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Hey Noweeds and Kraken--Is there any other way that you could tell other than looking at the very rusted hook to tell how old it was ie wound or age of line still attached? Its just that I have seen countless times how quickly seawater can corrode whatever you throw at it , stainless included.It just takes longer thats all.
I suppose we can safely assume that barbless at least have a chance of dropping out.Saw a yellowtail at the aquarium diving down to the bottom , twisting onto its side and rubbing its head in the grit. It did this a few times in the space of possibly 30 minutes.I wonder if it is too much of an assumption to make that some species would actively try to remove an irritation and if that tail had had a barbless hook, I reckon he might have got it out pretty quickly if you ask me.So I suppose what I am getting at is the hope that fish could potentially be more sucessful in actively trying to remove a barbless irritation than a passive waiting around for it to rust out type of situation.Might very well be wishful thinking , but if strike to landing ratios are not detrimentally affected , as mentioned , then it becomes purely a personal mental thing.A bit of a hurdle it is too .I am understanding you correctly that the circles were barbless too? for bait fishing,I might personally be happier with that than a straight debarbed J hook! Unfortuantely I suspect that changing the barbed 5/0 trebles for barbless singles on my yellowtail plugs and spoons is going to be a bridge too far for the moment!I guess I will need try it to see though . I will wait till they are hitting anything that moves and then report back!!!
PS Kraken--Radical privilege to fish in that reserve. Its a 3 nautical mile wide reserve if I am not mistaken so thats a pretty decent width of water to conserve some reef breeding colonies.I take it you returned some decent numbers of just about every available Cape species?!!About 10 years ago, there was a commercial guy running out of Witsands who bragged about his forays into the reserve for redfish. From the way he talked, he wasnt the only one doing it. He called it the "Rose Garden" because of all the redfish.Red Stump Roman Dageraad .I wonder wether it is still policed as badly as back then.
I suppose we can safely assume that barbless at least have a chance of dropping out.Saw a yellowtail at the aquarium diving down to the bottom , twisting onto its side and rubbing its head in the grit. It did this a few times in the space of possibly 30 minutes.I wonder if it is too much of an assumption to make that some species would actively try to remove an irritation and if that tail had had a barbless hook, I reckon he might have got it out pretty quickly if you ask me.So I suppose what I am getting at is the hope that fish could potentially be more sucessful in actively trying to remove a barbless irritation than a passive waiting around for it to rust out type of situation.Might very well be wishful thinking , but if strike to landing ratios are not detrimentally affected , as mentioned , then it becomes purely a personal mental thing.A bit of a hurdle it is too .I am understanding you correctly that the circles were barbless too? for bait fishing,I might personally be happier with that than a straight debarbed J hook! Unfortuantely I suspect that changing the barbed 5/0 trebles for barbless singles on my yellowtail plugs and spoons is going to be a bridge too far for the moment!I guess I will need try it to see though . I will wait till they are hitting anything that moves and then report back!!!
PS Kraken--Radical privilege to fish in that reserve. Its a 3 nautical mile wide reserve if I am not mistaken so thats a pretty decent width of water to conserve some reef breeding colonies.I take it you returned some decent numbers of just about every available Cape species?!!About 10 years ago, there was a commercial guy running out of Witsands who bragged about his forays into the reserve for redfish. From the way he talked, he wasnt the only one doing it. He called it the "Rose Garden" because of all the redfish.Red Stump Roman Dageraad .I wonder wether it is still policed as badly as back then.
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This is indeed a interesting discussion. I know this is a long shot but I wish people will start to have the same outlook on large edibles. How is a 40kg kob more edible than some of our sharks. I can't see the reason why anyone want to kill such a big kob other than braging rights or kerrievis. A photo will do just as well it you want to show your fish off. I love edible and non-edible fishing and it kills me if I see a big kob being killed just to show off. I stopped buying Stywe Lyne as a result of this. In a issue last jear there was a bloke on a photo with 6 dead 15kg+ musselkrackers.(all of them caught by the same angler.) Yet they are the ones that are the first to cry when bagsizes are being implemented. I think it's time all editors ban the placing of photos of dead fish in their magazines. I not sure if it would help but it might be a good start.
just my 2cent's
Louis
This is indeed a interesting discussion. I know this is a long shot but I wish people will start to have the same outlook on large edibles. How is a 40kg kob more edible than some of our sharks. I can't see the reason why anyone want to kill such a big kob other than braging rights or kerrievis. A photo will do just as well it you want to show your fish off. I love edible and non-edible fishing and it kills me if I see a big kob being killed just to show off. I stopped buying Stywe Lyne as a result of this. In a issue last jear there was a bloke on a photo with 6 dead 15kg+ musselkrackers.(all of them caught by the same angler.) Yet they are the ones that are the first to cry when bagsizes are being implemented. I think it's time all editors ban the placing of photos of dead fish in their magazines. I not sure if it would help but it might be a good start.
just my 2cent's
Louis
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I'm not saying they led to a decline in shark numbers....what I implied is that the generation that these anglers 'spawned' (excuse the pun), led to organised R & S angling as we know it today. And still the main species being targeted in most comps today are some sort of specie of the shark familly (because of the better odds of gaining weight points). Hence the debate of the sport of targeting sharks, where exactly did it eminate from...and why it is still done today.
I'm not saying they led to a decline in shark numbers....what I implied is that the generation that these anglers 'spawned' (excuse the pun), led to organised R & S angling as we know it today. And still the main species being targeted in most comps today are some sort of specie of the shark familly (because of the better odds of gaining weight points). Hence the debate of the sport of targeting sharks, where exactly did it eminate from...and why it is still done today.
I once walked in to our local Fruit and Veg City here in Jhb.....to buy some fish (yes, us inland okes have to fork out R80 a kilo for fresh fish), ayways what do I see laying on a bed of ice....a fish with out a head, all fins and tail cut off. I inspected the one and a half meter carcass....it had signs of flukes at the base of the tail...dark in color on the back with a white underbelly. I felt the skin for signs of fish scales...stroked it head to tail very smooth, did same tail to head direction....very raspy.....SHAAAARRRKKKK!
When I enquired to gent behind the counter who was a bit bemused as to my lengthy inspection at the time, as to what type of fish this was....I get the answer swordfish....I said to him mate (in a load voice) u got a Mako Shark on your counter...
So guys, your local fish store could be selling u shark right under your nose....dunno the legalities....but then at least call it what it is...in the UK they sell openly the hound shark...I think they call it Tope.
The best I've seen is Kob being called "Cape salmon", "Kabeljou" and and of course "Kob"....all on the same counter...same fish labelled with different prices??
When I enquired to gent behind the counter who was a bit bemused as to my lengthy inspection at the time, as to what type of fish this was....I get the answer swordfish....I said to him mate (in a load voice) u got a Mako Shark on your counter...
So guys, your local fish store could be selling u shark right under your nose....dunno the legalities....but then at least call it what it is...in the UK they sell openly the hound shark...I think they call it Tope.
The best I've seen is Kob being called "Cape salmon", "Kabeljou" and and of course "Kob"....all on the same counter...same fish labelled with different prices??
please never ever adopt the concept of cutting line to release a fish. if you have been responsible for placing the bait in the water that hooked the fish, you are responsible for doing all you can to remove the hook and release the fish in a manner it which it can still feed unhindered...
Poenskop--Completely agree about large Kob, not that ive landed a decent sized one!It would go back though if I did.
AD -Missed you a bit on that one . So assuming it isnt a weight competition, one would possibly have to revert to a points for number of different species system or length to weight charts. Its the digital age. It costs absolutely nothing to take photos. Everybody has a digital camera and voila........back to the notebook at the clubhouse ....load images and youre in business.Just a thought...........
Mantis--Crap choice but if forced to choose between gaffing(even in a good area) and cutting leader as short as possible .....I go for leader.............In theory!!
AD -Missed you a bit on that one . So assuming it isnt a weight competition, one would possibly have to revert to a points for number of different species system or length to weight charts. Its the digital age. It costs absolutely nothing to take photos. Everybody has a digital camera and voila........back to the notebook at the clubhouse ....load images and youre in business.Just a thought...........
Mantis--Crap choice but if forced to choose between gaffing(even in a good area) and cutting leader as short as possible .....I go for leader.............In theory!!
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Re: the Great WHite shark with the gaff in its throat/neck. Just some advice. Most of the GWS's i've encountered, WILL become very violent if provoked. Gaffing him from a boat with a short gaff would cuase the shark to become violent. Possibly holing the boat on even leaping into the boat!! Contrary to popular belief, GWS's are VERY unpredictable and have a violent streak in them.
If you really want to scare yourself, check out a fishing book called "STRIKE". The Schoeman brothers wrote this book, which by the way, is a MUST have for any angler!! They have a chapter called "Shark, the Menace" in the back of the book. Tales of how agressive these GWS are, holing boats, leaping into boats, attacking boats, etc. Really scary stuff!!
Here's a couple of pic's of GWS. This pic was taken a few weeks ago when this shark grabbed another smaller shark, biting it in half. It then came back and grabed the other part, smashing into the boat in the process. I only managed to get the camera out as the shark was swimming away.....
Re: the Great WHite shark with the gaff in its throat/neck. Just some advice. Most of the GWS's i've encountered, WILL become very violent if provoked. Gaffing him from a boat with a short gaff would cuase the shark to become violent. Possibly holing the boat on even leaping into the boat!! Contrary to popular belief, GWS's are VERY unpredictable and have a violent streak in them.
If you really want to scare yourself, check out a fishing book called "STRIKE". The Schoeman brothers wrote this book, which by the way, is a MUST have for any angler!! They have a chapter called "Shark, the Menace" in the back of the book. Tales of how agressive these GWS are, holing boats, leaping into boats, attacking boats, etc. Really scary stuff!!
Here's a couple of pic's of GWS. This pic was taken a few weeks ago when this shark grabbed another smaller shark, biting it in half. It then came back and grabed the other part, smashing into the boat in the process. I only managed to get the camera out as the shark was swimming away.....
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With regard to determining length of time it takes for a hook to rust away,I have to plead complete ignorance on this one.Who knows?
The circle hooks used in the pelagic longline fishery tend to be very heavy gauge and as far as I can recall did appear to be barbless.These hooks are really serious pieces of hardware and target primarily large pelagics such as yellowfin and billfish.
Ja Ajay, angling in De Hoop has been without a doubt the highlight of my shore angling career.Ever read a book by C Leo Biden(Angling Fishes Of The Cape-first published in the 1920's)?
It was books like these and hearing stories from my Gran and aunts and uncles who fished in Hermanus and other places on the SA coast before the First World War-(thats the bloody turn of the 20th century!) that made me realise just how much destruction had been wrought on our inshore species.How I dreamt of building a time machine!
Fishing in De Hoop gave me a taste of how things were in those long gone days.All hats off to people like Dr Colin Attwood who runs the ongoing tagging project.There is absolutely no doubt that Marine Protected Areas work.Nature has an amazing capacity to rebuild.
I think the reserve is fairly well patrolled.It is bordered on the western side by the Overberg Test Range and as such is well patrolled from the air.Fact is someone will always find a way round.Shore angling is verboten and the ban is well enforced.
Re the sword at the local supermarket-well,interestingly the broadbill swordfish does indeed have rough shark- like skin.What you described could very well have been a sword.This fish is quite common at many fish shops down here in the Cape.Find the right shop and you will pay as little as R29 a kilo-although having a portugeuse wife does help!
The fact that it was mentioned in an earlier post that sharks are inedible reminded me of one of the porra skippers I fished with.In the deep off the Cape you get small black shark with green eyes which comes up on the hake long lines or in the trawl nets.To this old salt these were a delicacy-dried nogal! No thanx dudes,I'll stick to yellowfin stomach cut in strips and fried with periperi.Different strokes for different folks!
The circle hooks used in the pelagic longline fishery tend to be very heavy gauge and as far as I can recall did appear to be barbless.These hooks are really serious pieces of hardware and target primarily large pelagics such as yellowfin and billfish.
Ja Ajay, angling in De Hoop has been without a doubt the highlight of my shore angling career.Ever read a book by C Leo Biden(Angling Fishes Of The Cape-first published in the 1920's)?
It was books like these and hearing stories from my Gran and aunts and uncles who fished in Hermanus and other places on the SA coast before the First World War-(thats the bloody turn of the 20th century!) that made me realise just how much destruction had been wrought on our inshore species.How I dreamt of building a time machine!
Fishing in De Hoop gave me a taste of how things were in those long gone days.All hats off to people like Dr Colin Attwood who runs the ongoing tagging project.There is absolutely no doubt that Marine Protected Areas work.Nature has an amazing capacity to rebuild.
I think the reserve is fairly well patrolled.It is bordered on the western side by the Overberg Test Range and as such is well patrolled from the air.Fact is someone will always find a way round.Shore angling is verboten and the ban is well enforced.
Re the sword at the local supermarket-well,interestingly the broadbill swordfish does indeed have rough shark- like skin.What you described could very well have been a sword.This fish is quite common at many fish shops down here in the Cape.Find the right shop and you will pay as little as R29 a kilo-although having a portugeuse wife does help!
The fact that it was mentioned in an earlier post that sharks are inedible reminded me of one of the porra skippers I fished with.In the deep off the Cape you get small black shark with green eyes which comes up on the hake long lines or in the trawl nets.To this old salt these were a delicacy-dried nogal! No thanx dudes,I'll stick to yellowfin stomach cut in strips and fried with periperi.Different strokes for different folks!