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Ianzo, Iam hijacking your thread slightly.
Nepps, I cannot agree with you more about tackle stores. I am living proof of the above.
I have the following set up for jigging,
Stella 6k
Trevala LM jigs up to ????120g????
Jigman 50lb braid.
Please, please help. Can you comment on the set up as a start. Please consider that the jigging that I have done off Durban rarely gets close to 100m. Our usual suspects are couta, various kingfish species, tropical yellowtail etc.
Please advise on jigs, and jig weights.
I feel frustrated that I have spent the money, and maybe it could have been spent better, with better advise.
Nepps, I cannot agree with you more about tackle stores. I am living proof of the above.
I have the following set up for jigging,
Stella 6k
Trevala LM jigs up to ????120g????
Jigman 50lb braid.
Please, please help. Can you comment on the set up as a start. Please consider that the jigging that I have done off Durban rarely gets close to 100m. Our usual suspects are couta, various kingfish species, tropical yellowtail etc.
Please advise on jigs, and jig weights.
I feel frustrated that I have spent the money, and maybe it could have been spent better, with better advise.
B8, I think that you have a better than decent setup mate. You may have wanted to look at the Trevala MH (85-200g) - my thought, but Stella is top of the line so great choice, and I haven't heard anything bad about Jigman braid - so again good choice.
Should handle most fish that eat your jigs in KZN.
The issues mentioned on this thread were mainly around the Shimano Blue Rose rods (top of the line and very, very pricey), and whether we were getting access to the SAME product as in the US and APAC. Huge question marks around this. I will buy mine direct from the States rather than get BS'd locally.
Should handle most fish that eat your jigs in KZN.
The issues mentioned on this thread were mainly around the Shimano Blue Rose rods (top of the line and very, very pricey), and whether we were getting access to the SAME product as in the US and APAC. Huge question marks around this. I will buy mine direct from the States rather than get BS'd locally.
I agree 100% with you Royboy, our local tackle stores are selling their clients short. From being a ignorant client base, we have become a highly well informed, knowing exactly what we should be getting.
The next step is getting the know-how in purchasing the product we want directly from the overseas market. Thats what our forum is going to help.
The next step is getting the know-how in purchasing the product we want directly from the overseas market. Thats what our forum is going to help.
Guys - My beef, as RB and I discussed on teh phone, is the lack of interest and knowledge from tackle stores... the onus is on them to push prioducts, and inform us of them, not the other way around... And to be knowledgable, and HONEST about products.
Case in point, the Rod RoyBoy is talking about, the Blue Rose at AA, is an awesome rod... one of the best, but it is an older model, discontinued over 2 years ago... Nohing worng with that, its still an insane stick, but don't try and sell it to me as just released and brand new....
Plus Shimano/Rapala VMC's response to RpyBoys query fter RB had proved him wrong about the rod, was to say that " Oh well you see, these rods are actually only availably to the US Market first for a year, then only we get them."
What a crock of Horse Sh*t.... the Blue Rose is NOT AVAILABLE IN THE US, and NEVER HAS BEEN, except through 1 importer who specializes in Japanese Tackle.... once again, here is the agent responsible for he product pushing and selling in the country, for a TOP BRAND like SHimano, basically just sprouting complete and utter bullsh*t out of his AR$E!!!
This is the stuff that pi$$es me off...
Learn your G0D damn products Tackle stores, and do some work for once rather than just sitting on your a$$ waiting for us to come and pay you for doing f0k all.
Jeez I'm glad its nearly the weekend....
Case in point, the Rod RoyBoy is talking about, the Blue Rose at AA, is an awesome rod... one of the best, but it is an older model, discontinued over 2 years ago... Nohing worng with that, its still an insane stick, but don't try and sell it to me as just released and brand new....
Plus Shimano/Rapala VMC's response to RpyBoys query fter RB had proved him wrong about the rod, was to say that " Oh well you see, these rods are actually only availably to the US Market first for a year, then only we get them."
What a crock of Horse Sh*t.... the Blue Rose is NOT AVAILABLE IN THE US, and NEVER HAS BEEN, except through 1 importer who specializes in Japanese Tackle.... once again, here is the agent responsible for he product pushing and selling in the country, for a TOP BRAND like SHimano, basically just sprouting complete and utter bullsh*t out of his AR$E!!!
This is the stuff that pi$$es me off...
Learn your G0D damn products Tackle stores, and do some work for once rather than just sitting on your a$$ waiting for us to come and pay you for doing f0k all.
Jeez I'm glad its nearly the weekend....
B8FISH - Sorry Brendan, in my tirade, I missed your post...
Bro that is a fine set up you have yourself there!
I take it the Trevala is the 7ft version right?
Great thing about this rod is that it doubles as a great rod for fishing soft plastics offhsore, as well as casting spoons and small poppers while also performing well as a jig stick! Great buy. Especially as a starting out set up.
Of course the Stella is a Rolls Royce , so you know you got a killer reel there. My Stellas accounted for 6 nice Yellowtal yesterday,and on Saturday past I think 8 or more.. and the drags are just insane, still blow me away everytime. So you set there.
The Trevalla is 7ft right? This is great for a light jigging stick, because you can really get a nice whipping action to the jigs, as well as yo yo them... when one moves up to heavier jigs, you need the shorter rods to help with the imparting of the action...
So fishing ligt jigs, in the 80 to 150 gram range, that set up will be great!
What I would do perhaps though, depending on current/depth is maybe go lighter on the Braid. Although Jigman is nice and skinny.... if there is alot of current, you either need heavy jigs, or very skinny line.... SO if you have a spare spool, then maybe some PE 3 would be great, as you won't be fishing heavy jigs...
But for most waters, the 80 to 150 gram jigs are all you need.
For deeper water, and faster currents, look for longer skinnier jigs, similar to a Shimano Butterfly Longs or other tail weighted jigs.
These sink fast, and work well wehn retrieved Mechanical Jigging ( MJ ) style. Tropical Yellowtail and your open water pelagics, as well as Couta etc will like these. And you can work them from medium pace to blinding fast.
If you are fishing over reef structure, I like a centre weighted jig, which has more of a fluttering action on the drop, and a shorter more darting acion on the retrieve. These types of jigs ofetn get hit on the drop, so watch the line on the drop.
These jigs also work better than the long jigs on a slower MJ style, as well as Yo-Yo style ( up down with sweeps of the rod tip ) and can also be fished fast... They are great for bottoms like Rock Cod and Snapper.... But rememeber if you fishing close to the bottom, be prepared to turn that fish fast!
A good method to try over good reef structure, an allows you to fish the whole water colmn, is to drop your jig all the way to the bottom, then engage your reel and do a couple yo yo style sweeps with the rod, keeping th jig just on the bottom or a few metres off it....
If you get no action after about 10 seconds then start a slow to medium MJ for the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the water coloumn and then move the pace up to as fast as you can...
This basically targets 3 different fish/areas on the same drop... Its a great prospecting technique to see whats around.. You could pick up Rock Cod, Snapper and other bottomfish near th bottom, then maybe Tropical Yellowtail, Snapper and other reef cruising pelagics like Kingfish, Jobfish, and Couta with your flat out speed finish searching for speedsters like Wahoo and Couta.
If you know what species you are targeting, and where they are, then you can spend more time zoning a target area, but the above method works well for searching and prospecting.
One thing about jigging too, which shouldn't be ignored and is one of its biggest advantages.
Its quick to get a lure down, so if you are trolling or cruising and you are watching your echo/fishfinder and you see a ridge, hump, ledge or some form of attractive bottom structure, stop, and drop a jig.... sometimes all it takes is one drop to see if there are fish there or not.... take two drops, and if nothing happens, then move on... this way you really can put together a network of great spots tha will produce.
Hope some of this info helps...
Respect
Nepps
Bro that is a fine set up you have yourself there!
I take it the Trevala is the 7ft version right?
Great thing about this rod is that it doubles as a great rod for fishing soft plastics offhsore, as well as casting spoons and small poppers while also performing well as a jig stick! Great buy. Especially as a starting out set up.
Of course the Stella is a Rolls Royce , so you know you got a killer reel there. My Stellas accounted for 6 nice Yellowtal yesterday,and on Saturday past I think 8 or more.. and the drags are just insane, still blow me away everytime. So you set there.
The Trevalla is 7ft right? This is great for a light jigging stick, because you can really get a nice whipping action to the jigs, as well as yo yo them... when one moves up to heavier jigs, you need the shorter rods to help with the imparting of the action...
So fishing ligt jigs, in the 80 to 150 gram range, that set up will be great!
What I would do perhaps though, depending on current/depth is maybe go lighter on the Braid. Although Jigman is nice and skinny.... if there is alot of current, you either need heavy jigs, or very skinny line.... SO if you have a spare spool, then maybe some PE 3 would be great, as you won't be fishing heavy jigs...
But for most waters, the 80 to 150 gram jigs are all you need.
For deeper water, and faster currents, look for longer skinnier jigs, similar to a Shimano Butterfly Longs or other tail weighted jigs.
These sink fast, and work well wehn retrieved Mechanical Jigging ( MJ ) style. Tropical Yellowtail and your open water pelagics, as well as Couta etc will like these. And you can work them from medium pace to blinding fast.
If you are fishing over reef structure, I like a centre weighted jig, which has more of a fluttering action on the drop, and a shorter more darting acion on the retrieve. These types of jigs ofetn get hit on the drop, so watch the line on the drop.
These jigs also work better than the long jigs on a slower MJ style, as well as Yo-Yo style ( up down with sweeps of the rod tip ) and can also be fished fast... They are great for bottoms like Rock Cod and Snapper.... But rememeber if you fishing close to the bottom, be prepared to turn that fish fast!
A good method to try over good reef structure, an allows you to fish the whole water colmn, is to drop your jig all the way to the bottom, then engage your reel and do a couple yo yo style sweeps with the rod, keeping th jig just on the bottom or a few metres off it....
If you get no action after about 10 seconds then start a slow to medium MJ for the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the water coloumn and then move the pace up to as fast as you can...
This basically targets 3 different fish/areas on the same drop... Its a great prospecting technique to see whats around.. You could pick up Rock Cod, Snapper and other bottomfish near th bottom, then maybe Tropical Yellowtail, Snapper and other reef cruising pelagics like Kingfish, Jobfish, and Couta with your flat out speed finish searching for speedsters like Wahoo and Couta.
If you know what species you are targeting, and where they are, then you can spend more time zoning a target area, but the above method works well for searching and prospecting.
One thing about jigging too, which shouldn't be ignored and is one of its biggest advantages.
Its quick to get a lure down, so if you are trolling or cruising and you are watching your echo/fishfinder and you see a ridge, hump, ledge or some form of attractive bottom structure, stop, and drop a jig.... sometimes all it takes is one drop to see if there are fish there or not.... take two drops, and if nothing happens, then move on... this way you really can put together a network of great spots tha will produce.
Hope some of this info helps...
Respect
Nepps
MIND BLOWING!!!! Nepps
The information that you share is unbelievable!!!
Thank you. Have some mana.
The main reason that i went with the trevala is because of my love for fishing soft plastics. I love using the 7 inch scented jerk shads and have been lucky to get 3oz and 4oz jigheads. The set up is used much the same as vertical jigging from the bottom to top working the whole water column. I make my own wind-ons with 0.90mm, 1.00mm, 1.2mm Fluoro. Between 2 to 4m long.
To get the plastic down, I cast the plastic ahead of the drift and let it sink. By the time the jighead is on or close to the bottom, the boat is generally directly above the plastic. Then I start the retrieve.
The biggest drawback is having fewer downs for a drift, but the action is normally good. The Trevala imparts a very good action on a 7 inch plastic, thus my choosing the Trevala.
Obviously I want to be able to adapt this set-up to do vertical jigging with irons. But which vertical jigs?
Are our tackle stores selling the correct product?
If they are, which, by brand name, are the correct jigs and in which situation should they be fished?
One last salvo, the 50lb Jigman that I have loaded on my Stella...I thought that it would be strong enough to hold a decent fish. Sadly not.Off Cape Vidal, Deep jigging a 7inch plastic on a drop off (50m dropping down to 75m), Stella drag cranked up to near max. Four whips off the bottom the jig was slammed, the rod nearly ripped out of my hands and the reel protesting as braid was stripped off the spool. Awesome power by the fish, but no chance of stopping it.....I was reefed before I could stop the fish.
Now is P3 Braid the same breaking class as 50lb braid? As I have not seen the product yet.
The information that you share is unbelievable!!!
Thank you. Have some mana.
The main reason that i went with the trevala is because of my love for fishing soft plastics. I love using the 7 inch scented jerk shads and have been lucky to get 3oz and 4oz jigheads. The set up is used much the same as vertical jigging from the bottom to top working the whole water column. I make my own wind-ons with 0.90mm, 1.00mm, 1.2mm Fluoro. Between 2 to 4m long.
To get the plastic down, I cast the plastic ahead of the drift and let it sink. By the time the jighead is on or close to the bottom, the boat is generally directly above the plastic. Then I start the retrieve.
The biggest drawback is having fewer downs for a drift, but the action is normally good. The Trevala imparts a very good action on a 7 inch plastic, thus my choosing the Trevala.
Obviously I want to be able to adapt this set-up to do vertical jigging with irons. But which vertical jigs?
Are our tackle stores selling the correct product?
If they are, which, by brand name, are the correct jigs and in which situation should they be fished?
One last salvo, the 50lb Jigman that I have loaded on my Stella...I thought that it would be strong enough to hold a decent fish. Sadly not.Off Cape Vidal, Deep jigging a 7inch plastic on a drop off (50m dropping down to 75m), Stella drag cranked up to near max. Four whips off the bottom the jig was slammed, the rod nearly ripped out of my hands and the reel protesting as braid was stripped off the spool. Awesome power by the fish, but no chance of stopping it.....I was reefed before I could stop the fish.
Now is P3 Braid the same breaking class as 50lb braid? As I have not seen the product yet.
B8FISH - PE 3 would be between 30 and 45 lb, depending on the Brand.. PE is a thickness measurment rather than breaking strain... It would allow you more line on the spool, but if you fishing where there are big nunus, the 50lb is a better option!! 
Glad you enjoying the trevala, lovely rods...
As to jig brands... not alot available, and the SHimano Butterfly flatsides are so over priced... but they are worth it, they do work!!! Have a look around... I'm not up in Durbs, so not sure what you guys have available...
I'm off to the Post office to go pick up some 7 and 9 inch plastics...New swivel Jig heads and some 7/0 Worm hooks.... some new goodies from NZ to test on our local waters....
Glad you enjoying the trevala, lovely rods...
As to jig brands... not alot available, and the SHimano Butterfly flatsides are so over priced... but they are worth it, they do work!!! Have a look around... I'm not up in Durbs, so not sure what you guys have available...
I'm off to the Post office to go pick up some 7 and 9 inch plastics...New swivel Jig heads and some 7/0 Worm hooks.... some new goodies from NZ to test on our local waters....
Brendan,
Berkley Gulp Jerks in 7 inch, and I've just picked up some Sluggo 9" and some samples of a new bait out of NZ called Wave Worms, which are also 9" and scented/flavoured like the Gulps, just much bigger!!
I wana fish them fo everything from Tuna, to Yellowtail and of course Leeries when they are keyed in on bigger live baits like Shad/Elf etc...
The Jig Heads are Jigstar Swivelheads. A Kiwi brand, developed and designed by Chris Wong, ho posts on here every now and again under ChrisW. He is the forefather of Jigging in NZ, and a master jigger and tackle fundi... I've learnt a huge amount from him, and wil hopefully be testing a new range of rods he has developed here in SA in the next few weeks tosee about suitability here in SA.
They are basiclly jig heads, which, instead f being mounted on a hook like regular heads, have two tie in points and a split ring out the back. This nablesyou to change hoo sizs quckly while keeping the same weight... so yo can fish different size baits... One can also fish Worm hooks, like the bass worm hooks, but much bigger saltwater versions like the Gamakatsu Monsters in 7/0, 9/0 and 11/0 ( unfortunately none available hee in SA!!) but I got a couple... This enablesyou to fis weedless inrocky areas, for anything....
Here is a shot of the Heads, sorry so small, only one I could find... I'll rig some and shoot some pics to show.
Testng tomorrow, so lets see....
Berkley Gulp Jerks in 7 inch, and I've just picked up some Sluggo 9" and some samples of a new bait out of NZ called Wave Worms, which are also 9" and scented/flavoured like the Gulps, just much bigger!!
I wana fish them fo everything from Tuna, to Yellowtail and of course Leeries when they are keyed in on bigger live baits like Shad/Elf etc...
The Jig Heads are Jigstar Swivelheads. A Kiwi brand, developed and designed by Chris Wong, ho posts on here every now and again under ChrisW. He is the forefather of Jigging in NZ, and a master jigger and tackle fundi... I've learnt a huge amount from him, and wil hopefully be testing a new range of rods he has developed here in SA in the next few weeks tosee about suitability here in SA.
They are basiclly jig heads, which, instead f being mounted on a hook like regular heads, have two tie in points and a split ring out the back. This nablesyou to change hoo sizs quckly while keeping the same weight... so yo can fish different size baits... One can also fish Worm hooks, like the bass worm hooks, but much bigger saltwater versions like the Gamakatsu Monsters in 7/0, 9/0 and 11/0 ( unfortunately none available hee in SA!!) but I got a couple... This enablesyou to fis weedless inrocky areas, for anything....
Here is a shot of the Heads, sorry so small, only one I could find... I'll rig some and shoot some pics to show.
Testng tomorrow, so lets see....
Hi Guys, nice thread going here.
Nepps, keep taking those vitamins man. You need to settle down a bit, let Dr.Chris send you a seditive by way of 3 jig rods to trial in a few weeks. There easy big fella.... calm now....
Looks like we got some work to do to swing around the SA tackle industry eh? Well mate, I have one, maybe two spare spots left on our November jig trip to the Ranfurly Banks. If you are keen please give me or Chopsticks a yell ASAP. If you can't make it and another forum member is interested please don't hold back. This will be a great intro to modern EXTREME JIGGING for anyone. Hell if you are short of gear then Uncle ChrisW can help out with loaners.
Back to the tackle - sounds like the tackle companies and retailers are pretty dead. It just makes it too easy for someone with the smarts in tackle knowledge, finances and the neccessary savvy to make some waves there. First you got to create the demand by introducing the tackle and ways to use it to fit the SA fishery. Catch some fish, big fish that everybody aspires to. Get the public to hammer the importers to bring in the proper gear that does the job - otherwise bring it in yourself. I think Nepps you have probably gone a ways down this road already. So when's the store opening? I'll help you as much as I can buddy. Start off with that Ranfurly Trip.
Nepps, keep taking those vitamins man. You need to settle down a bit, let Dr.Chris send you a seditive by way of 3 jig rods to trial in a few weeks. There easy big fella.... calm now....
Looks like we got some work to do to swing around the SA tackle industry eh? Well mate, I have one, maybe two spare spots left on our November jig trip to the Ranfurly Banks. If you are keen please give me or Chopsticks a yell ASAP. If you can't make it and another forum member is interested please don't hold back. This will be a great intro to modern EXTREME JIGGING for anyone. Hell if you are short of gear then Uncle ChrisW can help out with loaners.
Back to the tackle - sounds like the tackle companies and retailers are pretty dead. It just makes it too easy for someone with the smarts in tackle knowledge, finances and the neccessary savvy to make some waves there. First you got to create the demand by introducing the tackle and ways to use it to fit the SA fishery. Catch some fish, big fish that everybody aspires to. Get the public to hammer the importers to bring in the proper gear that does the job - otherwise bring it in yourself. I think Nepps you have probably gone a ways down this road already. So when's the store opening? I'll help you as much as I can buddy. Start off with that Ranfurly Trip.
Chris - Mate, don't torture me like this bro..... I would happily give my left testicle to make that Ranfurly trip mate, you know I would.... and being one of the few who has seen Heavy Metal at Ranfurly in this country, I know just what the trip entails..... Arrrrrrggggghhh!!!
But unfortunately its BUSY time for me at work mate, no ways I could get the time off.... I'll have to be there in Spirit instead..... When you guys hear a strange chanting sound and see the wisp of a shadowy Afro headed Hippie circling in the mists and rising from the depths alongside a 35 kilo plus King thats attached itself to your jig, or one of those 60 Kilo plus Bass or 40 kilo Puka, you'll know that Nepptune is there!!! HAHAHAHAHA!
But Chris you now see what I mean about our local industry, as you and I have discussed many times via e-mail.... And the gap is there.... hopefully we can change that soon... finances are the thing that needs work right now, but I has a plan..... ;-)
Those 3 Jiggy Sticks will most defintely go a long way in soothing my screaming madness at the local tackle quagmire, and I look forward to getting them into some fish, and hopefully taking it from there to the next level...
First step is demand, as you say, and we are getting there!
Chris - my package arrived from GoFish, with thsoe Jigstar heads... ate those things are AWESOME!!!!
Can't wait to feed them to some of our local species...
Cheers
PS - I heard rumour of a rather large Puka that came your way recently....or is AP just stiriin the pot...? Care to share with us, post a few pics of what jigging tackle can really do!
But unfortunately its BUSY time for me at work mate, no ways I could get the time off.... I'll have to be there in Spirit instead..... When you guys hear a strange chanting sound and see the wisp of a shadowy Afro headed Hippie circling in the mists and rising from the depths alongside a 35 kilo plus King thats attached itself to your jig, or one of those 60 Kilo plus Bass or 40 kilo Puka, you'll know that Nepptune is there!!!
HAHAHAHAHA!But Chris you now see what I mean about our local industry, as you and I have discussed many times via e-mail.... And the gap is there.... hopefully we can change that soon... finances are the thing that needs work right now, but I has a plan..... ;-)
Those 3 Jiggy Sticks will most defintely go a long way in soothing my screaming madness at the local tackle quagmire, and I look forward to getting them into some fish, and hopefully taking it from there to the next level...
First step is demand, as you say, and we are getting there!
Chris - my package arrived from GoFish, with thsoe Jigstar heads... ate those things are AWESOME!!!!
Can't wait to feed them to some of our local species...
Cheers
PS - I heard rumour of a rather large Puka that came your way recently....or is AP just stiriin the pot...? Care to share with us, post a few pics of what jigging tackle can really do!
Yeah I jigged my PB Puka of 75lb (weighted at home). Was caught on JM450, Acc 665, 80lb braid, Zest DeepSlim 470g jig. Just had the second dinner off it tonight with plenty more for friends and family. Nuthead has the photos and waiting for my copy. My shipment including kevlar, Tuned hooks is arriving tomorrow. Received new stock of luminous jig heads Glad too that Go Fish has resent your order.
Would be happy for any other board members to come downunder to the Ranfurly. Any interested just PM me.
Would be happy for any other board members to come downunder to the Ranfurly. Any interested just PM me.
Chris I hope you don't mind me posting this:
Folks this is a shot of Chris with his Personal Best Hapuka, taken last week on some of the very gear we have been discussing....
Jigged out of 180metres of water....Look at the Head on this thing!
Congrats on an AWESOME achievement Chris, what a battle that must have been!!!
Folks this is a shot of Chris with his Personal Best Hapuka, taken last week on some of the very gear we have been discussing....
Jigged out of 180metres of water....Look at the Head on this thing!
Congrats on an AWESOME achievement Chris, what a battle that must have been!!!
[color=#006600]royboy[/color] wrote:
Not long Roy, probably about 5-6 mins. Hardest was to hang on trying to put a few turns on the reel to avoid busting off on the reef. That 6:1 Accurate was not the easiest to crank on.