worm identification

bassman

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Could some of the sealine fundis help me out on this one: I found a coral like structure  containing many worms (see attched) recently and was wondering whether they can be used as bait or not? the worms are averaging 10cm or so and are pretty fragile. Any takers?
 

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Blackpylie

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coral worm, Its very destructive to remove them from the nest, i usually stay away from using them, and because they are so small id put 3 or four hanging from its hard head, the hook (2/0 or 3/0) for gallies, kolstert, and hottentot
 

bassman

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Thanks for clearing that up guys...I think I'll stick to the more traditional sustainable bait scources then. On occasion I've seen people chipping on rocks with chase hammers: Is this the bait they are collecting?
 

nicos

Senior Member
bassman wrote:
On occasion I've seen people chipping on rocks with chase hammers: Is this the bait they are collecting?
They are probably collecting musselworm - and I have never seen a method of collecting them that is not destructive.
 

nicos

Senior Member
maroodt wrote:
handy andy not destructive but gets them out

That sounds a bit like the guys catching aquarium fish with cyanide. Not destructive at that point, but everything dies in a few weeks.

I'm not saying handy andy is destructive, but then why are the worms trying to avoid it? Would like to hear the environmental experts' opinion on this - if it is safe it will be a top tip!
 

nicos

Senior Member
Having now read the spec sheet for Handy Andy (the white one), it is in fact biodegradable, but it does have fairly large concentrations of ammonia. Not sure how harmful that would be to organisms living on rocks.
 

maroodt

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spray onto mussell beds worms pop out collect worms tide comes in washes handy andy away no long term effects
 

bassman

New member
Lekker tip there Maroodt- sounds like a good way to prevent unnecessary damage and a quicker way of bait collecting to boot!
 

Skurf

Senior Member
Shoe, hoeveel van julle het al die HA triek probeer?

Mosselwurm is great aas, maar ek haat dit ook om die mosselbank te verniel vir 4 of 5 wurms.:(

So julle se dis safe:whisp
 

icstuff

Senior Member
Just git this from a website:

It also removes stubborn stains and burned on grease.




Ammonia [line] General Information: Un-ionized ammonia (NH3) is a colorless gas at standard temperature and pressure. A pungent odor is detectable at levels above 50 ppm (NRC, 1979). Ammonia is very soluble in water at low (acidic) pH.
Ammonia levels in zero-salinity surface water increase with increasing pH and temperature (see Table 1). At low pH and temperature, ammonia combines with water to produce an ammonium ion (NH4+) and a hydroxide ion (OH-). The ammonium ion is non-toxic and not of concern to organisms. Above a pH of 9, un-ionized ammonia is the predominant species (Morgan et al., 1981). The un-ionized ammonia (NH3) can cross cell membranes more readily at higher pH values. The increased concentration that can enter the aquatic organism heightens the toxic effect (NRC, 1979).
Table 1. Percent total ammonia present in the toxic, un-ionized ammonia form in a zero salinity solution (USEPA, 1987).
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Code:
Temp                              pH
Code:
(C)  6.0     6.5    7.0    7.5    8.0    8.5   9.0  9.5  10.0
Code:
 5   0.013   0.040  0.12   0.39   1.2    3.8   11   28   56 
10   0.019   0.059  0.19   0.59   1.8    5.6   16   37   65
15   0.027   0.087  0.27   0.86   2.7    8.0   21   46   73
20   0.040   0.13   0.40   1.2    3.8    11    28   56   80
25   0.057   0.18   0.57   1.8    5.4    15    36   64   85
30   0.080   0.25   0.80   2.5    7.5    20    45   72   89
[line] Ammonia remains in the atmosphere only 5 - 10 days before being deposited or chemically altered. The fate of atmospheric ammonia is largely a function of global location and weather conditions. If ammonia is introduced into a pristine water system (neutral pH or slightly less), it is readily converted to nitrate by nitrification and becomes harmless to aquatic life (NRC, 1979). (For more information, refer to nitrification in the nitrate-nitrite section.)
Ammonia often serves as the primary or secondary source of nitrogen for plant life. While some plants prefer ammonia to other forms of nitrogen, other plants prefer nitrate but can assimilate gaseous ammonia if necessary (NRC, 1979).
 

icstuff

Senior Member
Health Effects: The ammonia molecule is a nutrient required for life. However, if excess ammonia is available, free ammonia may accumulate in the body and cause deleterious secondary effects, such as alteration of metabolism or increases in the body pH (NRC, 1979).
Ammonia is an irritant that often affects the eyes, nose, throat, and lungs. If ingested, ammonia will corrode the lining of the mouth, esophagus, and stomach (NRC, 1979).
Environmental Effects: Ammonia levels in excess of the recommended limits may harm aquatic life. Although the ammonia molecule is a nutrient required for life, excess ammonia may accumulate in the organism and cause alteration of metabolism or increases in body pH (NRC, 1979). Fish may suffer a loss of equilibrium, hyperexcitability, increased respiratory activity and oxygen uptake, and increased heart rate. At extreme ammonia levels, fish may experience convulsions, coma, and death. Experiments have shown that the lethal concentration for a variety of fish species ranges from 0.2 to 2.0 mg/l. Trout appear to be most susceptible of these fish and carp the least (USEPA, 1987).
Slightly elevated ammonia levels falling within the acceptable range may adversely impact aquatic life. Fish may experience a reduction in hatching success; reduction in growth rate and morphological development; and injury to gill tissue, liver, and kidneys (USEPA, 1987). Experiments have shown that exposure to un-ionized ammonia concentrations as low as 0.002 mg/l for six weeks causes hyperplasia of gill lining in salmon fingerlings and may lead to bacterial gill disease (NRC, 1979).
 

nicos

Senior Member
I'm still not convinced that mussels etc. covered in detergent for a few hours will escape unscathed...
 

nicos

Senior Member
Quote:
Detergents can have poisonous effects in all types of aquatic life if they are present in sufficient quantities, and this includes the biodegradable detergents. All detergents destroy the external mucus layers that protect the fish from bacteria and parasites; plus they can cause severe damage to the gills. Most fish will die when detergent concentrations approach 15 parts per million. Detergent concentrations as low as 5 ppm will kill fish eggs. Surfactant detergents are implicated in decreasing the breeding ability of aquatic organisms.
 

icstuff

Senior Member
I agree but wouldn't it be better for them than bashing with a man made object?
If you have to spray them wash it of very thoroughly. Light concentration of Handy I think. But if we can get some information from our environmental staff it would be appreciated.
 

nicos

Senior Member
I agree, I've seen guys use spades (!!) before to get to them. Don't shoot me here, but the *other* alternative is to ban it's use so would be good to hear if the handy andy trick is safe.
 
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