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Ryan

Sealiner
[color=#006600]BigBass[/color] wrote:
So, there does seem to be a decline in the Bass population at RDW if catch resluts are anything to go by ... One can only abuse a resource for a limited time before the damage sets in ...
"SIZE" fish and I would believe this is due to Population pressure(lack of food resources) - I have always had good success there but pulling "dinks" and I am sure that Maverick will confirm that he weighed a full bag but the fish were little ones....:wfish
 

Maveric

New member
Hi There

Definately not lack of food!  The baitballs in RDW over the weekend is bigger than my boat, and you find them every few meters.  We were actually speculating on the weekend that it is just too easy for the big mammas to bust a baitball and go into hiding for the rest of the day.  No need to feed. 

We were forced to focus on generating reaction strikes, as feeding strikes were simply not happening.
 

Maveric

New member
Sorry guys, missed your previous post.

Yep we weighed 5 fish.  What a struggle though.  We boated our first fish at 11am on a spinnerbait in the wind.  At 3:15pm we still only had 4 fish and were ready to give up. 

We tried a "last" spot and found some active fish very shallow (it took us 10 minutes to get into the spot through the grass).  Within 20 minutes we landed about 10 fish.  One of them was about a kg, my partner dropped another one of the same size, and the rest were all scrappies.

The comical bit was that we had to get out of the grass (into the strong wind) and then make it to the weigh-in by 4.  We were actually culling fish on the move as there was no time to cull while we were in the fish.

See ya.
 

keitho

New member
thanx for the help

any good size & population bass at the quarry in pta west

yes, i agree regarding rdw, it makes me very angry to see people taking the females. they are not there for the sport, but to f%$# around and destroy the bass population. do you know anything about the quarry out in lynnwood drive pta east.

have a nice day

regards

keith
 

Andre Laas

Sealiner
Oi… This is a very complex and controversial subject in both scientific and angling circles.

 

It is very difficult to comment without doing a full ecological study (well, I was taught not to comment without necessary results for proof) but I will try.

 

To start with, bass is an “alien” species (meaning that it is not indigenous) and is an “invasive” species (meaning that it tends to easily adapt to an environment, and tend to out-compete existing species). Thus (Bassers, please do not rip my head of… yet) they are not supposed to be in our waters in the first place. Although I enjoy bass angling a lot myself, no one can get around the fact that they have done extensive damage to many of our indigenous species. The bass angling industry is a multi-million Rand industry, and surely must have an impact on the economy, but it comes at a price.

 

Uncontrolled harvesting of fish in any water body is always troublesome, and can never have any good consequences! No matter what the species, the aim of these netting practices is to remove as much as possible to serve as food and a source of income. Although one can try to understand the plight of some of the culprits, it can never be justified in my opinion. Money is the root of all evil as usual! If netting were to take place on a subsistence basis (a practice that have been going on for thousands of years with little ill effect on fish populations in big water bodies), the netters would take what they need, and stop at that until the next time the need arises to collect food. However, with the plethora of hungry mouths in close quarters to the dams, there is a lucrative market for the netter and soon the once subsistence netter turns into a “fish magnate” and syndicates develop that have the “power” to threaten and bribe any authority trying to intervene (with which I also have a gripe, but that is another story!)

 

Thus, although it is very controversial to protect bass and the bass fishing industry, it is always sad to see healthy beautiful animals removed from a body of water for pure financial gain.

 

It would be difficult to tell to what extent the netting is affecting the bass population at RDW as I have never even been there myself. The netting of brooding mothers will definitely have a significant effect on both the numbers of bass (recruitment) as well as the average size of fish landed, as the whoppers are not called “beeg mommas” for nothing. Factors that come into play include the removal of competition (food, space, and breeding grounds), changes in baitfish populations, change in age and sex structures of the remaining bass etc. One should also take into account other natural and anthropological environmental effects such as the changing climate, chemical pollution, biological pollution, water abstraction (concentrating substances in the remaining water). All of these aspects can work together or against each other in a complex web that will be difficult to unravel even by scientific studies!

 

This brings up another extremely important point that has been mentioned…Resource Management!  This is something that is creating huge stirs in aquatic science circles as we speak, and have been the cause of much controversy of late. Accusations are already flying in all directions between governmental agencies, NGO’s, scientists, politicians etc. etc. The bottom line is however that none of this is doing any good for our water resources!!! Our water resources are declining in quality and quantity at an alarming rate, and serious intervention is needed if we are to save our drinking water resources, never mind recreational resources. We definitely need more scientists and water resource managers in SA, but they should also be provided with the necessary support and funding to do something about the state of our waters.
 

Maveric

New member
I also agree that this is a very complex and controversial issue. However we as anglers have no influence on how much fertilizer the farmers in the area uses or if the government uses the R140 that they charge us to go fishing at RDW to as they should.
What we have an influence on is how anglers themselves behave. Therefore I am of the opinion that each bass angler should make the effort to understand how to remove a hook from a fish's throat quickly, cleanly and effectively. Each bass angler should also understand how to stop the bleeding when occasionally you hook a fish and the wound bleeds a lot. All I am asking for is that we as anglers educate ourselves on how to practice catch and release properly, and release those busses when we are privileged enough to hook them.
 

scuba

Senior Member
were you guys struggling with you battery and motor in the grass on saturday?

[color=#006600]Maveric[/color] wrote:
Sorry guys, missed your previous post.

Yep we weighed 5 fish.  What a struggle though.  We boated our first fish at 11am on a spinnerbait in the wind.  At 3:15pm we still only had 4 fish and were ready to give up. 

We tried a "last" spot and found some active fish very shallow (it took us 10 minutes to get into the spot through the grass).  Within 20 minutes we landed about 10 fish.  One of them was about a kg, my partner dropped another one of the same size, and the rest were all scrappies.

The comical bit was that we had to get out of the grass (into the strong wind) and then make it to the weigh-in by 4.  We were actually culling fish on the move as there was no time to cull while we were in the fish.

See ya.
 

Andre Laas

Sealiner
Maveric, Please share some of the handling aspects that you mentioned. By sharing that information on Sealine, you can "potentially" have an impact on the way thousands of anglers handle the fish they catch!!! It starts at home and with each and every one of us. Forums and TV shows present great opportunities for educating the masses of anglers in SA.

Keitho, you have the full right to get angry with these practices! It is different with scientifically backed practices, as with them the equipment used is more specific in terms of species and size, and it follows on serious research and peer review. However, illegal netting is nothing other than poaching, and is indiscriminate of size, species or population size. That makes me angry as can be, because now the "alien and invasive" buzzwords are being used to justify these practices, although a great deal of the fish harvested is also indigenous species.

Speaking of indigenous species..... If we can just get more people fishing for them, awareness on these species will be raised, which will help a lot for any drives to protect them. Although not all of the indigenous fish gives such a spectacular fight as bass does, there are a lot of challenges in fishing for them. Some do not fight much (such as the dwarf species), but are a real challenge to get on the hook, and others can give you an enormous fight (like catfish, the bigger kurper species and all the yellowfish species). They also provide diversity!

I feel strongly that the anglers of SA should start to unite to fight for our sport a whole lot more. Angling represents the biggest sport in SA, yet, receives just about the least recognition. Try and destroy one of the major rugby, soccer or cricket venues in SA, and see the reaction you get! Yet, just about the most of our angling venues are being destroyed by pollution and development, and yet anglers are complaining amongst themselves! We should start fighting for our sport!
 

Maveric

New member
We were in the grass, and as normal it builds up on the trolling motor. I keep two 125 Amp hour batteries on the boat specifically for use with the trolling motor only due to that kind of application, so they were ok. The wind did make it difficult though.
 

Maveric

New member
There was some other guy using his outboard in the grass. I am sure he can expect a busted seal very soon.
 

Maveric

New member
Thanks for the idea Critter.  I did not think of it that way, but you are right.  Maybe I can even earn some mana (wink, wink).

I think it would be best to divide the topic into basics and the slightly more advanced issues.

Basics:

1)      We all know about the slime layer that covers and protects bass against infections etc.  Therefore, always handle bass with wet hands.  Preferably do not touch the fish in any other place than the lower lip.  Never swing fish on board as they could separate from the hook and land on the deck (or back in the water).  Always either lip land or use a landing net for bigger fish.  Always make sure that you grip the fish properly when you handle it by its lower lip.  They have a habit of jerking quite violently and ripping free from your grip without any warning.  Never put the fish down on the ground or any other surface.  The fish either goes into the live well, or back into the water.

2)      Do not allow big bass to hang only by their bottom lip.  With bigger fish I mean fish in the 2kg + class.  The reason for this is exactly the same as never hanging a big kingie by its tail.  These fish needs to be treated with special care.  Always support the body of these fishes with your (wet) other hand (that is not holding on to the lip) for that photo opportunity.

3)      Keeping fish in a live well is not as simple as it sounds.  On Saturday for example, the water temperature was 26 degrees and the outside temperature was 34.  This means that the water contains / absorbs very little oxygen.  The inlet for water into the live well sucks water from very close to the surface, so not very cool and not very oxygen rich.  Naturally a recirculation pump is a must.  What I also do is to keep frozen bottles (1L) of water in the cooler box, and keep one in the live well from the moment the first fish goes in.  I also replace the ice bottle at regular intervals (say every two hours or so).  On very hot days I’ll even dump ice cubes in the live well.  I know that some anglers use salt in the live wells.  Apparently this prevents infection and calms the fish.  I have no experience with it.

4)      If you want to weigh your fish, never hook it in the gills.  I zero my scales with the landing net hang on it, and then I add the fish.

Slightly more advanced:

1)      Removing the hook is another issue that requires a bit of experience.  I find that holding the hook eye between forefinger and thumb and then using my middle finger placed in the bend of the hook to push in the opposite direction that it penetrated in dislodges it quite cleanly.

2)      From time to time a fish will swallow the bait (especially of the angler was slow on the strike), so the hook ends up in the back of the throat.   Simply ripping out the hook is not acceptable.  The correct way to deal with this issue is to take a pair of small long nose pliers or those surgical pincers and turn the hook around so that the shank of the hook basically points back into the fish’s throat.  The hook can then be pulled free by grabbing it with the pliers in the bend.  Under no circumstances touch the gills.  Not many bass anglers can perform this technique, so the general rule is to cut the line (leaving the hook in place) and either releasing the fish like that (not ideal), or if you are in a competition hand the fish over to the weigh master and mention to him that the fish has a hook in it’s throat.  Also, when you do see someone performing this hook removal, make sure that you look very carefully at what he is doing, and try it on the next 300mm fish you catch that swallows the hook.

3)      Once the hook is out, especially hooks that penetrates those boney cheek plates, it sometimes happens that the fish starts bleeding quite a bit through the wound.  Just like when we cut ourselves it may be that some blood vessel gets nicked.  The right thing to do is to apply pressure on the wound.  Simply pinch the wound between forefinger and thumb for 10 seconds or so before releasing the fish.

4)      Some competitive anglers use those little colored balls with a short bit of chain attached to mark fish for culling.  They work wonderfully.  The basic idea is that it can be quite a challenge to catch a specific bass to be culled in a live well when there are five fish in there. I lost a 1.2kg fish in the final of the ESA pro series on the Vaal river last year that I could only replace with a fish of 800 grams.  I missed the cut with a few grams (very expensive lesson).  The mistake that I made was to put the clip through the gills of the fish.  The correct way of doing it is to put the clip through the fish’s lip.  I prefer the bottom lip in the soft spot right in front where the two hard parts meet.

Basically, just respect this wonderful fighting fish, and handle with care.

P.S.  Sorry Scuba, it must have been another boat.
 

scuba

Senior Member
for the culling system i use those slincky funny things that people use to put there keys on with the spring like plastic. i have different colours to identify the fish. this allows me to not make any holes or damage to the fish...
 

Basla

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