Kayak safety equipment [list] [*]Small firs

neilg

Sealiner
Kayak safety equipment




  • Small first aid kit[/*]
  • Orange / Yellow Buoyancy Aid (SABS) with Whistle[/*]
  • 100m x Anchor Rope, 2m chain and a anchor[/*]
  • 1  x Rigged Drogue Anchor[/*]
  • 1 x Rigged Orange ID Sheet[/*]
  • 1 x Fog Horn[/*]
  • 1 x Handheld Compass[/*]
  • 1 x Handheld GPS with SPARE BATTERIES in a Waterproof  pouch[/*]
  • 1 x Rescue Blanket[/*]
  • 1 x Signalling Mirror[/*]
  • 1 x Waterproof Torch with Spare Batteries and Spare Bulb[/*]
  • 1L drinking water[/*]
  • 2-3x Energy Bars for food [/*]
  • 1 x CellPhone in a waterproof pouch[/*]
  • A SPARE PADDLE, even a cheapie, it could safe your life[/*]
  • 1 x Smoke Marker[/*]
  • 2-4 x Pencil Flares[/*]
  • 2 x Rocket Parachute Flares
[/*]
To change the idea that I'm hijacking a thread about a kayaker that's missing at sea (not on a fishing kayak), I created this new thread ... because I’m also a vessel angler …

Further, I’m not a kayak angler, which was said to me a few times, but I still know the see pretty well, and out of concern for fellow anglers I feel the obligation to voice my opinion, whether some like it or not !

Personally I believe the safety equipment carried on a kayak is not sufficient, not even by a long shot.

I also believe that because no formal courses were done most (not all) kayakers don't know what to do, when to do it and why they have to do it.

I will take a few pics of things that I believe all kayakers should have on their kayaks and also discuss a few things that I personally believe is wrong, actually ALOT of things are wrong.

Kayakers complain about the regulations, let me tell you something, get yourself a boat and THEN you will only see what marine regulations are . . . you are not hit as hard as you think you are.

Some say, we are adults, we should know what we need to be safe, well, if the regulations say 1 flare chances are good 99% would only take that one flare. Unfortunately laws are not created to control the well informed individual, but to control the not so well informed masses, and it creates a good standard.

Some good advice, go and buy the “SANLAM SKIPPERS GUIDE FOR SMALL VESSEL SEAMANSHIP", it will cost you about R 80 and will teach you more than you can ever learn by yourself.

ANY trip to sea can turn into an extended one, prepare yourself for it !

Some issues

STUPID COLOURED KAYAKS[/b], incl WHITE, BLUE, GREEN and every other colour that is EXTREMELY difficult to spot. GOOD COLOURS ARE RED, ORANGE AND YELLOW, with Yellow and Orange being the better choices. Sure a white boat and a white kayak looks nice, but that’s all, it just looks nice !

On a kayak you have a VERY SMALL FOOTPRINT, first of all the kayak is very small and also very low on the water. This makes it very difficult for OTHER FASTER TRAVELLING vessels to see you, and in case of emergency, IT MAKES IT ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE for a rescue craft to see you. Maybe even a small orange flag fixed about 1.5m above the kayak would be good, but not practical as it would get damaged easily during launching and beaching, but could and would improve visibility.

Clothes that kayakers wear. A black wetsuit with a blue "buoyancy aid", now that helps alot aswell, that makes it even more difficult to see a kayaker. Again I say Red, Yellow or Orange. I will rather look "ugly" and be found that good and not be found if you know what I mean.

Distance limitation

Looking at the SAMSA rules, there simply aren't sufficient rules regarding kayaks, according to the rules there are NO DISTANCE LIMITATION on a kayak, so they can pretty much go anywhere they want to. Now that is a BIG problem, cause first of all they are not equipped to be far from shore, and second, they depend on a person in a good and healthy condition to propel them. Personally believe 1nm, maybe pushing it to 2nm ABSOLUTELY MAX. Some people actually think they can go 3-5nm from the shoreline on a kayak, that's just crazy, in fact, it’s bloody reckless if you ask me.

LAWS need to be written that CONTROLS the manufacturers of kayaks. Every Tom, Dick and Harry are starting to build kayaks, THIS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED, there should be a standard that needs to be followed.

Buoyancy on Kayaks

30% as an absolute minimum, and it should be SPREAD THROUGHOUT the hull of the kayak, NOT JUST IN THE BACK. This can be done by adding pool noodles, but should actually be built into the kayak during manufacturing.

A Safe way of carrying safety equipment, cause you know what, if your kayak goes down then so does all your “survival equipment” ! If you are separated from your kayak you are also separated from your safety equipment. If a kayak is filled with water and a hatch full of tackle and everything else, can it still carry you, it should float with you ON TOP OF IT, holding on for dear life ! In fact, it should have a short capsize rope attached to it aswell.

A national body that controls the issue of “permits”, exactly the same as with all boats. All kayaks should be surveyed on a yearly basis. After all, they are sea-going vessels, and should conform to a standard, with a safety certificate being issued after a survey. The rules controlling RIVER BOATS are much stricter than SEA GOING KAYAKS. I understand it will cost you money, just like it costs every other owner of a seagoing vessel money, that’s life, and it’s there for your own good.

Some form of training, even if just a VERY BASIC 1 day course with a attendance certificate issued afterwards, this course should detail some basic rules of the sea, cover the use of flares and other safety equipment and also the LEAVING OF DETAILS for emergencies, like I said, a basic course.

Ask Ski-boat anglers who have encountered surfers and kayakers on the water, most will tell you this … they are hard to see, especially when the sun is in your eyes, and they don’t think twice about launching or “beaching” while a BIGGER VESSEL is busy doing the same, they also tend not to think twice about crossing your path, which is not the end of the world, but not good “sea etticet” and dangerous due to visibility factors.

Launching - the advantage of kayaking and also the biggest problem. You can launch anywhere and nobody could even know about it, this is a catch 22 situation, that’s why it’s so important that EMERGENCY information is left with a responsible SOBER person with very clear instructions.

1 man vessel, another plus with a big problem, cause if you get hurt and you cannot call for help there is no-one that can help you. On a Boat we are not allowed to go to sea alone, but it’s a problem that cannot be overcome on a kayak or 1 man vessel, it is ofcourse recommended that you not go to sea alone, but rather in groups, but it’s not always possible or practical.

Looking at the safety equipment I listed, well it’s not as much as you think it is, and in an emergency, you will be extremely happy you have it, that much I can promise you.

A discussion on the equipment :

Small first aid kit – [/b]it’s an absolute must have, you can cut yourself, suffer from a bite by a fish, and many other problems, this can and will help to stop the bleeding !

Orange / Yellow Buoyancy Aid (SABS) with Whistle – [/b]like said before, it’s much more visible than the other “popular” colours and should also have reflective tape on it. Law should state that you may NOT remove it while on your kayak at sea, cause as you know, YOU ARE ALONE OUT THERE.

100m x Anchor Rope, 2m chain and a anchor[/b] – should you get into difficulty this can and will help you to stay IN ONE PLACE until help arrives.

1  x Rigged Drogue Anchor[/b] – should your anchor not be able to help you the drogue anchor can, and if you don’t understand how it works you won’t understand the need for it. If the wind blows in one direction and the stream is pulling in another it can help with slowing drifting down. But that’s not it’s only purpose, it can also let the stream take you with it if need be. From a fishing point of view, if a big fish pulls you it can be used to create drag, tiring the fish quicker. Remember your kayak slides over the water, so a good fish can very easily tow you 1-2nm out to sea

1 x Rigged Orange[/b] [/b]ID[/b] Sheet[/b][/b] – this is AN ABSOLUTE MUST HAVE, and if you go missing, you throw this out, it makes spotting you from the air MUCH EASIER.

1 x Fog Horn[/b] – another small but essential item, that makes much more noise than your screaming for help can.

1 x Handheld Compass [/b]– but you need to know how to use it ofcourse, can help you row towards land when it’s dark, when you’re deep in the sea and can’t see land or when there is A.LOT of mist, even works when a GPS doesn’t work.

1 x Handheld GPS with SPARE BATTERIES in a Waterproof  pouch[/b] – you know why you need it, you need it for the same reasons as a compass, it’s just easier to use.

1 x Rescue Blanket[/b] – cause nights at sea can get PRETTY DAMN COLD, helps you retain body heat.

1 x Signalling Mirror[/b] – again, to attract attention to yourself, worth it’s weight in gold !!!

1 x Waterproof Torch with Spare Batteries and Spare Bulb[/b] – again to attract attention to yourself, extremely important for “unscheduled extended stays” at sea.

1L drinking water – also very important, cause if you out at sea and need to row back a long distance you gonna get very thirsty, 2-3L would ofcourse be better, but space needs to be looked at.

2-3x Energy Bars for food and maybe a Red Bull or similar[/b] - to help with energy levels when long unscheduled rowing is required

1 x CellPhone in a waterproof pouch[/b] – an absolute must have, not to phone with (cause that chows battery power), but to send an Emergency SMS with, save the NSRI number on your phone, did you know a celphone can be used to track you ?

A SPARE PADDLE[/b] - even a cheapie, it could save your life, cause on a kayak if you lose your paddle you are in BIG TROUBLE. You get the small ones with the hard plastic paddle (like we must have on our boats), they will fit in your fish hatch and don’t take a lot of space.

1 x Smoke Marker[/b] – best USED DURING THE DAY when a rescue vessel CAN BE SEEN. They create a orange cloud around you and they float. I repeat, only when you can see the “rescue vessel”

2-4 x Pencil Flares[/b] – not great but good enough to attract attention to yourself, either when fairly close to shore or when you can see another vessel. Best at night, cause they are normally “white” flares.

2 x Rocket Parachute Flares[/b] – the best of the bunch, these go much higher, are visible for longer and hang in the air for longer, they are also red, so can be used day or night. YOU MUST HAVE 2 OF THEM.


To put into perspective

My boat is seaworthied Category B, and I have all the safety equipment required by law, but on top of that, I also have EXTRA flares, I also have a SEALED handheld GPS, I carry emergency food and I carry 50L of drinking water, why, WELL JUST IN CASE. There are also more extras but the point is not listing everything, the point is I prepare myself for the day when things don’t go as planned.

My boat is also foamed more than required, with ATLEAST 80% of the hull filled with foam, not because of the law, but because anything can happen and if it happens I want my vessel to float, NOT SINK, cause the vessel as bigger than me, easier to spot from the air, and can and will make the rescue much quicker.

A white boat looks great, but I don’t care about looking good, I want to be seen if I need help, for that reason my boat is red and yellow, sure it would have looked much nicer in white, but that’s not the point.

I’m also required to carry spares and tools, but any person that’s worked on a boat will tell the you spares you MUST CARRY is pretty useless, and because of that I carry much more than is required by law. Everything is vacuum packed and put in a dedicated location, including extra screwdrivers, an extra plug spanner, a spare battery, jumper cables, wiring that’s TWICE the length of my vessel, extra nuts, bolts, screws and even a SPARE FUEL PUMP. Not because the law says so, but because I want the ability to help myself out in the deep if I have to.

If my boat was to break out in the deep I would only start worrying after 7 days at sea, cause at this stage, I have enough to keep me and 5 other people pretty comfortable for that long. Again not because the law says so, because as skipper and owner of the vessel, ITS MY RESPONSIBILITY. If it were to happen and they get to us 5 days after it happened they'll probably find us fishing and still having fun, since we won't be able to row to shore. We'll be well fed and well hydrated during that period. 

On a kayak, your safety and wellbeing IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY.

I might have missed a few things, but this is what came to mind as I typed this.

Catch big fish, and lots of them, but think ahead for your own safety.
 

MouseDog

Senior Member
There a basic set of rules/regulations that must be adhered to, this is true for ski-boaters as well, if you are happy with them, stick to them, if you are really concerned with your own safety, take some extra precautions.

Most of us are adults, so it will only make sense that we look after ourselves, why do we have to have a set of rules to tell us what we must have to make us safer when on the water, it is common sense like: If you want to jump out of an aeroplane, make sure you have a working parachute; so if you want to go to sea, make sure you have the right equipment
 

FAULTY

Senior Member
MouseDog wrote:
There a basic set of rules/regulations that must be adhered to, this is true for ski-boaters as well, if you are happy with them, stick to them, if you are really concerned with your own safety, take some extra precautions. Most of us are adults, so it will only make sense that we look after ourselves, why do we have to have a set of rules to tell us what we must have to make us safer when on the water, it is common sense like: If you want to jump out of an aeroplane, make sure you have a working parachute; so if you want to go to sea, make sure you have the right equipment

Mouse we have been down this road on Sealine so many times and certain members have there own versions of what they felt  was the law. The bare minimum given to us (SAKFA) by SAMSA is the following -

 PFD

750ml water

10metres rope

Bailing device

 Projectile flare set

  Over & above this minimum we reccomend that the paddler has -

Cellphone

Paddle leash

Advised someone where he is launching and what route he intends taking

 A boat sticker with an emergency number on that should his boat be found by say the NSRI ,they can alert the paddlers next of kin 

Checked weather reports prior to launching

Common sense
 

JanF

New member
i think we need one of those orangle smoke flairs.  its harder to miss that than a pensil flair
 
neilg wrote:
Kayak safety equipment
 
Small first aid kit

Orange / Yellow Buoyancy Aid (SABS) with Whistle

100m x Anchor Rope, 2m chain and a anchor

1  x Rigged Drogue Anchor

1 x Rigged Orange ID Sheet

1 x Fog Horn

1 x Handheld Compass

1 x Handheld GPS with SPARE BATTERIES in a Waterproof  pouch

1 x Rescue Blanket

1 x Signalling Mirror

1 x Waterproof Torch with Spare Batteries and Spare Bulb

1L drinking water

2-3x Energy Bars for food

1 x CellPhone in a waterproof pouch

A SPARE PADDLE, even a cheapie, it could safe your life

1 x Smoke Marker

2-4 x Pencil Flares

2 x Rocket Parachute Flares
thats quite the list there... unfortunately with all of that on the kayak, there would be no space for tackle and gear or even the fish you catch.

I am however not saying that i disagree with your impressive list and have personally added one or 2 of those items into my normal safety bottle over and above what is required. ...

However you have missed one item that we all already have... Common sense. Think before you do.

Not matter how experienced, if you are testing your limits, don't go out by yourself,. Leave word with who ever that you are going to X, paddling to Y and will be back by the latest at Z.  in the event of a no show at Z, then who ever should start investigating. SAKFA started a cell phone registration system for such events.

At the end of the day, you as the paddler / skipper of the craft are responsible for your own safety.



 
 

Danie Burger

Senior Member
WoW, I cannot say it better than ThefishinMagician

Thanx m8 excactly what I thought as I read the post and common sense is the way to go. ie getting in trouble 1km out on the sea under normal kayaking conditions, I'll leave the ski & swim or phone a friend, or shoot my flare or just ask my friend to help me.

As ThefishinMagician said "COMMON SENSE"

If you don't have it stay off our roads, ocean and the skies please.
 

neilg

Sealiner
Not at all Faulty

the safety equipment looks like alot, but you know what, IT'S NOT.
The listed equipment would not weight over 3kg and would easily fit in a kayaks "dry hatch".

As an example, the rope for your anchor, because you and your vessel weight next to nothing in marine terms you could use 5mm ski-rope with a very thin chain and a very small anchor.

You can get tiny drogue anchors.

In fact, a river boat needs more than this (except for the flares)
 

neilg

Sealiner
Danie Burger wrote:
Danie, where can I meet you ?

I will bring all the items listed and show you just how little space it will take on your kayak.

It's not about being sarcastic or anything else, I want to show you, cause you know why, I had a kayak, which I sold agan (and never used it), and I put all those on it, WITHOUT TRYING HARD.

After I've done it we can see how much space you "lost", and even take a pic and post it on Sealine to show everyone how easy it is to do.

 
 

MichaelK

Sealiner
Now nielg, i'd love to see you out on the water one day with all your safety equipment. Because you won't be fishing mate - no room for the fishing tackel. Lol what a joke.

What i can't underastand about you neil is that you have actively participated in threads relating to Kayak safety in the past yet you continue to flog a dead horse.

Faulty has indicated the safety equipment that SAMSA requires and most fishing ski clubs add additional safety requirements.

As for distance from shore, we are not classed as an E class vessel and hence should not be going 1 or 2 nm out to see. SAMSA dictates that we should fish 1000m from shore max.

BUT YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN TOLD TO REPETITIVELY.
 

neilg

Sealiner
MichaelK wrote:
BUT YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN TOLD TO REPETITIVELY.
Michael

Please I beg you, show me where in the SAMSA rules does it state 1000m, please show me.

That is for NATAL not the rest of South Africa, like you know, cause it was discussed quite a while back, and if memory serves me correct YOU said it's only for Natal.

Sinse you are so well informed and 1000m is the limit, why do MOST PE anglers launch Sardinia bay in PE and fish OUTSIDE the Sardinia Bay MPA ? cause the MPA runs 1nm into the sea (also discussed in YOUR KAYAKING SECTION not too long ago)

Why do they launch off Something Good (in PE) and fish the Bell Buoy ? Which is also more than 1nm out at sea ...

All these locations are 1nm PLUS, not 1000m and closer.
 

Beerracuda

Senior Member
Kayak safety equipment




  • Small first aid kit [/*]
  • Orange / Yellow Buoyancy Aid (SABS) with Whistle [/*]
  • 100m x Anchor Rope, 2m chain and a anchor [/*]
  • 1  x Rigged Drogue Anchor [/*]
  • 1 x Rigged Orange ID Sheet [/*]
  • 1 x Fog Horn [/*]
  • 1 x Handheld Compass [/*]
  • 1 x Handheld GPS with SPARE BATTERIES in a Waterproof  pouch [/*]
  • 1 x Rescue Blanket [/*]
  • 1 x Signalling Mirror [/*]
  • 1 x Waterproof Torch with Spare Batteries and Spare Bulb [/*]
  • 1L drinking water [/*]
  • 2-3x Energy Bars for food [/*]
  • 1 x CellPhone in a waterproof pouch [/*]
  • A SPARE PADDLE, even a cheapie, it could safe your life [/*]
  • 1 x Smoke Marker [/*]
  • 2-4 x Pencil Flares [/*]
  • 2 x Rocket Parachute Flares
[/*]
Can you imagine all of that sqeezed inside your dry hatch. You would have to pull everything out to get to the energy bars. That aint cool at all.
 

tauruck

Sealiner
I would go with SAKFA on this one. Carrying all the stuff Neil suggests would be great but getting to it in an emergency would prove to be Very difficult. When S@#t goes down it's not like one can push the pause button in order to unpack. I'm 100% with Faulty who has adressed this very subject many times before but nobody really took notice etc.
 

MichaelK

Sealiner
Neilg, you will argue with a dead horse. Bull Sh*t baffels brains.

No matter how you try convince us SAMSA has already place regulations for us to abide to.

The regulations are not just for KZN mate, SAMSA regulates all our waters.

You argue with Faulty - Kieth Hockley - Babba you have no idea what you are talking about.

Read the first paragraph of the letter addressed to Kieth by SAMSA ---- correct me if i'm wrong, but 1 km equates to 1000m right.

 
 

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MichaelK

Sealiner
neilg wrote:
MichaelK wrote:
BUT YOU KNOW THAT BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN TOLD TO REPETITIVELY.
Michael

Please I beg you, show me where in the SAMSA rules does it state 1000m, please show me.

That is for NATAL not the rest of South Africa, like you know, cause it was discussed quite a while back, and if memory serves me correct YOU said it's only for Natal.

Sinse you are so well informed and 1000m is the limit, why do MOST PE anglers launch Sardinia bay in PE and fish OUTSIDE the Sardinia Bay MPA ? cause the MPA runs 1nm into the sea (also discussed in YOUR KAYAKING SECTION not too long ago)

Why do they launch off Something Good (in PE) and fish the Bell Buoy ? Which is also more than 1nm out at sea ...

All these locations are 1nm PLUS, not 1000m and closer.
Yes i agree with you i am well informed, however i see you are not
 

neilg

Sealiner
Michael

I have read that letter before, IT'S STILL NOT part of South African Maritime Safety Authority
Marine Notice No. 13 of 2007
nor any update of it ...

That is simply communication between 2 parties, and means nothing to the majority that hasn't read it.

and the act that I'm referring to states (copied from it)

"14 Application of the regulations to “very small” pleasure vessels"

"The smaller pleasure vessels such as kayaks, canoes, sailing dinghies and other sailing vessels under 7
metres, rowing boats and other vessels powered by human-power, power driven vessels powered by
engines ≤15 HP, jet skis and the like are either exempted from parts of the regulations or have special
provisions which apply to them, briefly as follows;"

"Vessels less than 3 metres may not go to sea except in areas designated by a regulating authority, but
in any event no more than 1000 metres offshore. This restriction might not apply on inland waters as
they are not “going to sea” but they must still be operated in the areas designated for their use by the
regulating authority"

Now I ask you, HOW LONG IS YOUR KAYAK, and when you answer me ( I know it's longer than 3m anyway), please tell me where in "South African Maritime Safety Authority Marine Notice No. 13 of 2007" does it say you are limited to 1000m based on your kayaks length ...

And reading that letter again, it seems that Mr Hockly told SAMSA that they won't operate more than 1000m, meaning it is a standard set by either Mr Hockly or the club he belongs to, it IS NOT A NATIONAL STANDARD.

As a note
length of kayaks :
MacSki : 4.35m
Popes : 4.2m
Splash : 3.7, 3.8, 4.6m

Michael up to this point I have been driven by events, concerns and facts, while you have not, you have insulted me, my intelligence and with a few other claims and insults, please stick to facts like I do and stay away from name calling, it is not a personal issue between me and you.

I voice a serious concern for general safety at sea, not just for kayakers, but also for other vessel anglers and incidents that will / have / might occur, I don't insult you nor do I insult Danie, or any kayaker for that matter.

Stick to facts, if you don't agree with me then go to one of my posts and click IGNORE MEMBER.
 

Beerracuda

Senior Member
A letter you say.

According to SAMSA Cape Town branch spokesman Barry Jaber,  Natal has a separate legislation regarding the distance one can paddle out to see. It was an agreement between SAMSA and the Kayak clubs withing Natal.

Yes you are quite correct in saying that one may not paddle more than 1km out to sea. But here's the catch, that law only applies to Natal ski anglers who are affiliated to a club, the 1km law does not apply to any other coastal province. Why this is I'm not sure but it's fact . In PE and other provinces, as long as a non powered vessel is 3m and longer. it can be launched anywhere and go out as far as is wanted. However. according to Barry Jaber, the law will change to bring all provinces in line with whats happening in Natal, but for now that's not the case



Barry Jaber 021 4216170
 

MichaelK

Sealiner
The fact of the matter is that with all your thesis you are still incorrect and insist on misinforming the general public.

SAKFA has communicated directly with SAMSA and obtained its safety requirements.

Do us all a favour  (and i'm not being overly agressive towards you now) and contact Hilton Jones at SAMSA.

Because you somehow seem to know even more than SAMSA themselves do.

Once you have done that, then communicate with me again.

Oh and by the way, if you took the time, you would have seen that the letter addressed to SAKFA was from SAMSA ( Letter head and date stamped)
 

neilg

Sealiner
Michael
I don't care about the letter, forget about the letter, it's communication between 2 parties, IT'S NOT IN THE LAWS, end of it, that letter means jack poopoo to me and every other person that IS NOT PART OF THAT CLUB. I don't care that SAMSA wrote the letter, cause they didn't write it to every kayaker in South Africa, they send it to a person who is part of a club.

What exactly is there that you don't understand Michael, go read the rules, those rules you claim you know, go read the rules again and again and again until YOU SEE WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THEM.

You claim to know, you come onto YOUR kayaking section and then give people the wrong information, you with the kayaking experience, with the club membership and the letter that is communication between 2 PARTIES.

Then you want to argue with me about the fact THAT I COPIED THE STUFF from the SAMSA regulations and POSTED IT without editing it on Sealine. It cannot be wrong, because highlighting something and then pressing CTRL-C and CTRL-P really doesn't leave margin for error my man.

I say again (this time in my own words)
if the human propelled vessel is UNDER 3M it's limited to 1000m from shore, your kayak is not under 3 m, it is OVER 3M therefore, that rule DOES NOT APPLY TO YOU or any other person that has a kayak that is longer than 3m.

Your 1000m limit has to do with your club, cancel your membership then you can also row in as deep as you please with even less safety equipment than a Cat-R vessel.

Please before you reply AGAIN, go read the damn SAMSA regulations ...
 
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