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FRITZABU

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Hi Chris I have never even seen a UK TCP ,so got no idea as to what there active ingredients is.Have asked Enigma but have not received it from him.

I am referring to the original South African TCP that were made for many years by Pfizer . I presume that you guy's claim your 3CP is the same as the original South African TCP ?

I still have the original and also the new 3CP On the label of the 3Cp ,the active ingredients are not the same as on the original TCP made by Pfizer ?

If that is not the same. I cannot understand how any one can claim it ,to be exactly the same product, as the original TCP from Pfizer ?
 
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chris3CP

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Okay now I have the original TCP made by Pfizer in front of me.
It states: Chlorinated Phenols, Phenol, Iodinated phenol & sodium salicylate

Let me know if this is the same as what you are seeing.

CHRIS
 
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FRITZABU

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Yes its the same names as you mentioned. 6.0 mg Chlorinated Phenols, 1.75 mg Phenol , 0.95 mg lodinated Phenios , 0.5 mg Sodium Salicylate
and was registered in 1965

On 3CP its Phenol 0.175% w/v , Halogented Phenols 0.695% w/v and contains water,glycerol,sodium salicylate,phosphoric acid and E104 (what ever that is)

I have had these items both tasted by various persons. They are all of the opinion, that TCP and 3CP don't taste the same, smell the same and even the color is not the same.

I also had them diluted with same amount of water on same amount of product and then the difference is also very much visible.
 
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chris3CP

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The ingredients are exactly the same. All we have done is used the UK TCP ingredient methodology and combined the chlorinated phenol and iodinated phenol into 1 ingredient heading and have called it a halogenated phenol.

For example the original TCP states:
6.0 mg Chlorinated Phenols + 0.95 mg lodinated Phenols = 6.95mg

3CP states Halogented Phenols 0.695% or 6.95mg

A halogenated phenol is a combination of phenols and the benzene ring or halo determines what the particular phenol is called. It has been this particular reason why no one has been able to reproduce it due to the unlimited factors.

We spent 18 months having TCP tested and analyzed using some of the most sophisticated equipment that only international universities have access to.

All the test results were independently verified three times to ascertain we had the exact formula. The cost was enormous.

I am sorry that your localized taste testing studies have proved otherwise, but I can confirm that the formula's are identical.

As for the colour, E104 is a colourant called quinoline yellow and has no effect on the effectiveness of the product as it is basically colorless. This is an exipient and not an active and thus is not shown on the original TCP packaging. Neither is phosphoric acid.
 
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Naruto

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Fritz, the uk tcp also states halogenated phenols. I have a whole collection of various tcp`s including 2 bottles of uk tcp.
 
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FRITZABU

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Hi Chris I know the cost involved , to do all the tests are enormous.Have girl friend working for similar Lab .

If I understand you correctly your 3CP is based on the UK version ?

I do not think for one min, that your product will not work as medicine .Just cant understand that if a product is suppose to be the same,then call the ingredients the same.

What concern me, is that so many people before (after Pfizer stopped to produce the original TCP) have claimed to make the exact same product. They were importing so called TCP from all over. Even Zim junk and claim it was the same thing !

I have been using TCP for as long as I can remembered as medicine and for fishing.

When using the new 3CP as medicine for example. It clearly don't have the same burning effect, as the original TCP ?

Lets call it ZA TCP . I have never seen the UK version ,but have seen the ZIM junk .

When Pfizer stopped production of the original TCP ZA ,I bought almost 600 liter of TCP . This was used in manufacturing dips (muti's) for fishing.I still have a number of bottles for personal use. ( None for sale ,before anyone want to buy some)

Like I said before ,there is a huge difference between 3CP and ZA TCP when you smell or taste it. Time only will tell if your product will become as popular with fishermen/women as the original ZA TCP .

Then there is all these other products on your bottle ,that don't appear on ZA TCP :"and contains water,glycerol, phosphoric acid" These products are not listed on any ZA TCP ?

It was always my under standing, that any manufacturer had to show the public exactly, what was there product containing? Any idea as to why these other ingredients on your product is not appearing on any ZA TCP?
 
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FRITZABU

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Naruto wrote:
Fritz, the uk tcp also states halogenated phenols. I have a whole collection of various tcp`s including 2 bottles of uk tcp.
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Dan kan jy sommer hier naby my vir jou 3CP teen beter prys koop !!!
 
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chris3CP

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Dear Fritz

I will reply in point form against your post.

If I understand you correctly your 3CP is based on the UK version ?
No, it is based on the old TCP SA version. They are almost identical with only a 0.015% discrepancy on the halogenated phenols

I do not think for one min, that your product will not work as medicine .Just cant understand that if a product is suppose to be the same,then call the ingredients the same.
The ingredients are the same. It seems you are frustrated because we do not specify each and every phenol (by the way there are 11 ingredients). By law we have to state the ingredients on the packaging (even if they fall under a general grouping) however when we submit the product for scrutiny and registration with the dept. of health and NRCS we have to show the individual ingredients. We are however protected by these institutions from disclosing our intellectual property.
Halogenated phenols is like saying "Citrus" but each phenol is different only by the placement of the halo which is the same as saying orange, grapefruit, lemon etc..

When using the new 3CP as medicine for example. It clearly don't have the same burning effect, as the original TCP ? When Pfizer stopped production of the original TCP ZA ,I bought almost 600 liter of TCP . This was used in manufacturing dips (muti's) for fishing.I still have a number of bottles for personal use. Like I said before ,there is a huge difference between 3CP and ZA TCP when you smell or taste it. Time only will tell if your product will become as popular with fishermen/women as the original ZA TCP

So what you are stating is that you are judging 3CP against a 7-8 year old TCP product. This is quite unfair especially that you have not taken biodegradability into account. Nor have you factored in that one of the reasons Pfizer sold TCP was the unreliability of their product, from their now defunct manufacturing plant. Are you certain that your stock it was not a batch from Nigeria (which was also used as a Pfizer supply plant) which by the way has been closed to to unreliability on manufacture.

This is not an easy product to make and you are not comparing apples with apples. Your stock is too old and I can guarantee that the over time the ingredients have degraded. What you basically have is a bastardized version of the old TCP.

Then there is all these other products on your bottle ,that don't appear on ZA TCP :"and contains water,glycerol, phosphoric acid" These products are not listed on any ZA TCP
It was always my under standing, that any manufacturer had to show the public exactly, what was there product containing? Any idea as to why these other ingredients on your product is not appearing on any ZA TCP?
That's because they are exipients and not actives. It must also be remembered that ZA TCP falls under the old "grandpa" regulations which pre-date 1962. The laws were different back then in terms of full disclosure. However nothing is missing from their pack insert which clearly state all the ZA TCP ingredients. So your objection is mute.

I think I have provided sufficient explanation regarding this subject and tested the patience of other members on this forum. You or anyone is most welcome to call me regarding any questions or queries.

Regards

CHRIS
 
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FRITZABU

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Hi Chris thanks for the detail reply .

I am glad you compare apples with apples. This is exactly my point, a green apple is not "exactly" the same as say a red apple. They are "similar" fruit, because they are both apples. This will apply to many items in the world. Many things are similar but not exactly the same?

If you for example change 2% of a product contents.You may still have a similar product, but not exactly the same product? Would you agree.

As a matter of interest. Did Pfizer sold their product because of not being profitable or because of the fact that they may have come to the end of their patent rights ?

Another thing that I would like to know, as a matter of interest. Is the product name "TCP" arrived from the product " 2,4,6-Trichlorophenol " ?

I say again I am not trying to attack your product in any way. I only want to make sure that your claim that your product is like you said " 3CP and TCP are identical "

By the way I phoned Jerry personally, to find out where to get stock for my shop. Before your original posting.

May be one day if you got time, pay me a visit. I can't offer you a beer,because I don't drink .I can however offer you a coke.Best to call and make sure I am here.May have gone fishing !!

Fritz

ps my old TCP is being stored in a very cool ,dark dry place.Like a good wine. Then none of my friends can find it.
 
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