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- Thread starter keitho
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Hi there
You can try Vastfontein bass estate in Rooiwal just north of Pretoria. You can call them at 083 333 0324.
You can also try the quarry in Pretoria west. I tried to include a google earth immage, but could not get it right. The gps coordinates are:
25 43 26.09 S
28 06 58.52 E
If you look on google earth at those coordinates you will see the quarry in a very dry condition. It should be better now. Please be carefull. DO NOT GO ALONE. Also, keep an eye on your vehicle. We have never had an incident there, but there are a few unsavoury caracters hanging around.
I hope you released that fish at RDW! It's just disgusting to visit RDW in the spawn to see the females full of eggs being hauled out and killed in their hundreds. No wonder the results at RDW is declining so badly.
Hope you some at Vastfontein or the quarry!
You can try Vastfontein bass estate in Rooiwal just north of Pretoria. You can call them at 083 333 0324.
You can also try the quarry in Pretoria west. I tried to include a google earth immage, but could not get it right. The gps coordinates are:
25 43 26.09 S
28 06 58.52 E
If you look on google earth at those coordinates you will see the quarry in a very dry condition. It should be better now. Please be carefull. DO NOT GO ALONE. Also, keep an eye on your vehicle. We have never had an incident there, but there are a few unsavoury caracters hanging around.
I hope you released that fish at RDW! It's just disgusting to visit RDW in the spawn to see the females full of eggs being hauled out and killed in their hundreds. No wonder the results at RDW is declining so badly.
Hope you some at Vastfontein or the quarry!
[color=#006600]Maveric[/color] wrote:
This is an argument I have had with many bass anglers - The removal of bass from this system is good - it helps the bass get to a decent size as it reduces competition for food.
Biggest reason for RDW declining is the fish are becomming "hookwise" due to fishing pressure.
Bass have been removed every year for years and there is definately no decline in the Bass populations at RDW.
This is an argument I have had with many bass anglers - The removal of bass from this system is good - it helps the bass get to a decent size as it reduces competition for food.
Biggest reason for RDW declining is the fish are becomming "hookwise" due to fishing pressure.
Bass have been removed every year for years and there is definately no decline in the Bass populations at RDW.
Ryan, the "culling" of smaller Bass (or introducing a "slot limit") can be "good" in most waters at certain stages in the life-cycle of those waters.
BUT, the large-scale and indiscriminate removal of big Bass and, especially, spawning females in any water can never be "good" for the Bass population ...
Sure, the Bass population may "bounce back" over time IF given an opportunity to do so, BUT if you keep removing the biggest Bass with the best growth potential (and genes), its insanity/stupidity to those who desire a good Bass fishery ...
Add to the equation deteriorating water quality (due to pollution - and the rooting habits of Carp), predation by Catfish (Barbel) and bigger Kurper, then rather few Bass fingerlings will survive to adulthood in most waters. Then those that do must run the gauntlet of the "catch and kill/cook" brigade during the spawning season!
I am equally miffed at the slaughter of our Yellowfish during their spawning season ...
It is really important to give some species a break at spawning time. It is also important to release the bigger specimens of ALL species if we want to conserve our fish stocks and ensure good, sustainable fisheries.
Of wat praat ek?
BUT, the large-scale and indiscriminate removal of big Bass and, especially, spawning females in any water can never be "good" for the Bass population ...
Sure, the Bass population may "bounce back" over time IF given an opportunity to do so, BUT if you keep removing the biggest Bass with the best growth potential (and genes), its insanity/stupidity to those who desire a good Bass fishery ...
Add to the equation deteriorating water quality (due to pollution - and the rooting habits of Carp), predation by Catfish (Barbel) and bigger Kurper, then rather few Bass fingerlings will survive to adulthood in most waters. Then those that do must run the gauntlet of the "catch and kill/cook" brigade during the spawning season!
I am equally miffed at the slaughter of our Yellowfish during their spawning season ...
It is really important to give some species a break at spawning time. It is also important to release the bigger specimens of ALL species if we want to conserve our fish stocks and ensure good, sustainable fisheries.
Of wat praat ek?
I guess we can agree to disagree.
At RDW the Spawning beds are not confined to where the guys are removing the fish. And lets be honest most of the guys who own boats do practise catch and release. The Hook and cook brigade take everything they catch home.
Culling - should not be confined to little ones or big ones for that matter but should be indescriminate throughout the size range.
In RDW bass have wiped out Dwarf Tigerfish - they are making a huge dent on the smaller Ghielie and vlei and dwarf kurper populations.
What is going to be left in a few years - a monoculture of barbel, bass and carp like many of our dams......Hmmmmm removing a few bass will not do any damage in my books no matter how big they are......
Yellowfish are a indeginous "Threatend Species" you can hardly compare the two.
Big Bass No hard feeling bud like I said "Agree to disagree"
At RDW the Spawning beds are not confined to where the guys are removing the fish. And lets be honest most of the guys who own boats do practise catch and release. The Hook and cook brigade take everything they catch home.
Culling - should not be confined to little ones or big ones for that matter but should be indescriminate throughout the size range.
In RDW bass have wiped out Dwarf Tigerfish - they are making a huge dent on the smaller Ghielie and vlei and dwarf kurper populations.
What is going to be left in a few years - a monoculture of barbel, bass and carp like many of our dams......Hmmmmm removing a few bass will not do any damage in my books no matter how big they are......
Yellowfish are a indeginous "Threatend Species" you can hardly compare the two.
Big Bass No hard feeling bud like I said "Agree to disagree"
[color=#0066cc]Ryan[/color] wrote:
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With the prevalence of illegal gill-netting targeting Kurper in many waters, we may just be left with Barbel and Carp
...[color=#0066cc]Ryan[/color] wrote:
Most, if not all, of our waters/ fisheries lack a coherent management plan. Fisheries, especially smaller waters, must be managed for best results ...
For those who understand genetics, "culling" should never be indiscriminate nor continue indefinitely, but be instituted for a limited period and targeted to achieve a specfied and desired result ...
Most, if not all, of our waters/ fisheries lack a coherent management plan. Fisheries, especially smaller waters, must be managed for best results ...
Hi There
Thanks for the welcome! Much appreciated.
Unfortunately I have the catch records that proves that the fishing results at RDW is declining quite badly. As an example, this past Saturday we finished 5th in the monthly comp with a tiny little bag of 3.5 kg, and we only caught our limit fish at 15:15! The winning bag was below 6kgs, and there were some very knowledgeable anglers taking part in the comp like Izak de Beer, John Bulpitt and Gordon Brown.
Two or three years ago I would not have bothered to take a 3.5kg bag to the scales in a comp at RDW at the end of November.
Yes, I agree that some of the spawning areas are not accessible to the hook and cook brigade. I would estimate about 20% of the spawning fish can do so without being targeted. Maybe this contributes to RDW holding up for so long.
I guess (hope?) that the murder of 3 and 4 kg females will continue until the fishing declines to a point where it is not worth driving to RDW any more. Hopefully the number of inconsiderate anglers will then reduce accordingly, and give the fish stock an opportunity to recover. The reason (in my opinion) that RDW has held up relatively well to date is simply because it is just such a perfect bass habitat and there is so much cover and structure. I don't think it will hold up for ever though.
This cycle is busy happening at Harties as in general Harties is regarded as much less productive than RDW. However, if I were to go fishing socially this coming weekend, I'd launch at Harties in stead of RDW simply based on expected results.
I just find it totally heartbreaking to see a net with at least 30 huge females being lifted from the water and but in the back of a vehicle. The fish is not prepared and kept cold to be enjoyed at home. I can not believe that a single family could consume that amount of fish without wasting it. In any case, bass is not that tasty!
Maybe I'm just being nostalgic, but damn I miss those days when you sat in a boring meeting on a Wednesday morning and ran your index finger over your course thumbs said to yourself "I must remember to take an extra packet of watermelon seed flukes on Saturday"
To each his own, I guess.
Thanks for the welcome! Much appreciated.
Unfortunately I have the catch records that proves that the fishing results at RDW is declining quite badly. As an example, this past Saturday we finished 5th in the monthly comp with a tiny little bag of 3.5 kg, and we only caught our limit fish at 15:15! The winning bag was below 6kgs, and there were some very knowledgeable anglers taking part in the comp like Izak de Beer, John Bulpitt and Gordon Brown.
Two or three years ago I would not have bothered to take a 3.5kg bag to the scales in a comp at RDW at the end of November.
Yes, I agree that some of the spawning areas are not accessible to the hook and cook brigade. I would estimate about 20% of the spawning fish can do so without being targeted. Maybe this contributes to RDW holding up for so long.
I guess (hope?) that the murder of 3 and 4 kg females will continue until the fishing declines to a point where it is not worth driving to RDW any more. Hopefully the number of inconsiderate anglers will then reduce accordingly, and give the fish stock an opportunity to recover. The reason (in my opinion) that RDW has held up relatively well to date is simply because it is just such a perfect bass habitat and there is so much cover and structure. I don't think it will hold up for ever though.
This cycle is busy happening at Harties as in general Harties is regarded as much less productive than RDW. However, if I were to go fishing socially this coming weekend, I'd launch at Harties in stead of RDW simply based on expected results.
I just find it totally heartbreaking to see a net with at least 30 huge females being lifted from the water and but in the back of a vehicle. The fish is not prepared and kept cold to be enjoyed at home. I can not believe that a single family could consume that amount of fish without wasting it. In any case, bass is not that tasty!
Maybe I'm just being nostalgic, but damn I miss those days when you sat in a boring meeting on a Wednesday morning and ran your index finger over your course thumbs said to yourself "I must remember to take an extra packet of watermelon seed flukes on Saturday"
To each his own, I guess.
[color=#006600]BigBass[/color] wrote:
I agree but which public waters are managed in this country???
[color=#006600]Maveric[/color] wrote:
Seems are dams are very cyclical - fishing is good and everybody pulls in the and hammers the fish and the fishing declines - people move to a new venue and the "old venue" is able to rehabilitate.
Sadly baitfish stocks in RDW are declining at a rapid rate due to Bass Population pressure and this may attribute to the decline in siza fish.
Again if things we managed and regulated we would all be singing a different story.
Maverick just to mention that was a well thought out reply - Nice one
Nice reply,
Seems are dams are very cyclical - fishing is good and everybody pulls in the and hammers the fish and the fishing declines - people move to a new venue and the "old venue" is able to rehabilitate.
Sadly baitfish stocks in RDW are declining at a rapid rate due to Bass Population pressure and this may attribute to the decline in siza fish.
Again if things we managed and regulated we would all be singing a different story.
Maverick just to mention that was a well thought out reply - Nice one
