Morning all Just some feedback for the Capetoni

Coxy

Senior Member
Morning all

Just some feedback for the Capetonians.

Fished from 05H30 at Gordon's Bay until just past sunrise.  The red tide was "thick" with the water being a brown/orange colour.  Needless to say abosolutely nothing (bar 1 eel) came out.  Besides my group of 3 there were an additional 5 people fishing the wall.  Can anyone shed light on the effects of red tide on fish and fishing?  I presume it sucks the oxygen out of the water, but would love to know more.

Tried on the full tide midway between Muizenberg and Strandfontein (just passed the toilet block) - No Red Tide - for 4 hours with both floated and ground bait (chokka and Sard) and got Diddle E Squat.

Skram and his buds went to Maccasar on Sunday morning (they're the lucky buggers who weren't boxed in due to the Argus) and he picked up an elf (Shad), and apparently lot's of bites happening.

 
 

Darren

New member
Hi man,

i must say saturday's fishing was pathetic........:X

we launched at millers point round about 7am, approaching the false bay we saw that sea was a bit flat with a slight chop and off course the red tide swing back and forth. We were suprised at the number of boats out and reckoned there was fish at the point, but none was to be found.

the water temp was 10c to 12c being the highest around the point and buffels. the day was fun, but with no fish its was sad. :(

Can anyone tell me if they caught anything on Saturday and if the red tide has some effect on the water?

Lord I prray for better fishing conditions^^..
 

Coxy

Senior Member
Ahh a man with a boat!  Hope you fish rod and not handline. :D  If so then I only have one thing to say.....

CREW  ^^..

I live in Sun Valley so not too far from Millers... Hint Hint ;)
 

Darren

New member
I wish i had my own boat.

I fish with my boat club and its difficult to get sight on there boats, but when you in you are in.

if and when i get my rubber duck I will gladly take people fishing.

if any thing arises and one of the boats needs crew i wil give you a shout.
 

Coxy

Senior Member
Cool, no worries.  And thanksd for keeping me in mind.

If you're planning a rock and surf session along false bay, keep us posted as some of us might like to join you.

Cheers

Coxy
 

Darren

New member
I am planning on going to Rooikrans and spin for some yellowtail, but first i will have to get me new equipment. will keep you posted when i will be going.

how many of you guys will join us? and i you have any fishing experditions let me know.

where do you fish?
 

Coxy

Senior Member
Hi

Normally there is 2 or 3 of us.  My close circle of fishing buddies is 4, and 1 of those comes with a group of 3.

 We normally fish between Muizenbergand to Gordon's Bay.

We're always keen to wet line, inspite of having little success thus far.  Hence why sealine is so great, getting to meet people who have different ideas and areas to fish in.

 
 

Andy

New member
Hi Coxy.

Maybe the extract below from www.paddlers.co.za will answer your question on the red tide.









While having a stunning kayak trip organized by Paddlers last Wednesday evening we were all struck by the rusty brown colouration of the sea water, especially close to Fisherman's Beach near Murdock Valley. We also marveled at the phosphorescence. The sages in the group all pontificated on this phenomena known as red tide and much was proposed on its origins and characteristics. Being a group of kayakers of a most noble breed much of what was spoken was profound and true but, as the evening drew to a close in a beery haze, some remarks appeared to be closer to myth than fact. This short compilation of information attempts to substantiate some of the truths and debunk some the myths and maybe to add to our knowledge of the briny environment in which we chose to relax and have fun on our kayaks and boats.

What Is Red Tide? The term RED tide is misleading as the sea water may turn brown, orange, purple, yellow, or even black. The phrase is also a misnomer since it has nothing to do with tidal fluctuations. The colour in the water is caused by the dense concentration of very tiny microscopic plants called phytoplankton. On the South African coast the most common type of microscopic plants are known as dinoflagellates. The latter are so called because they have two whip like appendages called flagella which assist them in moving through the water. When reading about this relationship I was struck by the parallels between a kayaker with his two appendages ploughing through the water and his tiny cohabitant with his similar dual propulsion system.

How And When Do Red Tides Occur? They are most common along the west and south coasts of the Cape in late summer and autumn. During this period the prevailing southerly winds cause the cold nutrient-rich water from the deeper parts of the ocean to rise up by a process known as upwelling. When the dormant phytoplankton reside in the sediments in the deep ocean, in an environment which is dark and oxygen poor, they are known as dinoflagellate cysts. When these cysts are brought to the surface, a complex combination of environmental factors can contribute firstly to their germination and secondly to their rapid growth. Ideal conditions result from optimum sea temperatures (warm), calm conditions, salinity, the duration and intensity of sunlight and the presence of nutrients. During this bloom period each single cell may replicate itself one million times in two to three weeks. When all these conditions combine the result is a bloom known as red tide.

Can Red Tides Be Harmful? While kayaking last week in False Bay many kayakers were nodding sagely and agreeing that Red Tides are harmful and poisonous and that you should never swim in them. After all the Red Tides can produce crayfish and mussels which are poisonous. The following summary may allow you to better understand these very broad generalizations.

In general a Red Tide results from a normal natural event in which phytoplankton is produced. Phytoplankton is a key component in the food chain within the marine environment. However under abnormal conditions the plankton can congregate into such unusually high concentrations that the following unnatural aberrations result:


  • In 1962 the shear density of phytoplankton within the waters of False Bay resulted in the mortality of some 100 tons of fish. According to reports the reason for death was that the phytoplankton caused irritation to their gills which resulted in them not being able to extract oxygen from the sea water. A more recent example points to the fact that the dinoflagellate species feed on fish tissue which results in fish kills.
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  • Oxygen depletion may result in the indirect killing of organisms in sea water. Essentially what happens is that as phytoplankton grow in the water they use up oxygen and nutrients. Once these have been used up the plankton die and produce large quantities of bacteria in the sea. The decomposition process further depletes the water of oxygen which leads to the death of other marine animals. In exceptional circumstances such low oxygen levels are believed to be the reason why crayfish vacate their environment to die on the rocks and beaches.
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  • The trauma for life forms in these oxygen depleted environments can be further exacerbated if a Red Tide event is trapped within a closed environment such as a bay or a density layer in quiet conditions. For instance if large volumes of red tide organic material is entrapped and decays it will result is massive oxygen depletion which provides an environment conducive for the production of anaerobic sulphate-reducing bacteria. Such bacteria convert sulphates in the water column to hydrogen sulphide gas. Such a situation which occurred at St Helena Bay in 1994 caused the sea to turn black and resulted in the death of hundreds of tons of fish, crayfish, mussels, limpets and sea urchins.
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  • Toxins produced by some dinoflagellates are some of the most potent poisons known to man. In 1980 mussels were killed by a neurotoxin at Elands Bay by direct poisoning. When such shellfish are eaten by man numbness and paralysis can result in body extremities (lips, tongue and fingertips) and death can occur through respiratory failure.
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  • Animals such as mussels, clams and oysters are particularly vulnerable to red tides because they feed by filtering particles including phytoplanktons from the water. Toxic phytoplankton can accumulate in these filter feeders and cause illness or possible death to consumers such as birds, mammals and man. The worst type of poisoning is called paralytic shellfish poisoning ("PSP") which occurs via a nerve poison. Several hundred deaths have been reported world-wide. It is possible that eating a single mussel could be fatal so don't take any chances. The less dangerous type of poisoning is diarrheic shellfish poisoning ("DSP) which results in well known symptoms. The third form, which has been noted in False Bay is neurotoxic shellfish poisoning ("NSP") where olive green discolouration of the seawater commonly occurs during the month of June. The symptoms are sensory abnormalities and include dizziness, tingling sensations, dilated pupils and hot-cold reversals. It is reported that such poisoning can be transmitted by contact with sea spray.
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  • With regard to aerosol (air-born) toxins. In 1995-6, people living close to the sea in False Bay, Hermanus and Walker Bay areas were overcome by the discomfort of coughing burning of the nasal passages, difficulty in breathing, stinging eyes and irritation of the skin. This phenomina was linked to the discovery of bloom of a toxic dinoflagellate species Gymmodinium first recorded in False Bay in 1998. Although aerosol toxins can lead to considerable discomfort during the event no long-term effects were noted.
Where To Find Out More About Red Tide: In South Africa the responsibility for monitoring red tide rests with the Chief Directorate Sea Fisheries of the Department of Environmental Affairs and Tourism. Researchers from the Sea Fisheries Research Institute regularly monitor the waters around the coasts. Currently (16th March 2005) Sea Fisheries is informing the public of a Red Tide warning along the Cape West Coast. If you need further and more detailed information you can contact the department's RED TIDE Information line at 021 4344457. Members of the public can call this number to get more information and current Red Tide status from the Sea Fisheries Research Institute at 021 439 4380.

Discussion Points: Well after all the above I guess we are allowed to speculate a little about Red Tide. Maybe when we paddle again we can talk about the following:

Man Made Pollution and Red Tide: Most of the articles perused indicate that Red Tides are occurring with increasing intensity and frequency with a wider global distribution. I don't know too much about increasing intensity of pollution along the West Cape but we certainly are getting increasingly worrying information on pollution around the coast of False Bay. Although I am tempted to fall for the easy pollution answer I don't get the feeling that the blooms we observed can be attributed to local pollution because the blooms would be focused around areas of easily monitored pollution such as river estuaries and sewerage disposal sites. Pollution and the associated Red Tides should be easy to identify by means of satellite imagery. The South African Red Tide is clearly defined by very low radiances from the sea along the West Cape coast from a SeaWiFS satellite image but I can't see any correlation with pollution! What do the kayakers think.

The Greenhouse Effect: The more subtle effects from global warming are a possible but very difficult to prove without major research.

Ballast Pollution: Big transport ships carry dormant cysts within the dark bilges of their ballast tanks. When these are washed out during routine bilge cleaning operations they enter a new environment. If by chance these cysts are dumped into an environment where optimal breeding conditions are present they can proliferate very efficiently. If you just think about how infectious diseases are spread under optimal conditions I quite like this hypothesis! What do you think?

Paddling and Swimming Through Red Tide: Under most circumstance I believe that we are safe kayaking and swimming through Red Tide. It goes without saying that we should not eat shellfish and crayfish during high alert periods. Maybe we should think about cooling our intake of such food especially if one considers possible pollution problems that occur close the nodes of human population. The section on airborne toxins makes interesting reading but I am not going to leave the beach quite yet.

Steve Gain
Paddlers
16th April 2005



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Darren

New member
OK thats cool, i am getting back into fishing from the shore line. Its good to hear and read what these guys have to say about fishing in and around CPT.

i haven't fished from Rooikrans yet, but taking this opp to do so. While we are fishing off the point, i see there are many anglers fishing from that point so its making me curious to find out what we will pull.

will let you know when we are going to rooikrans.
 

Dubsketeer

New member
hey Coxy... have you tried catching at strandfontein pavillion. when entering the pavillion. u take the first right and follow the road. turn right at the stop street and you will see all the guys along the road... just follow that road and find a spot and gooi in... that area none as lovers lane and if you drive a bit further you will get to broken road... i guy that works with me pulled out 4 elwe on Saturday and he left at 20:00...

it was so to say my first time out as well with my new euipment and i caught my first fish on wit mossel... a 20cm elf... very very small, just a little bit bigger than the length of my hand... left about 20:00 as well. as i dont have a kop torch yet...

Noddy was with my and him and dad and uncles stayed longer till about 22:00

they pulled out 2 stump noses and a kol stert...
 

Coxy

Senior Member
Hi Andy

Thanks for the feedback on the red tide.

Now all I need is for the paddlers to tell us how to deal with another pesky problem in False Bay........

Trek Netters!!  ::H
 

Coxy

Senior Member
Hey Dub

Have always looked at the water there, but always gone back up to Baden Powell, headed back toward Muizenberg, and parked at the first available pull of spot (Just after the bush and dunes), which is quite close to broken Road.

I find the area you talk about can often be a tad overcrowded... I guess I now know why! :D

Keep a look out for an old white Isuzu D/Cab, with no canopy and a Metal custom made rod holder on the back.... That's me!

Cheers

Coxy
 

Dubsketeer

New member
Coxy wrote:
Hey Dub

Have always looked at the water there, but always gone back up to Baden Powell, headed back toward Muizenberg, and parked at the first available pull of spot (Just after the bush and dunes), which is quite close to broken Road.

I find the area you talk about can often be a tad overcrowded... I guess I now know why! :D

Keep a look out for an old white Isuzu D/Cab, with no canopy and a Metal custom made rod holder on the back.... That's me!

Cheers

Coxy
the spot you explaining now. not broken road just pass the dunes pass the pavillion thats where i caught my little elf saturday past :) hehehehheeee... white Isuzu D/cab with custome rod holder and no canopy.. check. will keep a look out
 

manx

New member
Hi guys, new CT oke here,

I have to relearn fishing after 10 years of not having a line in, I moved to the Cape a few years ago from  P.E.

A little offtopic, I'm living in Tableview and I wonder if anyone can indicate if there is any good surf/rock fishing to be done on this side of the planet? What if one ventures up the West Coast a little?

Regards
Conrad
 

Coxy

Senior Member
Hi Conrad

You can send a private message to Skram, who also lives on that side of the world.  He has a fishing buddy who is very knowledgable so that should help.

Skram is a very decent fellow who I'm sure can help get you back in the swing of things.

If you come out the false bay side, drop me a mail, and i might join you for a session.

Cheers

Coxy

PS - Don't expect the fish to bite as often down here as they dop in PE! :)
 

Coxy

Senior Member
Langebaan lagoon is also not a bad place to catch.  Drive into Langebaan and head toward the yacht club, just behind that is pretty good.

Lots of undersize Cape Stump with a few big ones every now and again.  I also believe Ganzekraal is good for Kob but is more of a winter spot.

Good luck and keep us posted!
 

manx

New member
Thanks for the tips guys, do you need a boat for the lagoon at Langebaan or do you fish from the shore? Also what sort of tackle do i need?
 
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