I cant figure out what the problem is with the old

Arniston

Member
I don't know what it's like today but in the seventies and eighties when I lived in WP it was fine provided you were proficient in manners and skill...in those days because I fished often my casting skills were honed...even with a Penn 49 I could get 100 metres plus without overwinds and accurate  but today my skills have somewhat waned...it's very like golf...the more you practice the luckier you get as Gary Player was known to remark.

I'd be relunctant to go there now but for those you have the skills and etiquette and understand the rules it would I'm sure still be fine. I do most of my fishing on the Natal Coast and Transkei where I find the remotest of spots...I go fishing to get out of the rat-race and to find peace...fishing at Rooi Krantz is not a place to relax.
 

BTTB

Senior Member
Sorry for resuscitating an old thread but I need to say something important.

I was at Rooikranz today and am disgusted at the litter that was left there over the last few days, most likely this past weekend (7th & 8th of February 2015) by some very inconsiderate people.

Littering in a Nature Reserve at a premier fishing spot which is inaccessible for the Park Cleaners, I mean WTH.
Bottles, plastic and what ranks as the worst thing anyone can leave laying around, coils of nylon fishing line simply just left there?!

Never mind the grumpy old veterans of yesteryear, it was one of them today that picked up all that litter and put it in a bag for disposal.

It really riles me that people can be so stupid and slovenly. If you brought it down, take it back up with you!
There are no bins at Rooikranz, only at the parking area at the top of the mountain, so please take your rubbish back up with you, it is the right thing to do.

Grrr.
 

grootvis

Sealiner
BTTB wrote:
Sorry for resuscitating an old thread but I need to say something important.

I was at Rooikranz today and am disgusted at the litter that was left there over the last few days, most likely this past weekend (7th & 8th of February 2015) by some very inconsiderate people.

Littering in a Nature Reserve at a premier fishing spot which is inaccessible for the Park Cleaners, I mean WTH.
Bottles, plastic and what ranks as the worst thing anyone can leave laying around, coils of nylon fishing line simply just left there?!

Never mind the grumpy old veterans of yesteryear, it was one of them today that picked up all that litter and put it in a bag for disposal.

It really riles me that people can be so stupid and slovenly. If you brought it down, take it back up with you!
There are no bins at Rooikranz, only at the parking area at the top of the mountain, so please take your rubbish back up with you, it is the right thing to do.

Grrr.

That was one of the sole reasons i stopped going there, far too many amateurs and weekenders who dont give a rats @@@ about the place, but most importantly dont have a single bit of ETIQUETTE in there lousy bodies!!

I was chatting to a very legend old salt from Rooikraantz the other day, in conversation, he too was disgusted, and to know, that at least a handful of old regulars dont frequent there anymore, the rest that do , have tried to make it their castle with their own rocks, own man caves, its disgusting and the regulars that do go, should confront these idiots and make them leave with their rubbish, they claim it as their own ledges so, they must also maintain it as their own ledges!!!!
 

BTTB

Senior Member
It is difficult in this day and age to confront people to their faces unless you have back-up, in other words if everyone stood there looking at them and one person, lets say the spokesperson, says this is not on, they (the litterers) would have no option.

The problem in confronting someone would most certainly ruin your day leaving a bad taste in your mouth, that you had to teach Sub A (Grade 1) etiquette to a stranger who may comply or tell you to f-off.

Believe it or not, I go down for the relaxation, one day in the week even if I catch nothing is enough to unwind and let the worlds stresses part your body. The last thing I want is to start a verbal argument which could turn into a fight. Perhaps just picking up the rubbish after they leave is less stressful.

Simplistically littering is illegal, doing it within a nature reserve makes it unforgivable. People just need to take their rubbish back up with them in the same bag they brought it down with. That fishing line blowing around and falling into the sea can be the slow death of a sea animal, it is so unnecessary.
 

BTTB

Senior Member
Neville Heyns passed away today (30 June 2015) at around 18h00.

Neville was close to 80 and was still fishing from the ledges this past season.

For people who may not have known Neville, he was one of the veterans who started fishing at the Krantz back in the 1950s.
The last two years you could see the walk down the mountain and sheer effort of a day on the ledges took its toll and would tire quickly spending only a few hours before heading back home. I hear he deteriorated rapidly in the last few weeks from the big C.

For people who knew Neville, he lived to catch Yellowtail from the ledges and would easily succumb to Yellow Fever at the sight of even a fraction of nervous water behind his spinner/plug. He used to fish with a certain "gunslinger" stance and the closer in the fish would chase the lower he would bend his knees, often losing the plot if he missed a fish or someone threw over his line at His fish.
In all respects he was a gentleman in public, if you had met him on the street you would never of guessed he was a Rooikranz veteran with incurable Yellow Fever.

Personally, I enjoyed his energy and spirit and we would stand together often at the ledges chatting about the old days. They don't make them like Neville any more.

RIP Neville.
 

Captain Haddock

Senior Member
BTTB wrote:
Neville Heyns passed away today (30 June 2015) at around 18h00.

Neville was close to 80 and was still fishing from the ledges this past season.

For people who may not have known Neville, he was one of the veterans who started fishing at the Krantz back in the 1950s.
The last two years you could see the walk down the mountain and sheer effort of a day on the ledges took its toll and would tire quickly spending only a few hours before heading back home. I hear he deteriorated rapidly in the last few weeks from the big C.

For people who knew Neville, he lived to catch Yellowtail from the ledges and would easily succumb to Yellow Fever at the sight of even a fraction of nervous water behind his spinner/plug. He used to fish with a certain "gunslinger" stance and the closer in the fish would chase the lower he would bend his knees, often losing the plot if he missed a fish or someone threw over his line at His fish.
In all respects he was a gentleman in public, if you had met him on the street you would never of guessed he was a Rooikranz veteran with incurable Yellow Fever.

Personally, I enjoyed his energy and spirit and we would stand together often at the ledges chatting about the old days. They don't make them like Neville any more.

RIP Neville.
Thanks for the notification BTTB. I fished with Neville a few times in recent years at Sunny Cove and Simonstown, as he found it harder to get up and down the Kranz.

I would agree that despite his reputation as someone who never suffered fools lightly and had a sharp tongue, he was an absolute gentleman who showed a genuine interest in people, and was beyond passionate about the sport we all love so much.

RIP Neville, they don't make them like you anymore for sure.
 

Jr71

Senior Member
Any of u die hard rooikranz guys remember
Peter rayner from athlone (70t and 80t)
Round about that time
:cool:
 

grootvis

Sealiner
Yes,

Neville, i think having to deal with newbies there probably took a bigger toll....:)

Good man though, RIP. A solid rock amongst those solid ledges.
 

surfboy

New member
A friend and I fished Brandfontein beach this last week. We were standing 2 meters apart chatting, lines lying straight out at a small gap in front of a hole. Guy arrives, baits up pushes in between us, to the extent that we both had to politely break our conversation and quickly move aside to avoid getting dinged by his rod and sinker, then proceeds to slams a pensioner spike in the ankle deep water. This guy casts 50 meters and at least 15 meters over my line to the right. I politely said that maybe he should stand on my right as he was over my line....which he hadn't even noticed in full light at 15.00 in the afternoon. No answer, no hello, no apology....not even a smile or grunt. The beach is 4-5 kilometers long and at the time, there were only 6 rods on the entire beach....of which 2 were ours. I started a friendly chat with him and it became quite apparent that he had absolutely no idea that what he had just done was not really "cricket". After a polite 15 minutes, we quietly reeled in and moved 50 meters down to the next hole. I am getting on these days and unfortunately cannot tolerate bad manners on the beach any more. I have been fishing for 40 years and was taught by my father to first introduce myself and then ask if it was possible to throw the same hole. Following this principal, I have always been made welcome and have met many, many great people....some who are still good friends to this day. The etiquette that used to be around for years has now diminished.....forgotten....not passed on? To escape the frustration, I generally fish isolated spots, during the week, never weekends, never public holidays and try avoid school holidays. On returning to the car, my beach trolley had at least 2 kg of bait rubbish that I found on the beach and floating in the shore wash.

Having said all that.....I fished Rooikranz 30 years ago and unfortunately tend to agree that due to the particular space, nature and behavior of the tail.....fishermen need to understand the code of ethic that will certainly apply to that specialized spot. There will be newbies and like the gentleman at Brandfontein......sometimes they actually don't know any better...upbringing, culture, education, or just never been taught or mentored by an experienced fisherman. Sad....as it now restricts my fishing pleasure to weekdays and far away places.

grootvis wrote:
BTTB wrote:
Sorry for resuscitating an old thread but I need to say something important.

I was at Rooikranz today and am disgusted at the litter that was left there over the last few days, most likely this past weekend (7th & 8th of February 2015) by some very inconsiderate people.

Littering in a Nature Reserve at a premier fishing spot which is inaccessible for the Park Cleaners, I mean WTH.
Bottles, plastic and what ranks as the worst thing anyone can leave laying around, coils of nylon fishing line simply just left there?!

Never mind the grumpy old veterans of yesteryear, it was one of them today that picked up all that litter and put it in a bag for disposal.

It really riles me that people can be so stupid and slovenly. If you brought it down, take it back up with you!
There are no bins at Rooikranz, only at the parking area at the top of the mountain, so please take your rubbish back up with you, it is the right thing to do.

Grrr.

That was one of the sole reasons i stopped going there, far too many amateurs and weekenders who dont give a rats @@@ about the place, but most importantly dont have a single bit of ETIQUETTE in there lousy bodies!!

I was chatting to a very legend old salt from Rooikraantz the other day, in conversation, he too was disgusted, and to know, that at least a handful of old regulars dont frequent there anymore, the rest that do , have tried to make it their castle with their own rocks, own man caves, its disgusting and the regulars that do go, should confront these idiots and make them leave with their rubbish, they claim it as their own ledges so, they must also maintain it as their own ledges!!!!
 

Jr71

Senior Member
surfboy wrote:
A friend and I fished Brandfontein beach this last week. We were standing 2 meters apart chatting, lines lying straight out at a small gap in front of a hole. Guy arrives, baits up pushes in between us, to the extent that we both had to politely break our conversation and quickly move aside to avoid getting dinged by his rod and sinker, then proceeds to slams a pensioner spike in the ankle deep water. This guy casts 50 meters and at least 15 meters over my line to the right. I politely said that maybe he should stand on my right as he was over my line....which he hadn't even noticed in full light at 15.00 in the afternoon. No answer, no hello, no apology....not even a smile or grunt. The beach is 4-5 kilometers long and at the time, there were only 6 rods on the entire beach....of which 2 were ours. I started a friendly chat with him and it became quite apparent that he had absolutely no idea that what he had just done was not reall




"cricket". After a polite 15 minutes, we quietly reeled in and moved 50
meters down to the next hole. I am getting on these days and
unfortunately cannot tolerate bad manners on the beach any more. I
have been fishing for 40 years and was taught by my father to first introduce myself and then ask if it was possible to throw the same hole. Following this principal, I have always been made welcome and have met many, many great people....some who are still good friends to this day. The etiquette that used to be around for years has now diminished.....forgotten....not passed on? To escape the frustration, I generally fish isolated spots, during the week, never weekends, never public holidays and try avoid school holidays. On returning to the car, my beach trolley had at least 2 kg of bait rubbish that I found on the beach and floating in the shore wash.

Having said all that.....I fished Rooikranz 30 years ago and unfortunately tend to agree that due to the particular space, nature and behavior of the tail.....fishermen need to understand the code of ethic that will certainly apply to that specialized spot. There will be newbies and like the gentleman at Brandfontein......sometimes they actually don't know any better...upbringing, culture, education, or just never been taught or mentored by an experienced fisherman. Sad....as it now restricts my fishing pleasure to weekdays and far away places.

grootvis wrote:
BTTB wrote:
Sorry for resuscitating an old thread but I need to say something important.

I was at Rooikranz today and am disgusted at the litter that was left there over the last few days, most likely this past weekend (7th & 8th of February 2015) by some very inconsiderate people.

Littering in a Nature Reserve at a premier fishing spot which is inaccessible for the Park Cleaners, I mean WTH.
Bottles, plastic and what ranks as the worst thing anyone can leave laying around, coils of nylon fishing line simply just left there?!

Never mind the grumpy old veterans of yesteryear, it was one of them today that picked up all that litter and put it in a bag for disposal.

It really riles me that people can be so stupid and slovenly. If you brought it down, take it back up with you!
There are no bins at Rooikranz, only at the parking area at the top of the mountain, so please take your rubbish back up with you, it is the right thing to do.

Grrr.

That was one of the sole reasons i stopped going there, far too many amateurs and weekenders who dont give a rats @@@ about the place, but most importantly dont have a single bit of ETIQUETTE in there lousy bodies!!

I was chatting to a very legend old salt from Rooikraantz the other day, in conversation, he too was disgusted, and to know, that at least a handful of old regulars dont frequent there anymore, the rest that do , have tried to make it their castle with their own rocks, own man caves, its disgusting and the regulars that do go, should confront these idiots and make them leave with their rubbish, they claim it as their own ledges so, they must also maintain it as their own ledges!!!!


Grootvis and surfboy I share ur sentiments
Its rude to rock up don't greet with a beach of 1 or 2 km
And pitch inbetween other anglers and casting over ur lines
Invading ur space and spoiling a good outing
I know the beach is for all but employ some good manners and it will be returned
::tight:
 

BTTB

Senior Member
BTTB wrote:
Sorry for resuscitating an old thread but I need to say something important.

I was at Rooikranz today and am disgusted at the litter that was left there over the last few days, most likely this past weekend (7th & 8th of February 2015) by some very inconsiderate people.

Littering in a Nature Reserve at a premier fishing spot which is inaccessible for the Park Cleaners, I mean WTH.
Bottles, plastic and what ranks as the worst thing anyone can leave laying around, coils of nylon fishing line simply just left there?!

Never mind the grumpy old veterans of yesteryear, it was one of them today that picked up all that litter and put it in a bag for disposal.

It really riles me that people can be so stupid and slovenly. If you brought it down, take it back up with you!
There are no bins at Rooikranz, only at the parking area at the top of the mountain, so please take your rubbish back up with you, it is the right thing to do.

Grrr.
BTTB wrote:
It is difficult in this day and age to confront people to their faces unless you have back-up, in other words if everyone stood there looking at them and one person, lets say the spokesperson, says this is not on, they (the litterers) would have no option.

The problem in confronting someone would most certainly ruin your day leaving a bad taste in your mouth, that you had to teach Sub A (Grade 1) etiquette to a stranger who may comply or tell you to f-off.

Believe it or not, I go down for the relaxation, one day in the week even if I catch nothing is enough to unwind and let the worlds stresses part your body. The last thing I want is to start a verbal argument which could turn into a fight. Perhaps just picking up the rubbish after they leave is less stressful.

Simplistically littering is illegal, doing it within a nature reserve makes it unforgivable. People just need to take their rubbish back up with them in the same bag they brought it down with. That fishing line blowing around and falling into the sea can be the slow death of a sea animal, it is so unnecessary.
Hi Guys.

Once again we are back where we started. I have managed to identify some of the litterers at Rooikrantz.
First clue was at the end of last season, climbing up the mountain and entering the car park, lo and behold the two guys just ahead of us climbed into their car and threw a paper cup onto the tar just before they drove away.
OK, so we have moved on to the next season and with this in my memory I have now kept my eyes on these individuals and two weeks ago they left their area in a mess with gut (unforgivable) a plastic bottle and general trash. I picked up the mess and took it home.
Yesterday, Saturday 24th of October 2015, these same individuals left gut behind (unforgivable), a huge plastic spool, several plastic bottles, wrappings of fish and chips and other papers. I had no idea of the mess until one of the guys asked me for a plastic bag to pick up the mess they left.

I mean what the heck, do I have to spoil my day and approach these people with our grievance of simple common decency, something that is taught to preschool children. Teaching grown men not to litter is not my idea of fun, it will most certainly spoil my day and create unnecessary friction.

My late brother would have simply told them this, I am going to F u up, end of story.....
 

grootvis

Sealiner
Nothing gets my hair up as much as that. Maybe, try take a pic, undercover of them with there rubbish, you could inform the local authority, maybe they can be banned from the park, or post it on sealine and we will make it come to light...lol and you remain anonymous.

They are regulars and I wouldnt mind knowing who they are!
 

grootvis

Sealiner
Did you have to post that site, I hate looking at it, especially that pic of the yellowtail!

Such a pity that the SA brain mentality is what it is! No doubt we have lots to learn....:)
 
Good article! It is interesting to see that they even pay homage to where it all began.. at cape point. Too bad there are bad apples amongst those who still fish there who don't share the same respect for the spot and its heritage.

Nevermind fishing in some of the most amazing surroundings on the planet, and then you want to throw your old line spool on the ground and leave chip packets and plastic wrappers lying around? I don't get the mindset at all, I don't normally condone violence but littering in a beautiful place gets my blood boiling, in this case I agree and think the old ways of a PK is a lot more effective than reasoning with the unreasonable.
 

Captain Haddock

Senior Member
BTTB, I understand your reluctance to approach these morons and ruin your day's fishing. I have had altercations at the Kranz with people who just cannot fish in a fair and responsible way, and it can and does ruin one's day.

Might I suggest, the next time you are there and these transgressors rock up, that you get 2 or 3 other guys together and then approach them as a group, as opposed to an individual. It need not be heavy-handed, just a firm and frank discussion that their behaviour will not be tolerated and that is how everyone feels.

Imagine if everyone carried on like that down there - the place would be a cesspit. This has happened at another formerly great and pristine spot, Die Saal, which nowadays is a rancid, smelly sh&thole thanks to a bunch of local regulars who cannot be bothered to carry their trash to the bins located less than 200m from the spot.

I also know who the guys are you are talking about. Sadly, on occasion when they have been approached they have pulled the race card. Lets not fall for that - Rooikranz is a special place, and anglers of all races have fished peacefully there for generations. These idiots must pick up, or piss off IMO.
 

Enzio

New member
Good Day Gents,

What are the prices to get into the reserve at Cape Point and will anybody be so kind as to direct me to good fishing spots from the reserve entrance.

PS. I promise I wont litter.
 

Captain Haddock

Senior Member
Enzio wrote:
Good Day Gents,

What are the prices to get into the reserve at Cape Point and will anybody be so kind as to direct me to good fishing spots from the reserve entrance.

PS. I promise I wont litter.
I stand to be corrected, but I think it is currently R135 per person to enter plus R55 to fish, making it rather expensive. I have a wildcard so not sure.

As for spots, depends on what you want to target. In summer your options are pretty limited to hottentot or yellowtail, in winter there are galjoen etc.
 
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