Normally I get the odd weekend opportunity to fish

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royboy

Sealiner
Chaps, you have really got some excellent ideas here. It's a safe bet that the Geels and Kobbies will go for good attractors or stimulators presented nicely. (have had one Kob eat a Grunter prawn immitation at Breede mouth some years back - and this was a pleasant surprise as it is OUT OF CHARACTER for them)

Trick is to "break their feeding code" and understand what makes them tick, what triggers feeding or attack behaviour. And then we have to replicate it........which means lots more shiny things in the tackle box.

This is very interesting - lets pool ideas and information and effort. Some experimentation and we could be onto a good thing here
 
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orange

Senior Member
Now after a bit more reading, jeez shimano knows how to make money. Jigging outfit in dollars...
Reel 499
Rod 199
jigs 14.99 per/jig
Thats bout 5k for one weight range you get rods and jigs for 80-160 150-200 etc
There goes that plan....
 
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Hammertime

Sealiner
Nepps those things swim up to...

I am going to buy myself the smaller jigging outfit like you used on my boat the other day. I reckon other than a handline that is the only way I wanna catch snoek and tail.

So, you need to make your drinking arm available so I can get the low down on what to buy before I go buy stuff in the next week.
 
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miles

Sealiner
Hiya

Just some local knowledge that'll assist in your guys quest.

Most kob fishing is done in less than 10m of water, in False Bay. Occationally the boats from Gordons bay do get fish in the 20m water depths, but most consistant fishing is in the shallower water depths.

Similarly, geelbek inside the bay are also caught in shallow waters.

Both kob and geelbek will no doubt take a jig, if they're feeding. I've caught geelbek on a empty shiny 13/0 hook, with no bait on!!

The best area to look for both is between Seal island and Strandfontein pool. The NW'lery winds will push the warm water here as well as putting some colour into the water.

Our best fishing for both species has been at night. Late afternoon or early morning, especially if its overcast or raining, has also worked well.

If you're really hardcore, the geelbek school off South West reefs, just outside Cape Point in a SW'lery wind. The STRONGER the wind and ROUGHER the sea, the BETTER!! Be warned though, this is EXTREME fishing!! I can recall nights on a 25' Cape Craft, when we couldn't get around the Point. The guys that could, on the 28' Cape Crafts would come back with 2000-3000 kg of geelbek! You would drift fish, as your anchor simply doesn't hold. Some guys even used two anchors with two chains and 200m of rope out and they'd still drift! You drift until you hear the waves breaking on the shore, then you know its time to get out of there and start the drift again!! Not easy at night!! Commercial boat "Wille Hans" almost lost his boat there two seasons back. They took a wave over the side, washing off almost all the tackle. LUCKILY nobody was washed overboard!! The size fish is HUGE for False Bay, most in the 10-16kg+ class.

As there days progress, the geelbek move in from Cape point, Platbank/Rooi-krantz area, then to Buffels and Dias (Die Kruis) and then into the bay. Next spot they're found is off Millers Point, then at Roman Rock light-house, the the Quarry at fish hoek and then into False bay. They split up ad some fish move to Seal Island, whilst others move into the shallower Muizenberg/Strandfontein area.

Once they're inside False Bay, any shallow area's, like East Shoal and York Shoal are worth investigating.

They then exit the bay via Gordons Bay area. Here, especially towards Rooi-els side, there are plenty of deep water reefs, 35-50m (deep, for False bay), which no commercials fish. Pretty sure they'd hold geelbek in season. Well worth exploring.

Word of caution, two seasons ago, spearo's saw a large marlin feeding on the geelbek at South West reefs!!::S
 
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Hammertime

Sealiner
I agree 100%, I've fished around the point at night in strong SW winds and it is not for the feint hearted. Throw in the fact that it gets bloody cold and if you are in a lull there are better places to be. But, then the fish pull again and you are back in and there's no where you would rather be.

I fished geelbeck at night in Natal and we used to load up big time in the early 90's.
1 thing I have learned about those fish that you must remember when jigging or fishing. Drop one and the shoal is GONE. If you hook him you must land him. It is def one of those fish that seems to take the shoal with it when you drop one. Seen guys learn that the hard way with light tackle fishing.

The other thing, I do with both kob and geelbeck is insist on a very low tone on board. By that I mean almost silence. Especially for Geelbeck. There is nothing worse than sitting on fish and some dude comes and runs his anchor chain down through the roller - F<>??n drives me insane. As it happend the fish go away, sometimes for a couple of hours, sometimes for you need to then move. You will be amazed at how quiet the guys are when catching geelbeck. I go so far as to swith my sounder off when we are on the pick and into the fish. No lights on etc.


Cheers
HT
 
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Nepptune

Sealiner
Tried to post this yesterday but had connection issues…

Ross - $199 for a jig rod is CHEAP.... Thats Shimano Trevala series.... will get the job done, but I'd not take one to a Big YFT match up... Better off buying an OTI 600Gram stcik for the same price, much better stick..

If you wanna go top draw....Carpenter/Smith/Jigging Master/Hots etc, you looking at upwards of $500 per rod, and all the way up to over $1000 for some


HT - Anytime mate, hows the rest of your week looking? You know my arm requires very little twisting to drink and talk fishing.. :) We got DVD's to watch too!!! :)


Miles & HT - Great feed back and advice as always from you guys, thanks for sharing...
 
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Hammertime

Sealiner
Nepps - anytime. Studio nice and quiet now.
Might wet a line tomorrow. The dropshot comp has been called off. Tony has some problem and will run it later on.
So that leaves me one option. Fish anyway or drink. It's my bday sat so the second option will happen anyway.

Give me a shout.
 
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ChrisW

New member
[color=#006600]Nepptune[/color] wrote:
Mate if AG from Jigging Master has anything to do with it, he'll custom aluminiumise ( I know thats not a word but whatever ) everything and anything, he is a nutter!! ..... I think Zest is somehow connected to JM.... those are Zest made right?

DVD is well worth a watch, makes a man wanna move to NZ!.... will lend it to ya sometime after its taken a few runs through my DVD player!!! :)
Click to expand...

No mate!  Zest and AG are only connected by me because I import & distribute both brands.  In fact they are rivals in the jig market.

Guys, if you want a copy of the DVD, please PM me. 
 
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Nepptune

Sealiner
Hi Chris,
Thanks for all your info as always, and for clearing up the Zest/JM deal...

I'll chat to the Zest/JM here and just check with him before forwarding you his details. I know he brings in the jigs, but as yet, only the very small ones, and definetly not the rods as yet.... I'll check with him.

Guys the Heavy Metal at Ranfurly DVD is DEFINTELY worth getting.... truly an awesome Jigging Fest with some incredible fishing, instruction and non stop action!

Chris, mail heading your way mate.
 
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ChrisW

New member
Can i get some indication on the SA prices for any of the Japanese jig rods? Also i would like some websites for SA tackle dealers.
I want to see whether our new rod range might have any chance in SA.
 
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Marshie

Senior Member
Hi Guys,

We have had the most success with Kob and Geelbek when using leadheads rigged with Curly tail grubs and not with your traditional deep water jigs.  In my opinion, it is movement of the tail and the time of the lure in the stike zone that makes the difference.

Check out http://www.action-plastics.com/grubs.html 
 
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royboy

Sealiner
Hey Marshie, I have been wondering about these things effectivenes. I read an article written by Ed Truter about using them on jigheads (It was in the current Inwater magazine if I am not mistaken)and he swears by them.

More goodies to purchase before my next trip to the coast........

Nepps? Have you had joy with them yet?

Cheers, RB
 
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Nepptune

Sealiner
RB - Certainly have mate, been fishing grub, curly, shad and jerk style soft plastics for a goodly long time... I have found that certain baits work better for certain species/retrieves.

When fishing slow for species like Snapper, Grouper and other bottomfish in the Caribbean, we'd use curly tail grub style plastics, as well as when fishing the flats in late late, and the reefs at night. These style of plastics have a great action, and push a good vibration at slower retrieve rates...
This would make them prime baits for targetting Kob and other species here that are generally slower moving, and feed after dark, as well as in murky waters such as river mouths, estuaries, sand bars etc. These baits can also be left static for a fair amount of time between "hops" as the tail usually sits up in the current and can draw plenty of strikes... a varied retrieve is always a good plan till you find what works... e.g: hop-hop 5 second pause on the bottom - hop- 3 second pause- hop-hop-hop etc etc... I generally fish these baits, as mentioned, on a slower retrieve.

With Shad tail baits, I find these are most effective when used at a more constant, and slightly quicker pace.... the vibration of the shad tail works best over longer stretches of retrieve, and the constant vibration draws fish in. This is not to say that a slow, hop and drop, or bouncing retrieve won't work, of course it will, but this style of tail tends to lend itself to longer "hops" rather than short snappy ones. It also works well as a trolling plastic as the vibration is awesome, as is the tracking characteristics of the shad tail.

Lastly, jerk style baits. These baits give off the least vibration and movement, but for me can be the most deadly!

I fish them on worm hooks for surface twitching and just sub surfcae presentations.. a "walk the dog" retrive is dynamite for any surface or just subsurface gamefish.

Fished on leadheads or jig heads, they are great for faster retrieves and presentations...

All these plastics can also be fished off Bucktail jigs as trailers to add movements, and bulk as well as a little "Flavour" for the fishes to hold onto for that last split second for you to get a hook set...

RB - In answer to your question, I haven't actually fished with action plastics, but definetly have with the styles featured there as they are available from most makers...

Cheers, Nepps
 
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