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tima

New member
I have followed the posts on knobby versus static mags with interest and some amusement. There is a place for both although I prefer the knobby type myself. I don’t believe that the static magnet is a preferred option worldwide as someone stated. I am not aware of any standard commercially available reel that has this: they are all modifications which can, incidentally, easily be done at home if you are at all practical. Your version won’t be as professional as Cuban Cigar’s but it will still work and is much easier to do than a knobby conversion. If the static mag was so popular then the manufacturers would be making reels with them installed already and they don’t as far as I am aware. There are plenty of knobby mag reels on the market though.

A major criticism of the knobby conversions is the knob size: well they were made big originally to allow tournament casters to adjust them easily while the lead was in the air but for fishing you don’t need that (nor do you need ceramic bearings for that matter). Indeed Penn used to make a reel years ago (a 970 or 980) with a “knobless” knobby mag adjustable with a screwdriver so surely someone like Old Salt can come up with a low set knob version. When you are fishing I only ever adjust mine between casts if I change to a less/more aerodynamic bait or lure or when the wind changes so you don’t need the large knob for inflight adjustment.

Someone criticised the strength of the magnets in the knobby. If you get a knobby mag reel which has been modified professionally then I would be surprised if the magnet wasn’t powerful enough. It is not in the interests of the person who modifies the reel to sell it like this. If you buy a kit to do it yourself like Blakdog’s he offers two strengths of magnet for example. If you do need a stronger magnet then replace the original with a N52 from Ebay: they are cheap enough. If you don’t want to go this way put some thicker oil in your reel’s bearings. There are plenty of ways to slow a reel down although the “cast control” on the sideplate is not the way to go as someone pointed out. There should be a small amount of play (not 1mm as someone else said).

So let’s stop the arguing and the points scoring!

Tim
 

old salt

Sealiner
Good morning Tima , thank you for an unbiased proffesional feedback.

To to confirm the Jmag is 5,2mm shorter than the overseas one and much stronger also, their magstick holder is chrome over brass mine is solid stainless as our fisherman are often like cowboys.

What you mention all makes absolute sense, its great to for once read an impartial response to this thread.

Both I accept have their place clients just need to decide without being prejudiced by unethical behaviour as what they would prefer.

This isn the solution to this dilema and the rightnthing to do also.
Have a smartie day otber side of the big blue.
_seal1_
 

Psy

Sealiner
grootvis wrote:
old salt wrote:
Allow all the members to decide which meets their needs without you influencing them by badmouthing the Jmag let these two products compete without your interference.
Geez Old salt,

You have actually lost the plot, completely, you are so self absorbed in your own little JRE world, that you have completely missed the bus and are still standing at the bus stop.

Where have I slandered your JMAG! You have issues, get them sorted!

You are a classic case. A simple report back on my set up and you have gone off your rocker. Sad!

heres my last personal take, your reels you have posted look ridiculous, WALMART issued.;)

Now leave it, we all happy, we have seen the best and worse and I think there is enough valuable information here about mags than anywhere else ....Again, a good take for sealine!

Dont waste your valuable time here, you have alot of reels you need to get out, for your trusted customers, who love and support you.


((goodp_


:hyst::hyst::hyst::hyst::hyst::hyst::first
 

old salt

Sealiner
To this idoit psy and his bunch of kroonies take note.

Grootvis has sent me an APPOLOGY which I accept in good faith, his approach is mature and wholeheartedly agree with his message to me and shake his hand on the personal message sent to me.

I suggest you lot grow up or take your antics somewhere else as what you do does NOT benefit the Sealine forum.

Jeryl again I ask you to take note and list these people and if need be ban them for good as they dont contribute to growing nor participation by other members as guys are afraid to post they have let me know as this lot will victimise them like with me.

This is NOT what sealine is about. Take your inlfated egos and put it in your back pocket it does not belong here please. _seal1_
 

Cuban Cigar

Sealiner
old salt wrote:
Good morning All, just read this thread as I am busy on reels for saterdays WP leaque comp as seasons opens so I dont have time to chit chat and talk rubbish like some of the people on this thread. Comments range from silly to totally idiotic yes you read correct. Obviously some egos are so Groot they have absolutely no idea what they speak of or how mags really work or what nis the correct way to fit them either.

Lets get the gloves off for some of the clever and subtle sly people here who 1, alawys want to damage my reputation and what I do, why because they also work on reels but will never share the passion I have for what I do. 2 they make money off the mag it system so push it and badmouth anything else like my jmag and my work also. 3 they create little castles and gang up on me constantly because they have small minds and no self respect nor for others. Ultimately they create these little clicks to further their own agendas which is NOt to the forums benefit nor condusive to a healthy open forum.

I will not get drawn into this which is why I have not commented until now.

Mag it works but half a job only as no adjustability fact, it cannot be set to adapting wind or terrain conditions you need to add or remove magnets by opening the reel and can never fine tune itto get the max performance, Jmag can with the turn of the dial be set to invariable settings, this is what a magged reel is about, not being fixed but adjustable just like you spool tension knob on every reel adjustable.

I helped cuban cigar get started on his request as he may have lost his job, then I told him months later for reasons i will make public to not come to me for help or his reel parts for good reason, this he can confirm as truth.

I HAVE fitted 4 jmags to guys on this forum whom were NOT happy as the fixed mag system did NOT perform as they expected, please guys would you please comment to give impartiality.

THIS SAIS IT ALL.

The jmag mag like all monomags work on a single magnet and absolutely effective this is proven I need not even try to convince you go use google like so many so called experts do.

Doing reels and modding them is my passion and full time income so I dont have the time nor energy to waste on games like is happening here most of the time with this magit crew.

Here is a picture of a reel done by magit a 15/30 SEVEN magnets to tame a spool 7 ones much larger than the SINGLE yes 1 magnet I use to work 110 percent. I wil, mot be drawn into debate as I refuse to sink to the level of these members out to make a quick buck which is NOT to the benefit of this forum and i have spoken to fhe owner of Sealine about this as its not great for us wanting to add value and build relationships.

In a nutshell I love reels and am totally passionate about what I do, I have clients to serve with transparency and high class work which is why people always comment and commend me that have gone elsewhere before, guys here on this theead do reels and cannot handle that this fact so they badmouth me to damage my reputation and the value I always try add here.

This is the reason I am so quiet on sealine because of this politics which I dont have time for as I need to work and serve my clients whom come first.

Check the picture of one reel I serviced now loaded with magnets to the hilt lol. The solution choose the system you think works best, go google casting and world distance casting forums also Goole reel manufacturers and see who uses a fixed mag system no one does for good reason, dont accept my word go and check and not be influenced by biase comments.
I will not respond to any comments further as I dont haven time to waste. Various people have requested I comment on whats been happening here.

If you like my work follow me on facebook Jonathans reel repairs and upgrades.

Jeryl please take note of this thread and all the comments posted.

Im signing off and unwatching this topic. I have reels to finish for this afternoon for the province guys.
Hi to all followers of this topic!

As my total silence on this thread, that has been going pear shaped lately, could wrongly be taken, as me not having anything to say on the matter, I will just say the following ...

As I have been extremely busy with your reels during the last couple of months, I have not posted on all the updates on the MAG-IT system.

The photo in the above post of OS, is of the very first generation kit for the 1530/2040/Speedmaster and later versions, make use of a different type of magnet, that is much stronger and allow you to set the spool speed through a much wider range and in fact, can adjust from too fast to too slow and everything in between and I have swopped the types free of charge for a handful of users, who wanted more control..

The number of magnets used, is not the issue, rather the end result in the casting performance and in fact, many of the MAG-IT kits, also only use one magnet now e.g. the Trini 50, but do remember, that for a single magnet, to give enough control in certain reels, the magnet needs to be in very close proximity to the rotating spool, bringing it's own set of challenges.

On the topic of the "working relationship" I had with you OS, my offer to discuss it with you in person, that you have declined up to now, still stands !

Cheers !
 

old salt

Sealiner
I have closed this topic, its good it has happend lots has come to light and im certain sealine will eventually benefit from this in the long run.

People will first think things through before posting and slandering others.

Integrity is a great thing, one of the mottos I endorse.

Case closed.
 

Ray11

Sealiner
Hi Cuban cigar.

It Is a petty to see a thread with all sorts of comments etc.

I wished to clarify why I saw this thread going to the gutter and why I personally commented. The thread endorsed mag it and that's fine and wonderful. Everyone has their own choice. It also started out with saying that static mags are great in everyway(without being impartial)and then the nitty part came in...but knobby mags don't work and are not as good as statics and the person fitting it wont know what mag to use and static mags are preferred around the world etc. Im sure anyone that is impartial will say that this is nonsense. While I agree that all mag setups have it place for beginers or experts. The writer of this thread is not a beginner and certainly has loads of experience in fishing. I cant say that I love shimano(that's fine) but daiwa is worse because of xyz. Sure I can say it but of course people will ask why. If I cant back it up with facts then my point is redundant.

He was even asked to explain what he means by getting in the way....the person installing the mag will not fit the right magnet ect. These questions were never answered hence the confusion by me. I used knobby long before onld salt stocked them. Because they are better for my application and for the more experienced angler who needs adjustability. If you don't want that that's fine. But honestly, can you read the beginning of this thread without seeing that statics are being promoted to the cost of knobbys. The writer wasn't just saying I LOVE THIS. He said I love statics because knobbies don't work. That is the fact that makes one question the purpose of the thread. Its clearly slating knobbies. If Im wrong then I appologise but my gut tells me im not.
 

BigBen

Sealiner
OS needs help....

No 1 slandered his name or product on this thread....

SHAME...to repsond so unprofessionaly U need to be banned by admin.

Eisch....

If this is how you respond in person to oposition to your product ONLY U CAN FIT is insane.

I'l never fit that gross nipple to any of my reels just 2 gain 10% more distance if fiddled with during a cast.

Your passion for reels is equal only to your service and professionalism in the industry.

I'm soooo happy with my static mags and recommend them to all my fishing mates..

EACH 2 HIS OWN mate....
 

Pylstert

Sealiner
BigBen wrote:
OS needs help....

No 1 slandered his name or product on this thread....

SHAME...to repsond so unprofessionaly U need to be banned by admin.

Eisch....

If this is how you respond in person to oposition to your product ONLY U CAN FIT is insane.

I'l never fit that gross nipple to any of my reels just 2 gain 10% more distance if fiddled with during a cast.

Your passion for reels is equal only to your service and professionalism in the industry.

I'm soooo happy with my static mags and recommend them to all my fishing mates..

EACH 2 HIS OWN mate....
Now you are rubbing OLD SALT in the wounds :fbash
 

Cuban Cigar

Sealiner
Ray11 wrote:
Hi Cuban cigar.

It Is a petty to see a thread with all sorts of comments etc.

I wished to clarify why I saw this thread going to the gutter and why I personally commented. The thread endorsed mag it and that's fine and wonderful. Everyone has their own choice. It also started out with saying that static mags are great in everyway(without being impartial)and then the nitty part came in...but knobby mags don't work and are not as good as statics and the person fitting it wont know what mag to use and static mags are preferred around the world etc. Im sure anyone that is impartial will say that this is nonsense. While I agree that all mag setups have it place for beginers or experts. The writer of this thread is not a beginner and certainly has loads of experience in fishing. I cant say that I love shimano(that's fine) but daiwa is worse because of xyz. Sure I can say it but of course people will ask why. If I cant back it up with facts then my point is redundant.

He was even asked to explain what he means by getting in the way....the person installing the mag will not fit the right magnet ect. These questions were never answered hence the confusion by me. I used knobby long before onld salt stocked them. Because they are better for my application and for the more experienced angler who needs adjustability. If you don't want that that's fine. But honestly, can you read the beginning of this thread without seeing that statics are being promoted to the cost of knobbys. The writer wasn't just saying I LOVE THIS. He said I love statics because knobbies don't work. That is the fact that makes one question the purpose of the thread. Its clearly slating knobbies. If Im wrong then I appologise but my gut tells me im not.
Hi Ray11 !

Everyone born in the early sixties or before, will remember the following :

Ford vs Chevvy
NAT vs SAP
Remington vs Winchester
Sony vs Telefunken
Penn vs Policansky
Dacron vs Nylon
and on and on and on ....

People will always find a way to disagree and that in itself is not a problem ..., but from time to time, emotions get the better of some guys and it can end up with the man being played instead of the ball and ugly things being said, without just provocation.

Most of us can screen all this information and make our own sense from it, but some might have a bigger need to always "be right" than others, thus not managing, to just let in go.

This is where Admin have the difficult task, of having to decide, to either ignore it, or to get involved and when getting involved, it becomes even more tricky, as they have to very carefully, stay impartial and allocate the same weight to the opinions of differing parties !

Please guys,lighten up, make it easier for Admin and let's agree to disagree about certain things,like the adults we are supposed to be, without taking all the fun out of this !

Cheers and I still wish for better casting reels for us all !
 

Psy

Sealiner
old salt wrote:
To this idoit psy and his bunch of kroonies take note.

Grootvis has sent me an APPOLOGY which I accept in good faith, his approach is mature and wholeheartedly agree with his message to me and shake his hand on the personal message sent to me.

I suggest you lot grow up or take your antics somewhere else as what you do does NOT benefit the Sealine forum.

Jeryl again I ask you to take note and list these people and if need be ban them for good as they dont contribute to growing nor participation by other members as guys are afraid to post they have let me know as this lot will victimise them like with me.

This is NOT what sealine is about. Take your inlfated egos and put it in your back pocket it does not belong here please. _seal1_


Mr Old Salt

1. I never slandered your product
2. I dont feel I owe you an apology ( i haven't done any wrong)
3. I enjoy reading and giggling quietly to retorts by members of this forum.
4. I have no 'Kroonies' ~ I fish alone.
5. Im not an idiot.
6. Im not intimidated by your threats to me and your Reporting to Admin. (Mr Jeryl)
7. Sounds like you dont like to be bullied? ~ If Im banned, Ill just tighten my drag washers.
8. BTW...talking about drag washers, what materialised with the 'best ever' Rulon Drag washers?
9. Get a life!


:X:X:X:X:X:X:X:X

http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=93642&forum_id=1&page=1

:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:
 

Enigma

Moderator
Cuban Cigar wrote:
Everyone born in the early sixties or before, will remember the following :

Ford vs Chevvy
NAT vs SAP
Remington vs Winchester
Sony vs Telefunken
Penn vs Policansky
Dacron vs Nylon
and on and on and on ....

You almost forgot the most relevant one on Sealine nl Shimano v Daiwa
 

BigBen

Sealiner
Psy jou yster....:clow:clow:clow:clow:clow:clow:clow

I was roulon the floor with laafter now...


Jireeee the best kept secret ..
 

Cuban Cigar

Sealiner
Enigma wrote:
Cuban Cigar wrote:
Everyone born in the early sixties or before, will remember the following :

Ford vs Chevvy
NAT vs SAP
Remington vs Winchester
Sony vs Telefunken
Penn vs Policansky
Dacron vs Nylon
and on and on and on ....

You almost forgot the most relevant one on Sealine nl Shimano v Daiwa
SJUUUUUUUUT !!!!!!

I deliberately left that one out, for the fear of kick starting it again !!!

;)
 

Johan9255

New member
Psy, my ma het altyd gese kinders moet gesien word en nie gehoor word nie.Geen verdere kommentaar van my af nie. Die belangrikste is dat Almal wat mekaar misverstaan het jammer gese het en so leer ons. Hoopelik kan ons aanbeweeg
 

grootvis

Sealiner
tima wrote:
I have followed the posts on knobby versus static mags with interest and some amusement. There is a place for both although I prefer the knobby type myself. I don’t believe that the static magnet is a preferred option worldwide as someone stated. I am not aware of any standard commercially available reel that has this: they are all modifications which can, incidentally, easily be done at home if you are at all practical. Your version won’t be as professional as Cuban Cigar’s but it will still work and is much easier to do than a knobby conversion. If the static mag was so popular then the manufacturers would be making reels with them installed already and they don’t as far as I am aware. There are plenty of knobby mag reels on the market though. A major criticism of the knobby conversions is the knob size: well they were made big originally to allow tournament casters to adjust them easily while the lead was in the air but for fishing you don’t need that (nor do you need ceramic bearings for that matter). Indeed Penn used to make a reel years ago (a 970 or 980) with a “knobless” knobby mag adjustable with a screwdriver so surely someone like Old Salt can come up with a low set knob version. When you are fishing I only ever adjust mine between casts if I change to a less/more aerodynamic bait or lure or when the wind changes so you don’t need the large knob for inflight adjustment. Someone criticised the strength of the magnets in the knobby. If you get a knobby mag reel which has been modified professionally then I would be surprised if the magnet wasn’t powerful enough. It is not in the interests of the person who modifies the reel to sell it like this. If you buy a kit to do it yourself like Blakdog’s he offers two strengths of magnet for example. If you do need a stronger magnet then replace the original with a N52 from Ebay: they are cheap enough. If you don’t want to go this way put some thicker oil in your reel’s bearings. There are plenty of ways to slow a reel down although the “cast control” on the sideplate is not the way to go as someone pointed out. There should be a small amount of play (not 1mm as someone else said). So let’s stop the arguing and the points scoring! Tim
Hi Tim, All noted. You are 100% correct, as you would know, for many many years the SA rock and surf fishing has been looked upon as very unique to other nations, from rod design to reel selection to cast technique. Each and every reel manufacturer, did not really build reels for the SA market, untill not so long ago, but it is a very small and insignificant market to them. Their reels are, and will always be marketed for the European , japan and states. They are majority, and also tournament and distance casting is as big as the fishing market is. Thats why they will make the reels fitted with the knobbies, I would assume and has anyone looked at the selling numbers of those reels, maybe they make them, but do they sell?. Human nature is human nature, people will always be hesitant to put a permanent fixture on the reels and change the face of it, its normal and expected, and although the adjusable mag might have some added benefits, human nature will still make the majority of recreationals choose a static over adjustable, on many many websites, the anglers had exactly the same issue about the hinderence of the adjustable knob and the aesthetics, people are just too hesitant to drill into there new reels or loose functionality. The LBG guys are not too convinced about having too change settings all the time, and are happy to make one adjustment for all conditions based on their rod and reel combo and also what weight plugs or irons they will be casting. Unfortunately, I am a proven case, factual, becuase I did fit the static, and it worked 100% for what I need, distance is all added benefits but not neccessary  at all for LBG fishing. I stand by using LBG because that was the application from the beginning that I was promoting and refuse to comment on surf setups. the most excellent thing is we have 2 systems to choose from! The Blackdog monos , do look impressive, but so are there statics, really will come down to personal preference. My personal preference was static, and im very glad i went that route, I just love my gear too much to make it look different.....:) if you still in Aus, Im coming to visit soon to chase some monsters from the shore!....
 

tima

New member
Hi Grootvis

This is what they can look like!

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=penn+970+image&biw=1280&bih=888&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CDAQ7AlqFQoTCL6fovSZ4cgCFUKupgodM5UJ6g#imgrc=hZYU90gAg6lbyM%3A

Where are you going in OZ?

Cheers

Tim
 
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