novice surfers."

What part am i not understanding ?
 
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previn

Member
well here at ansteys in durban, we don't have too much of a problem with surfers...mutual respect...but the divers...the divers just have no regard for anyone...a week ago a buddy of mine and myself just put out two live baits for kingies and a lekka crab hopingfor some brusher...and lo and behold three divers jump in the water and start scratching around in the holes where our baits are...jaslaaik...i wish I had a lekka 9 ounce then...he would probably have been scratching for his teeth after that...:ssswim:
 
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