My Carbon Fibre/Kevlar lures.

tackle whore

Senior Member
RR lets leave the personal shit out of it ?? simple question HOW DO THEY SWIM ? so far Mike has not answered the question. most of the guys want to know - simple , are they made to be trolled or cast, what kind of speed, action is needed to get the best results ?
yes any tips as to how they swim would be good thanks mate .
 

SAfish

Sealiner
benniejordaan wrote:
ignoblis wrote:
Merely a suggestion. looks are deceiving and the "proof is in the pudding"
Unfortunately that's the truth. I have given away around 50 of my lures. I can't take money for them because I'd feel too guilty selling something that is unproven to attract fish. I'd quite happily pay R200 or even R400 for a lure but then for my money I want to know it works. And for R400 it better work better than the one I can get for R100.

I'm sure Mikey will get there. He has the finish now he just needs to fine tune them and prove some of them. The reality is nobody can tell you what action he wants it to have. Every lure behaves differently and the majority of anglers don't know what should be done to change the lures action. The builder needs to produce something that catches fish. If you have a mould for a lure, you are governed by it's shape and changing the action requires shape changing not just playing with weights. Some of Mickey's lures will be killer, others will be failures but that's how it goes. Many big brands have failures but they also have successes.

Then the sales will come rolling in.

Mikey will now need to spend some time by the water or at least sponsor a few anglers, then he will make a return on his investment I'm sure.
Hellooo, I told you I am going to test it this weekend.

This one, and some of the others, are prototypes and believe me I will put them through extensive testing. I am working with Mikey to develop a lure that will catch fish! The fact that Tauruck lives in Joburg does not mean his lures won't get any saltwater time. You are able to hop in your car and go down to the water and test it. Mickey is not so fortunate and rely on various friends to test the lures fishing abilities for him. Cut him some slack and appreciate his work! Don't change this thread into a mud slinging contest.

Btw. I also got mine for free postage included. ::teas::
 

tauruck

Sealiner
tackle whore wrote:
RR lets leave the personal sh!t out of it ?? simple question HOW DO THEY SWIM ? so far Mike has not answered the question. most of the guys want to know - simple , are they made to be trolled or cast, what kind of speed, action is needed to get the best results ?
yes any tips as to how they swim would be good thanks mate .
My work is not for sale in South Africa so what's the sweat about.
Whether my lures swim or not has nothing to do with anyone here.

To tell the truth they all swim backwards and upside down.

I don't need to tell anyone anything.

You want personal?????

 

Leave Ruff Ryder alone.
 
Ruff_Ryder wrote:
benniejordaan wrote:
ignoblis wrote:
Merely a suggestion. looks are deceiving and the "proof is in the pudding"
Unfortunately that's the truth. I have given away around 50 of my lures. I can't take money for them because I'd feel too guilty selling something that is unproven to attract fish. I'd quite happily pay R200 or even R400 for a lure but then for my money I want to know it works. And for R400 it better work better than the one I can get for R100.

I'm sure Mikey will get there. He has the finish now he just needs to fine tune them and prove some of them. The reality is nobody can tell you what action he wants it to have. Every lure behaves differently and the majority of anglers don't know what should be done to change the lures action. The builder needs to produce something that catches fish. If you have a mould for a lure, you are governed by it's shape and changing the action requires shape changing not just playing with weights. Some of Mikeys lures will be killer, others will be failures but that's how it goes. Many big brands have failures but they also have successes.

Then the sales will come rolling in.

Mikey will now need to spend some time by the water or at least sponsor a few anglers, then he will make a return on his investment I'm sure.
How do you experts know what goes on in his workshop or outside his workshop for that matter. Is it your business or are you looking for tips again.


 
Lets wait for an expert to reply!
 

Cpt. Hook

Sealiner
Calm down Boys & Girls.... don't you know that it is more important where you put your lure, you are not gonna catch Tuna in your swimming pool.
 

Simen

Sealiner
              Gentlemen are we starting to have a problem here????


                                        Come on guys.

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nicos

Senior Member
Eh, why the knives? The lures look good, but how do they swim?

I am unfortunately not partial, Bennie gave a mate of mine (that he doesn't know from a bar of soap) about 25 poppers, hand made, for free, just so they can be tested.

WTF is Ruff_Ryder anyway? Looking at his posts he must be Mickey's alter ego :)

 
 

nicos

Senior Member
tauruck wrote:
My work is not for sale in South Africa so what's the sweat about.
Whether my lures swim or not has nothing to do with anyone here.

To tell the truth they all swim backwards and upside down.

I don't need to tell anyone anything.

Geez mate, if they are no good, what's the point of posting them here? Or if they are brilliant, and you are not going to tell us, then again, what is the point of posting them here?

I think they are sure pretty, so be cool and tell us how they work?
 

Cpt. Hook

Sealiner
nicos wrote:
Eh, why the knives? The lures look good, but how do they swim?

I am unfortunately not partial, Bennie gave a mate of mine (that he doesn't know from a bar of soap) about 25 poppers, hand made, for free, just so they can be tested.

WTF is Ruff_Ryder anyway? Looking at his posts he must be Mickey's alter ego :)

 
 

Why is this thread going sour..............................
 

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ignoblis

Senior Member
Ruff_Ryder wrote:
benniejordaan wrote:
ignoblis wrote:
Merely a suggestion. looks are deceiving and the "proof is in the pudding"
Unfortunately that's the truth. I have given away around 50 of my lures. I can't take money for them because I'd feel too guilty selling something that is unproven to attract fish. I'd quite happily pay R200 or even R400 for a lure but then for my money I want to know it works. And for R400 it better work better than the one I can get for R100.

I'm sure Mikey will get there. He has the finish now he just needs to fine tune them and prove some of them. The reality is nobody can tell you what action he wants it to have. Every lure behaves differently and the majority of anglers don't know what should be done to change the lures action. The builder needs to produce something that catches fish. If you have a mould for a lure, you are governed by it's shape and changing the action requires shape changing not just playing with weights. Some of Mikeys lures will be killer, others will be failures but that's how it goes. Many big brands have failures but they also have successes.

Then the sales will come rolling in.

Mikey will now need to spend some time by the water or at least sponsor a few anglers, then he will make a return on his investment I'm sure.
How do you experts know what goes on in his workshop or outside his workshop for that matter. Is it your business or are you looking for tips again.


 

Why do you make it out to be so clandestine? I simply would love to see how they swim.
 
My final say here!

The DIY-Lures forum as far as I'm concerned is a place where we can make our own lures, home built, discuss them and share information so we can all make improvements and ultimately catch more fish. It is a place where we don't so much showcase lures but ask for opinions. Because of your arrogance and general rude behaviour, there is a few guys who won't post their stuff here. That means we have lost a wealth of information, and trust me I have seen some of these goodies!Myself included, whether good or bad builds, I have not posted the last 4 of my builds. We really have lost out!

Furthermore, your lures are built with the intention of selling them for a profit, collecting money from prospective customers. You can choose whom you wish to sell them to, but people (customer) have a right to ask you how do they swim and do they work! You are not selling showcase trophies here, you are selling fishing lures which you would want to fetch a good price for and customers would want to catch fish with. You owe them some information. I noticed the avoidance of the question on other sites too.

In closing I want to quote an exert from one of the leaders in lure building. He has over 30 years experience in lure making and is by far one of the leading authorities on the subject! You know him and you even referred to him as your "mate".

You can use this or choose to ignore it... up to you!
Have a pleasant day!

Words by Denis AKA DenisB...

"pretty looking lures only count for something if the size, shape & action are right anyway.............get any of them off target & the lure is not going to perform optimally when the fish are not biting on just anything that moves.
........He He.[/QUOTE]

As previously quoted above.
I think as lurebuilders that we create an image of prey where the lure attributes are first & foremost ;-
size, shape, & action

we have discussed the relative ranking of other attributes of lures in previous threads, and that we yearn for those days where the fish strike anything that moves.
Sadly they are far too infrequent & the predators tend to be switched on to particular prey on different days & different locations.
So, frequently the most critical aspect of the lure of choice needs to be a representation of the approximate size , general shape, and importantly action of the lure that the angler can use to entice the predator to strike when its focussed on a particular prey.
My observations have been that there are particular colouration patterns that act as strike triggers for different prey species.
( anglers that I respect from a wide variety of fishing fields find the same situation ).
We find that there is considerable value in accentuating the image of those strike triggers in our lures that represent particular prey.

All that goes for nothing if the lure is not able to be worked by the angler to represent the swimming action of the particular prey ...............and particularly the swimming action & colouration of stressed/ fleeing prey or in other cases injured prey.

A flyfisherman is pretty much wasting his time flogging a dry fly when the trout is switched on to nymphs.
similarly a lure fisherman is pretty much wasting his time flogging a lure that is nothing like the prey that the predator is switched on to

.............and that lure had sure better have an inherent swimming action that is representative of the prey it is imitating or its just not worth having in your bag ...........irrespective of how pretty that lure might look .

builders of stickbaits & bibbed lures don't always get it right ( & that includes me ) when making working prototypes & there is usually a lot of fit & fiddle tuning lure shape , buoyancy, and ballast to achieve an appropriate action.

One thing I found along the way is that super realistic lure shapes in hardbody lures virtually never provide a swimming action anything like the real thing.
I've put that down to the fact that the real animal generates its swimming action from the rear with its tail & musculature................whereas a hardbody lure generates its action from being pulled ( not pushed ) and the hydrodynamics of the water moving past the lure body. Very different detail required to achieve the action required from a hardbody lure representing a particular species.

A case in point is a shibuki / brabus ..............an excellent representation in action of a number of longer slimmer bodied prey species.............but how many of those real prey species possess the arched back of a shibuki / brabus.
..............that arched back is a very necessary design criteria of that type of lure that enables the angler to generate the appropriate swimming action .
- the curved upper surface generates hydrodynamic forces
- the arched body shape provides a particular distribution of ballast vs buoyancy, water resistance from the hooks, and towpoint location relative to centre of gravity & centre of buoyancy..............that is not achievable from a more realistic shape of the prey species.
- the small bib generates additional necessary water resistance
- the relative level of hydrodynamic forces generated by body shape vs bib size, angle, and location relative to the towpoint creates a situation where the angler can achieve a different action from the lure by the way they work the lure.
None of which is achievable with a more realistic body shape in a hardbody lure.

None of which is seen by eye...........its only seen in results in the water.
Nice artwork is one thing ( I struggle with the artwork )...........its got to be married to an appropriate body shape to generate a good action in the lure when its pulled thru the water."

P.S. I highlighted some of the more important aspects!

Mikey, please stop being an ass. You were asked a simple question, no need to be so obnoxious!

@RR, We don't know who you are, but you only seem to come here to stir! If I need tips, I'll mail Denis.  
 

CapCom1

New member
I'm more of a reader than a poster but I've found this thread very, very interesting.

My take on the subject is this.....

I read the post from the very beginning and then I went further back to where Tauruck posted some photos of a yet unpainted GT. Very impressive indeed.

After seeing the photos of the painted carbon fibre lures I came to a few conclusions.

The man built a GT first and I asked myself why he would tackle the most difficult shape first. Save this info

Anyone, especially a South African with the talent to carve the natural looking fish he did and then reproduce them in carbon fibre cannot be a fool. This guy is sharp, very sharp. He's clearly been at this form of work for a long time.

My suspicion is that Tauruck built the GT first because it would prove to be the most difficult lure to set up. A dead fish lies on it's side 99% of the time and more so a slab sided version like a GT. He must have got that right first and the rest would be simple. A lure is like a dead fish in my opinion and that is why builders put ballast in them but you all knew that already.

The question was how do the lures swim. Anyone who built the first carbon fibre lures ever as described and spent the amount of time, money and attention to detail tested these things to exhaustion. 100% and I'll take poison on it. Carbon fibre is expensive and I cannot see anyone building lures in the hope that by a miracle they would sit up and beg as required. These lures must be ACES. The fact that he's situated inland means nothing. Are we still traveling on horseback or is this the 21st Century. People travel by air these days and it would be easy to get to the ocean for testing. Lures could be given to anglers who spend all day on the water to test.


Think logically. Would any of you naysayers build all those lures without knowing how they act. I think I counted twelve or thirteen lures.

I would guess that Tauruck doesn't want to give any info on how he builds his creations and it's his right. Never give your secrets away Isay.

If he offered up photographs, video and other info some of you would still find fault.

This whole thing looks green to me and it smells like envy. I suspect a little competition here on this forum and it wasn't even a race. To the members who are anti Tauruck my advice to you is up your game (although it is very clear that you're all out of your depth) or find some other hobby. You never featured, in fact you never got onto the ball park.

What makes it even more farcical is the mere fact that some of the biggest mouths don't even build fishing lures. I suspect it's easier to be an armchair champion as usual.

Gentlemen, embrace the culture, don't exploit it.

Chapeau, Mr. Tauruck.

 

 

 
 

tackle whore

Senior Member
Cap no one wants taurucks secrets or how to build them just some info on the lures posted.
1. floating or sinking models?
2. casting models or trolling?
3. weights of each?
but forget it no need to lick some ones arse , nice lures mike will get the info from 360tuna , or bloodydecks eventually.
 

Simen

Sealiner
CapCom1 wrote:
I'm more of a reader than a poster but I've found this thread very, very interesting.

My take on the subject is this.....

I read the post from the very beginning and then I went further back to where Tauruck posted some photos of a yet unpainted GT. Very impressive indeed.

After seeing the photos of the painted carbon fibre lures I came to a few conclusions.

The man built a GT first and I asked myself why he would tackle the most difficult shape first. Save this info

Anyone, especially a South African with the talent to carve the natural looking fish he did and then reproduce them in carbon fibre cannot be a fool. This guy is sharp, very sharp. He's clearly been at this form of work for a long time.

My suspicion is that Tauruck built the GT first because it would prove to be the most difficult lure to set up. A dead fish lies on it's side 99% of the time and more so a slab sided version like a GT. He must have got that right first and the rest would be simple. A lure is like a dead fish in my opinion and that is why builders put ballast in them but you all knew that already.

The question was how do the lures swim. Anyone who built the first carbon fibre lures ever as described and spent the amount of time, money and attention to detail tested these things to exhaustion. 100% and I'll take poison on it. Carbon fibre is expensive and I cannot see anyone building lures in the hope that by a miracle they would sit up and beg as required. These lures must be ACES. The fact that he's situated inland means nothing. Are we still traveling on horseback or is this the 21st Century. People travel by air these days and it would be easy to get to the ocean for testing. Lures could be given to anglers who spend all day on the water to test.


Think logically. Would any of you naysayers build all those lures without knowing how they act. I think I counted twelve or thirteen lures.

I would guess that Tauruck doesn't want to give any info on how he builds his creations and it's his right. Never give your secrets away Isay.

If he offered up photographs, video and other info some of you would still find fault.

This whole thing looks green to me and it smells like envy. I suspect a little competition here on this forum and it wasn't even a race. To the members who are anti Tauruck my advice to you is up your game (although it is very clear that you're all out of your depth) or find some other hobby. You never featured, in fact you never got onto the ball park.

What makes it even more farcical is the mere fact that some of the biggest mouths don't even build fishing lures. I suspect it's easier to be an armchair champion as usual.

Gentlemen, embrace the culture, don't exploit it.

Chapeau, Mr. Tauruck.

 

 

 


(although it is very clear that you're all out of your depth) or find some other hobby. You never featured, in fact you never got onto the ball park.

Very bold statement to make, coming from a guy with 17 odd posts.

If I was asked ( damn and I wish) how my lures swim, I would simply have smiled and said TRADE SECRET gentlemen TRADE SECRET.

Its not always what we answer buy how we answer.

And please read BennieJordaans post, the very long one, and yes that is why we created the DIY-Lures forum. Asked by the same people posting on it in about all the posts.

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Abaddon

Sealiner
I am simply an admirer of the great work that Tauruck has produced here and found the lures to be absolutely stunning! So much so in fact that I would like to acquire the range to set up in a magnificent floating display for my "office"..

I was disappointed to read all the negativity and the words Tauruck posted - "My work is not for sale in South Africa.."

If not in SA then where would I be able to obtain your work Tauruck?
 
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