reel oil, grease, bearings and tools

[flippy]

old salt wrote:

Hi splasher, docphil and johann I have been very busy working hard to serve my clients. Please note that lithium works but is not the best product out there for salt water protection. Calcium suplhonate complex is the best grease you will find anywhere in the world for salt water protection, this is hard fact. These are industrial anti corrosive greases. I have several different makes in my cupboard. The aluminium complex grease Alan uses by yamaha has changed the formula years back, I dont like it the newer one but have tried it also. The old formula was great. This was the go to grease but there have been advancements with makes, the one I mentioned is unbeatable in terms of salt water corrosion protection. Bind this grease with PAO SYNTHETIC base oils and you have the very best product for corrosion protection and friction protection too. The white grease you seen me use is made by lubriplate and not as one person stated sending people in the opposite direction SHAME. This grease is the best standard produced grease I have used. I have a tub but it is too expensive to import now. For the experts on the site the anti old salt brigade I am certain will be reading this post with baited breath lol. I have used just about every good grease made world wide I should have over 30 greases all speciality items in my tested arsenal. I have also tested and compared the best greases also. Some performed admirally others really suprised me. With my testing I dont use a humidity cabinet or 5 percent salt water spray I use sea water and the weather so real testing conditions not simulated as they not as destructive . lubriplate and keystone there sister company started speciality greases in the 1800, s i have from both companys.
If you look at the sky blueish grease I use in my pics this is what I mix and outperforms any of the greases i have used over the years in terms of corrosion, lubrication, stability, longitivity, cushioning, galling and wash out from below 30 degrees to over 240 degrees and this is celsius not ferreneit.
This is much much more protection than anyone would need from tuna reels to bass fishing so i sleep peacefully and my clients experience the difference too.

So there you go gents some interesting information. I have been doing this for nearly 30 years now so wheather you like me or dont I should have learnt something along the way, take note I dont say I know it all but have learnt lots over time.

Enjoy the reading I think this would add value to anyone working on reels, so you would now have leanrt some important detail pertaining to greases.

tx old salt..

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[grootvis]

Very good info there Craig,

I like the idea of the spray for drag washers especially, one of the downsides to using greases or thicker protective mediums is it can tend to trap particles, sand being one, salt crystals the other, it provides good anti corrosion properties but cannot dispel foreign objects. A spray might be the way forward. Are these products available?

Off topic a bit, do you think these sprays can be used to give fishing rods a wipe down and some protection instead of using a polish or wax? And it also sounds ideal for external spraying of the reel?

 

[surfboy]

I have been trying the Quicksilver 2-4-C Marine Grease.....product of Mercury Marine. Recommended for steering systems, cable linkage, throttle and shift cables, prop shafts, swivel pins, tilt lock mechanisms, hinge pins and trailer bearings.
Contains PTFE (polytetraflouroethylene)and teflon. Sticks like crazy....blonde/light brown in color.

Use this on different parts of my reels in combination with Corrosion Block spray, CB grease and ReelX. Anybody tried this Quicksilver product.....be interested to hear any comment or feedback?

 

[old salt]

Grootvis im glad you read my infomation and analized it in such detail thanks.

Quicksilver 2 4 c is lithium teflon fortified grease, before this they had a better product called Extreme I have a tube still and will post it at a later OR you can google it for impartiality. The extreme grease the main focus was corrosion protection and it is a calcium sulphonate grease as well.
Most of the best greases would be calcium sulphonate complex make up I am sure eventhough manufacturers dont make the base compound known as there is nothing better.

Craig the wurth products are good indeed.

Guys need to use what they deem best and what works for them.
I wanted to add some value to the grease issue as 2 guys initially requested and sure I have done just this. Greases and oils excite me and makes very good reading also. I dont advocate to know better than anyone else but have learnt a lot over the years and am always happy to share the fundamentals so you can also on your own if needed find what works best for your reels.
The best custom made oils in the bussiness are corrosionx and corrosion block in this order.

The most important thing most people overlook is safety of use for me, having been ill for a long time this is always my primary focus and I have gone green on cleaning products also long ago for the very same reason. Doing reels everyday for a living this becomes imperitive for me and I encourage you to do the same. Corrosionx and corrosion block are just this and the CB grease new formula also so I can freely recomend these products as top notch and safe also.

Please take my advice on this ALWAYS look at the safety and cancer causing safety data first before you make the final choice to buy, in the end nothing matters more than your health.

Enjoy the reading guys and tight lines.

 

[grootvis]

You know, i think one can go adnauseum as to which greases and oils are best, and its like any debate, at the end of the day they all work, and lets face it, its nice to spoil ourselves with something extra now and again, but the fact of the matter remains, we need to have a consistant product, readily and easily available and at a good price, if you do regular cleaning and servicing you will never have a problem, we have all been fishing for a long time, and before all these products were on the market we were quite content with what we were using, i had been using q20 oil in my bearings and everon blue grease for a very long time and it worked, if something works for you stick to it. I have been using corrosion block products now, with cals for the drag washers, and it meets all my criteria and is consistent and using the same grease in my bearings, oil doesnt cut it in most ofmy applications, but since im changing bearings might have to look for a good oil. But the most important thing is, you have to maintain your gear regularly, that is actually the bottom line, oils and greases are at their best when being used, not idle........so keep the reel moving which means more fishing............::slo

But dont forget to spoil your reel a bit at christmas time!

 

[Enigma]

grootvis wrote:

You know, i think one can go adnauseum as to which greases and oils are best, and its like any debate, at the end of the day they all work, and lets face it, its nice to spoil ourselves with something extra now and again, but the fact of the matter remains, we need to have a consistant product, readily and easily available and at a good price, if you do regular cleaning and servicing you will never have a problem, we have all been fishing for a long time, and before all these products were on the market we were quite content with what we were using, i had been using q20 oil in my bearings and everon blue grease for a very long time and it worked, if something works for you stick to it. I have been using corrosion block products now, with cals for the drag washers, and it meets all my criteria and is consistent and using the same grease in my bearings, oil doesnt cut it in most ofmy applications, but since im changing bearings might have to look for a good oil. But the most important thing is, you have to maintain your gear regularly, that is actually the bottom line, oils and greases are at their best when being used, not idle........so keep the reel moving which means more fishing............::slo

But dont forget to spoil your reel a bit at christmas time!

Prevention is better than Cure..... ALWAYS

ALso the WURTH products are a lot more readily available than Corrosion Block

One thing that I really like about the WURTH High Creep corrosion protection is that I can easily prolong intervals of cleaning and servicing while on some of our hardcore shark fishing trips.

Rinse the reel off then shake it dry, insert the nozzle into the drainage hole on your reel, light squirt and then spin the reel while rocking it side to side and all parts are coated and protected till it's time for a full service and ZERO corrosion develops in a month of wading without servicing.

 

[grootvis]

Who generally stocks these items? Or only specialist shop? Wurth products?

 

[Dr halibut hoffman]

old salt wrote

The most important thing most people overlook is safety of use for me, having been ill for a long time this is always my primary focus and I have gone green on cleaning products also long ago for the very same reason. Doing reels everyday for a living this becomes imperitive for me and I encourage you to do the same. Corrosionx and corrosion block are just this and the CB grease new formula also so I can freely recomend these products as top notch and safe also.

Please take my advice on this ALWAYS look at the safety and cancer causing safety data first before you make the final choice to buy, in the end nothing matters more than your health.

Enjoy the reading guys and tight lines.

Thanks for that and I think that is most important point for sure, what is the point of having the best corrosion protection around or fastest lube if it is going to kill you slowly.

I lost my godfather to cancer, he was an engineer using solvents and greases/lubes every working day of his life, he never smoked and just drank a half glass of good red wine with his meal and lived a healthy life full of fresh air and healthy food he used to pick or grow himself, be it veggies mushrooms or chickens, his wife made their own pasta, he grew up a peasent in sicili and lived the same simple life till he died here. He died too young and I'm pretty sure it is the old generation of these products he used day in and day out that did him in. Take care!

By the way that saltist you gave me Grootvis, its bearings and drag washers were replaced when I got it and now works like the day you got it, probably. It has dealt with my learning how to cast it, spinning like I have nothing better to do, angry fish, being dunked and sanded on my canoe, fishing off the beach, boat and rocks and its is just purring. Gets serviced by my local guy I support and I think he used cals and corrosionx and/or block and I just rinse it and it purrs at me when I play with it. Looks a bit beat up but purrs away and is solid as ever. Just shows how long tackle should last..when made properly AND taken care of.

 

[grootvis]

Dr halibut hoffman wrote:

old salt wrote

The most important thing most people overlook is safety of use for me, having been ill for a long time this is always my primary focus and I have gone green on cleaning products also long ago for the very same reason. Doing reels everyday for a living this becomes imperitive for me and I encourage you to do the same. Corrosionx and corrosion block are just this and the CB grease new formula also so I can freely recomend these products as top notch and safe also.

Please take my advice on this ALWAYS look at the safety and cancer causing safety data first before you make the final choice to buy, in the end nothing matters more than your health.

Enjoy the reading guys and tight lines.

Thanks for that and I think that is most important point for sure, what is the point of having the best corrosion protection around or fastest lube if it is going to kill you slowly.

I lost my godfather to cancer, he was an engineer using solvents and greases/lubes every working day of his life, he never smoked and just drank a half glass of good red wine with his meal and lived a healthy life full of fresh air and healthy food he used to pick or grow himself, be it veggies mushrooms or chickens, his wife made their own pasta, he grew up a peasent in sicili and lived the same simple life till he died here. He died too young and I'm pretty sure it is the old generation of these products he used day in and day out that did him in. Take care!

By the way that saltist you gave me Grootvis, its bearings and drag washers were replaced when I got it and now works like the day you got it, probably. It has dealt with my learning how to cast it, spinning like I have nothing better to do, angry fish, being dunked and sanded on my canoe, fishing off the beach, boat and rocks and its is just purring. Gets serviced by my local guy I support and I think he used cals and corrosionx and/or block and I just rinse it and it purrs at me when I play with it. Looks a bit beat up but purrs away and is solid as ever. Just shows how long tackle should last..when made properly AND taken care of.

Yes, it is very valid, i had a rather huge malignant melanoma removed from my back albeit from the sun, but one must be careful, i suppose i should stop spraypainting, and greasing and spraying all these products in my 1m x 1m workshop and then proceed to cook my family dinner....

 

[Enigma]

This is a list of their Brand Shops: http://www.wurth.co.za/express-shops.html

There are also a large number of retail outlets and engineering services that provide their products for sale.

I am luckily in an engineering complex and have their rep visiting the engineers on a weekly basis so they deliver direct.

 

[Dr halibut hoffman]

Thanks for the heads up on the wurth products..I'll keep an eye out.

 

[flippy]

 

[grootvis]

which shops stock Tgs rocket fuel that I can order from? I want to try a different oil for my ceramic bearings.

 

[surfboy]

grootvis wrote:

which shops stock Tgs rocket fuel that I can order from? I want to try a different oil for my ceramic bearings.

Bought my TG's at Suburban Spares Ottery. They had the red and yellow. I have also tried Epic, its what allot of the radio control car racing guys use......the high speed racers use ceramic bearings.....from the States....very thin....don't think it is made for salt environment but you can check it out if it helps investigations. Shop at Tyger Manor shopping center on Durban road, opposite Tyger Valley Mall.

 

[surfboy]

grootvis wrote:

which shops stock Tgs rocket fuel that I can order from? I want to try a different oil for my ceramic bearings.

 

[surfboy]

grootvis wrote:

which shops stock Tgs rocket fuel that I can order from? I want to try a different oil for my ceramic bearings.

 

[flippy]

howzit gv.. check http://www.basilmanning.co.za/oil-rocket-fuel-red-label-47209.html

dunno if trophy den has?

off your question check http://kingfisher.co.za/product/oust-bearing-speed-oil-2/ might also be worth a consideration as i believe you might use the oil in a spinning reel of yours.. looking through the specs though not too sure if more viscosity is what you want?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B79jvGgaagA ??

mostly discussed by skateboarders though lol

 

[grootvis]

Thanks Flippy!

Im in a predicament, I have the ceramics, and although it would be advisable to use a low viscosity oil for them, Im not trying to achieve a world record distance...hahaha....but just want enough protection and lube on the balls, If I actually could have my way I would still like like to use grease but on ABEC#7 bearings Im not sure what will happen. So, viscosity is not a problem, Im always game for trying new things, so might try the OUST product and have some rocket fuel(yellow maybe) as back up.  On a lot of overseas forums, it seems there is demand now for ceramis with grease, its interesting! For some reason I like grease as lube, or a combination of both. Will check it out, thank you!

 

[grootvis]

Hi Guys, I'm back ....sure you getting tired of me by now,

Anyway, I'm revisiting this again, I have ordered the oust bearing oil, have read very good things about it, BUT, it has dawned on me in 2 aspects,

I am fishing trinidad a reels, problem is, access to spool bearings!!!!

Secondly, the oust oil is very thin, therefore more regular oiling, dont want to be opening the reel up and having to relube and clean reel parts all the time due to this process.

I fishing the ceramic hybrids, so generally a thinner oil is required.

So, Im looking at input or suggestions, on,

1. Do you think I could mix a grease and oil together and make a concoction, with a slightly thicker viscosity that wont impact too much on the bearings?

2. Are there any thicker oils out there that could be applied but could be good for at least 10 plus sessions?

My last question is, my local rip off store has Daiwa oil, is this  a thicker oil and what would you think about using this as a bearing oil for ceramics? Im all for new things and experimenting until I find whats the most useful for me....any thoughts?

and something else I thought about playing with, the corrosion block spray, not grease, how would that be as a bearing oil, it is a bit thicker?

 

[Saffa28]

Hi Guys, do any of you guys use Quantum's Hot Sauce grease and Hot Sauce oil, I find it works really well