Guys, Need some advice from the experts. Wh

[Kiboko]

Guys,

Need some advice from the experts.

When you end your leaders of for vertical jigging, what's the pro and cons on using either swivels or just a plain solid ring?

Is there a change the swivel might effect the swimming of the jig negatively? E.g. actually aid the jig to spin like a spinner bait instead of working a butterfly action side to side when you retrieve?

 

 

[Nepptune]

Hey Kiboko,

I think its a personal preference thing.... I wouldn't use only a Swivel.... some Japanese manufactures do make Solid rings that come with a 400lb swivel attached to them already.... I wouldn't use a swivel only though.

I don't think it effects the action much though to be honest... I think it would depend on the jig as well... long skinny jigs like the Sanme's I sent you, as well as Long jigs like Zest's, Fisherman Crazy Long, Smith Nagamasa etc wouldn't be too effected...

Perhaps flat sided jigs like Hookers, Anatahans, Flat Sided Butterfly's etc, might spin a bit, but not enough to effect things....



Personally I don't use them.... seems like one more uneccessary piece of tackle that has the risk of failing...

 

[fedu]

I personally don't use swivels, some of the guys that fish with me use them and they say it's because of line twist, with braided line I don't see any problem with line twist.

What I see now is that some jigs like the Williamson Vortex use the swivel as an added movement/attraction, I think it works for bottom dwellers like grouper, if the jig is large, and where the action is slow and mainly yoyo so the rotation of the jig will probably work there.

What I personaly do is solid ring for all jigs except the William Vortex, didn't experiment adding the swivel to any other jig when targetting bottom dwellers (cob, grouper, etc.), if your'e not targetting bottom dwellers then forget the swivel at all.

 

[Reefman]

Kibo... I am no expert, but this is what I found worked very well for us...

Got the Oval Rings that the NZ guys use most often now from Chris Wong at Jigstar...

Power split ring to oval ring, Oval ring to hook. Jig obviously attaches to the split ring. So if there is a failure, the split ring is the weak point and you don't lose your fish. The Oval ring also limits the side-to-side movement of the hook - keeps it in the same plane as the jig.

For Popping though, a Power swivel works fantastically well when attached to the Split ring. Because of line twist when casting poppers all day, the Power swivel helps limit that. I saw line twist on everyone's reels that were casting poppers all day... and when I say line twist, I mean like a coiled spring!!

 

[Reefman]

400lb Jigstar Oval rings and 250lb Split rings

 

[Reefman]

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[Reefman]

Connections for throwing Poppers on a Twisted leader

 

[Nepptune]

[color=#0066cc]Reefman[/color] wrote:

400lb Jigstar Oval rings and 250lb Split rings

Which are now available from us.... in both the Large and Medium sizes...

As is the Kevlar Assist Cord and Gamakatsu Tuned Jigging Hooks.

Prices coming this week.

Great post Reefs.

Any chance you will be able to shoot a video tutorial of your twisties anytime soon? I've yet to see a decent tutorial on the net, and your Bimini one was great, I'd like to see you put one up for the Twisties if you've got the time....

 

Cheers

Nepps

 

[Nepptune]

Oh - One other things... Seeing your squid/skirt dressed Assists made me think of it.

I am a firm believer in using Skirts to dress assists, and learn a trick the other day....
Instead of cutting the tip of the skirts, which can cause them to split and tear, rather heat up a nail or something similar, and burn/melt a hole through the tip... this prevents them from splitting and tearing.

 

[Cpt. Hook]

Hi

I like to tie my line to a snap swivel (one of the real strong ones) and then attach the snap to the solid ring. I prefer having a swivel on the jig and I find that the line knot to the swivel has a much better chance of not getting rubbed off in comparison to tying the line directly to the solid ring (which also has the split ring and hook trace tied to it)

I also do the same for poppers.

The only time I do not do this is when I am fishing very small and light as the snap swivels then over shadow the lure.

There are so many ideas here and that is my 3c worth,

 

[Reefman]

[color=#ff6633]Nepptune[/color] wrote:

Great post Reefs.

Any chance you will be able to shoot a video tutorial of your twisties anytime soon? I've yet to see a decent tutorial on the net, and your Bimini one was great, I'd like to see you put one up for the Twisties if you've got the time....

 

Cheers

Nepps

Shot bru. I am seriously snowed under at the mo' but will make the Twisty Video after the 21st, if that's ok - will have a little free time then...? Shot with the skirt tip...

 

[Nepptune]

FA - ( and I mean Fishing Adventures, not F0k All!HAHAHAHA, just kidding mate! do you not feel that the additonal Snap swivel is just another area where the connections can fail?
Personally I don't trust snap swivels, except the very large offshore trolling ones like Sampos, but these for me are way to big to use on a jig....

I also use protective sleeving around the Solid rings, and use a two turn uni knot, or chain knot to tie the ring to the leader.
I've got two different matericals I use for protective sleeving, one is a clear tubing, kinda like what you use in fish tanks ( Reefs you'll know the name and guage I'm sure ) and the other is a hollow clothlike material from Jigging Master which works brilliantly.

I'll try do a little tutorial on all the knots and connections I like to use.... the Chain Knot will probably raise a few Eye brows, but it makes a hell of a lot of sense, works like a charm, is simple simple, hell of a strong, and provides a fair bit of additonal protection.... Kiboko, its the way to go for Doggies I reckon, and its whats favoured by all the top Japanese and Taiwanese Jiggers.

I do agree with you on Poppers though, making use of a Power swivel though, not the snap swivels... personal preference though....

Nice to see some more guys addding their input and techniques and ideas here.

 

[Cpt. Hook]

Hi Nepptune the is FA, no offence taken.

I have lost to many good fish and found that when you have the hook trace, the line and the spilt ring and the fish all rubbing together your knot and even the line above the knot wears out, especially with bigger fish and so I needed to find a good solution. It also serves as a short strong steel trace.

I also do not like using a steel trace when jigging and this method works well even for couta and I even got a 10kg black tip shark without being bitten off. The best fish I have seen laded was a 60Kg Tuna in December by one of my clients.

Sure there are some reallt nasty snap swivels around and I use the ones from Owner that are rated at about 220 or 250lbs. The use these and bigger ones for huge marlin in Mexico and Oz and other places.

The other reason is that it is easy to change over and when I have 4 clients plus myself on the boat I do not want to waste good fishing time tying knots.

Thats my story....and I am sticking to it.

 

[Nepptune]

FA - Great input mate, and it seems that your choices all come from tried and tested time on the water as what works for you... very good to hear!

Of course this is what makes this angling passion so great isn't it? we all have our own prefernces on what works best for us... But we acn all get along and enjoy ourselves!

As to wasting time tying knots... well I only do that once.... I tie the knot to my solid ring and then just change jigs as I need to by changing them off the split ring with a decent set of split rings pliers.... you can even change the Assist and Hook out if you are so inlcined as they are just looped onto the solid ring.

But then again,as you say, with just yourself and 4 clients on board, you need to find a quick and fool proof method to change gear quickly, and your system obviously works well for you, and you have confidence in it... and personally I think this is more important than anything.... and its pretty hard to argue with a 60 Kilo YFT!

Here is the chain Knot I was refering to, which provides that additonal chafe protection around the solid ring area, and could perhaps help with those rub offs your mentioned FA.
Its super easy to tie and as strong as any other knot out there, and as mentioned, provides the extra strength and abrasion protection against chafe and toothy critters.

 

[Cpt. Hook]

It looks like a nice knot and I will surley try it out and test it, I use a type of nail knot with this fancy tool I got from Ben Pretorius fro Ufudu and it really make for a strong knot.

 

[Reefman]

Nice knot that Nepps... you know how much I love knots, right!? So it's just a series of half hitches, alternating over and under, right? How many hitches do you do?

 

[Nepptune]

Reefs - Yip, simple as mate.... Just like the finishing section on a PR, or any knot I tie with Braid these days actually.... The extra minute it takes to chuck in a dozen alternating hitches goes a long way in my opinion...

Alot of the reason for first coming up with this knot, by the Taiwanese and Japanese, was to prevent the hook point and barb damaging the leader whilst jigging as is shown in the last pic.... They had cases of the barbs catching and nicking the leader and weakening it....

From there it developed into just being used because its a bloody good strong knot with that additional abbrasion resistance!
Chris Wong also swears by this knot, and he leaves about a half inch tag end after the last locking hitch, then uses a light to ball the tag end....

I would look at tying between 1 inch and 3 inches worth of half hitches... again depending on the thickness of your leader, and the length of your assist....

It seeems so simple, andwith all the ultra tech stuff in jigging these days, it seems almost criminal to use such a simple knot, but it finishes beautifully, and works a treat.

 

[fedu]

Nepps,

Living and learning, incredibly easy knot and loved that protection around the solid ring!!

Any input on the rotation added atraction on some wider jigs with two sided different colors (ex. Shimano Flat sided or Williamson Vortex)?


"Williamson Vortex Speed Jigs- Hydrodynamic design with opposing convex and concave sides allow the jig to rotate freely on the fall. The rotation combined with the two sided color pattern create maximum flash to entice bites"

 

[neilg]

[color=#ff6633]Nepptune[/color] wrote:

Which are now available from us.... in both the Large and Medium sizes...

As is the Kevlar Assist Cord and Gamakatsu Tuned Jigging Hooks.

Prices coming this week.

So have the prices COME YET ... are they HERE YET ...

Common man, it's KILLING ME

 

[Jackie]

Nepps, thanks for that knot - I agree, looks almost to easy to be good! but i can imagine that a lot of pressure would make that knot lock up very nicely.
Any idea where to get that protective material in SA? I've seen the plastic tubing, but would like to get some similar to the red stuff in the pic.