I have just spent the long weekend at my beach cot
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Blueberrypie
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Tkei,
Thank you for your reply and edit. I now can assess your mettle.
I strongly support the protection of fish stocks.
I do not support your crusade & methods. Operate responsibly, maturely, by example, within SA law, and the results will surely follow.
Blueberrypie out!
Thank you for your reply and edit. I now can assess your mettle.
I strongly support the protection of fish stocks.
I do not support your crusade & methods. Operate responsibly, maturely, by example, within SA law, and the results will surely follow.
Blueberrypie out!
BBP,
I will happily repost the names, clubs etc, but it seems to have hit a nerve with the guys with something to hide. if guys have been down there with the right intensions and stayed "legal" then great.
Unfortunately, every single boat I have whitnessed misbehaving, bar 1 known Local boat, and others I have since dealt with, they have all been from , NATAL, and in particular 2 areas/ clubs. Shock and horror.
Are you perhjaps the guy i met on the slip way 2 years back who fished on a ski vee with a single 60hp tiller arm? The guiy fished with his wife or girlfrined or some other lady. When I boared the said boat to inspect the catch, shock and horro, i found 3 coppers for 2 anglers. The guy was unhappy with me inspecting the catch but I had a hunch things were amiss. A few words were had, but I had no support from the people with me. The said guy argued they belonged to the sister boat that was at sea. Why couldnt he carry his own fish?? Was he also full??? Shock and horror, he was from Richards Bay.
it came back to me that the guy was incensed at being checked. Why, because he was wrong???
I will continue to fisght for what i belive is just, and protect "my little sanctury" as it is the last remaining place where the quality of bottom fish we do catch can be caught. For how long??? I will do my best to ensure my son gets to catch fish there too.
I will happily repost the names, clubs etc, but it seems to have hit a nerve with the guys with something to hide. if guys have been down there with the right intensions and stayed "legal" then great.
Unfortunately, every single boat I have whitnessed misbehaving, bar 1 known Local boat, and others I have since dealt with, they have all been from , NATAL, and in particular 2 areas/ clubs. Shock and horror.
Are you perhjaps the guy i met on the slip way 2 years back who fished on a ski vee with a single 60hp tiller arm? The guiy fished with his wife or girlfrined or some other lady. When I boared the said boat to inspect the catch, shock and horro, i found 3 coppers for 2 anglers. The guy was unhappy with me inspecting the catch but I had a hunch things were amiss. A few words were had, but I had no support from the people with me. The said guy argued they belonged to the sister boat that was at sea. Why couldnt he carry his own fish?? Was he also full??? Shock and horror, he was from Richards Bay.
it came back to me that the guy was incensed at being checked. Why, because he was wrong???
I will continue to fisght for what i belive is just, and protect "my little sanctury" as it is the last remaining place where the quality of bottom fish we do catch can be caught. For how long??? I will do my best to ensure my son gets to catch fish there too.
Blueberrypie
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I have never fished in a boat in the Tkei> Sorry to disappoint.
ADMIN, is it possible to lock the thread now, as if things carry on, it may get into more of a mud slinging match than it already is, and of late we have seen how that has ended for some respected members of the site. I have had my say and will leave it now.
My appologies to anyone that I may have offended, rightly or wrongly. I belive in what I have posted and will fight to protect it.
My appologies to anyone that I may have offended, rightly or wrongly. I belive in what I have posted and will fight to protect it.
Blueberrypie
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Tkei, I diont know your boat, have never seen the launch site, however your long history of postings shows you have killed many Coppers in the past. Nice chatting & goodbye.
I have personally killed less than 15 coppers in my life, on the end of my rod. Others have caught ont he boat, yet I have released mine. if we had 1 or 2, then I released. The Big catch of Quota (3 last year) was the first 1 i caught all year, and we only kept 3 beacuse the last 1 caught was the guys 1st fish ever.
In 1 day you have researched a lot of my over 1500 postings. i belive a ,ot of these postings have been beneficial to others and to Sealine. I cant say the same about yours as too many 1 hit, 1 day wonders appear here.
Good bye.
In 1 day you have researched a lot of my over 1500 postings. i belive a ,ot of these postings have been beneficial to others and to Sealine. I cant say the same about yours as too many 1 hit, 1 day wonders appear here.
Good bye.
Wild Coast
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The locals talk at Mdumbi and Umtata Mouth area and have such things as cell phone camera,s so visting late night freezer trucks to collect fish from were these visiting boats are staying is a strong point of concern. Adam stick to what you are doing we want the bad foreign boats outs out of the Mdumbi area never to return. For those who are going to be willing to have there boat inspected after every launch and pay steep launching fees soon to be imposed for visiting boats then they are welcome.
But the time has come for all those visting boats who dont give a damm about our fishery to go fish in their own reserves and damage their own fish stocks and leave Mdumbi alone. for those visting boats who abise by the rules and want to share our fantastic fishery and who put something back into the community you guys are always welcome.
Its amazing how the local community plays a major role in this situation, and they seem to be the ones who phone us all back home and during copper breeding season their words seem to follow along these lines...These other boats are raping the ocean...Enough said
But the time has come for all those visting boats who dont give a damm about our fishery to go fish in their own reserves and damage their own fish stocks and leave Mdumbi alone. for those visting boats who abise by the rules and want to share our fantastic fishery and who put something back into the community you guys are always welcome.
Its amazing how the local community plays a major role in this situation, and they seem to be the ones who phone us all back home and during copper breeding season their words seem to follow along these lines...These other boats are raping the ocean...Enough said
Blueberrypie
New member
Wildcoast, at last sense without gun slinging. Before your post, I was had the idea only local boats were welcome in the obvious "brotherhood". You mentioned unscrupulous foreign boats...I gather all the local boats are forever law abiding. That's great news. I am an avid Shad Sheriff, where the law is king. No place for proven Copper thieves with me. If I visit one day, I hope I will be made to feel welcome, and not alienated as a Durban boy (as Tkei was eluding to). Remember the ocean is for ALL law abiding citizens to use equally. Tight lines and keep cool heads.
keep on rockin' tkei!
I'm beginning to loath more and more the selfish, self centered, arrogant and just plain stupid morons who feel it is their right to behave like pigs on or at the water.
When we include the recent slaughter of big breeding kob in the Breede river, then I'm afraid that generalising is not that unreasonable.
I'm beginning to loath more and more the selfish, self centered, arrogant and just plain stupid morons who feel it is their right to behave like pigs on or at the water.
When we include the recent slaughter of big breeding kob in the Breede river, then I'm afraid that generalising is not that unreasonable.
Blueberrypie wrote:
WTF??????????????????????????????????????????(Are you kidding me ?)
Blueberrypie wrote:
Only problem is your attitude stinks more than a truck load of crap, and characters like you should be banned from forums like sealine.
Quite a coincidence that your only posts ever on sealine are all on this mdumbi thread.
Its almost as if you joined just to make your munchkin little voice heard.
Well done to Tkei for exposing , its about time that real men who care about the environment, start speaking up and exposing those with unsavoury intentions and putting those with rotten attitudes in their place.
For someone with only 5 posts you sure think you can throw your weight around .Tkei,
Thank you for your reply and edit. I now can assess your mettle.
I strongly support the protection of fish stocks.
I do not support your crusade & methods. Operate responsibly, maturely, by example, within SA law, and the results will surely follow.
Blueberrypie out!
Only problem is your attitude stinks more than a truck load of crap, and characters like you should be banned from forums like sealine.
Quite a coincidence that your only posts ever on sealine are all on this mdumbi thread.
Its almost as if you joined just to make your munchkin little voice heard.
Well done to Tkei for exposing , its about time that real men who care about the environment, start speaking up and exposing those with unsavoury intentions and putting those with rotten attitudes in their place.
Blueberrypie
New member
Gallieman, I am supprised and disappointed you and Fedu rate someone based on the quantum of their previous posts.
Lets apply our minds:
We are all for preserving fish stocks, especially Coppers. Moaning, complaining, and hanling the matter outside the law will not work.
This method will:
For example if Tkei's boat was in KZN catching Garrick, and witnessed by Mr X as having caught 10 between 2 people (allowed 2 each). Mr X from the local Skiboat club tells all his mates, the boat name is splashed all over the web. They will obviously believe Mr X without a doubt. Tkei is now having to explain himself at every corner, at home, away, and tell everyone it wasn't true, thus naturally being construded as a liar.
What Mr X did not see is Tkei tagging, or simply releasing 9 out of the 10 Garrick. Facts are important. Now Tkei is a criminal.
Mr X can then retract his statement, however the damage has been done for Tkei.
I think this has happened with the boat Gaffer.
Another solution:
Visitors to sign an agreement before being given access to the launch site to allow a boat search by the club (cost added to launch fees)
We gather the coppers are breeding in August & September open season (approx 60 days).
I guess a local will love to have a job at R 70/ day down there. He will cost the club R4200.00 Max if he works every day. If you have 40 visitor launches in these 2 months, charge them an additional R105 for their search....all in the agreement. The guard can also assist with other club duties.
Are these ideas not more pro-active and practical?
Lets apply our minds:
We are all for preserving fish stocks, especially Coppers. Moaning, complaining, and hanling the matter outside the law will not work.
This method will:
- Get a tipoff from the local network as Wild Coast explained.
[/*] - Call the authorities with which a relationship must have been previously formed
[/*] - Evidence held[/*]
- Prosecution.[/*]
- End of story[/*]
- Next case[/*]
For example if Tkei's boat was in KZN catching Garrick, and witnessed by Mr X as having caught 10 between 2 people (allowed 2 each). Mr X from the local Skiboat club tells all his mates, the boat name is splashed all over the web. They will obviously believe Mr X without a doubt. Tkei is now having to explain himself at every corner, at home, away, and tell everyone it wasn't true, thus naturally being construded as a liar.
What Mr X did not see is Tkei tagging, or simply releasing 9 out of the 10 Garrick. Facts are important. Now Tkei is a criminal.
Mr X can then retract his statement, however the damage has been done for Tkei.
I think this has happened with the boat Gaffer.
Another solution:
Visitors to sign an agreement before being given access to the launch site to allow a boat search by the club (cost added to launch fees)
We gather the coppers are breeding in August & September open season (approx 60 days).
I guess a local will love to have a job at R 70/ day down there. He will cost the club R4200.00 Max if he works every day. If you have 40 visitor launches in these 2 months, charge them an additional R105 for their search....all in the agreement. The guard can also assist with other club duties.
Are these ideas not more pro-active and practical?
BBP,
Unfortunately, I could not get me ceel phone to login to sealione so I could not reply all weekend.
A lot of what Wild Coast said is very similar to what I have said. I HAVE NEVER said no visiting boats welcome. Re-read Post 9. I said "we need visiting boats to generate our income". Any club needs this.
part of our obligations, necessary to get our launch permit, is to have community involvement. We have always had involvement, but it now needs to be formalized.
We have to pay to train 2 community members in boat inspections, launch permit issuing, catch returns, species identification etc. This is easier said than done as the area has a very high illiteracy rate etc. We then have to pay these guys a monthly salary. The visiting boats will help us generate this income, as at present our bank account is overdrawn due to the application.
I would love to impose a launch rule that coppers are closed over breeding season, but this cant be policed or enforced as the countries law will over rule it. Govt needs to amend the laws and close them when they are breeding, not at any random time. 1 month of breedign season is NOT ENOUGH.
BBP, I agree with Guilty by association, BUT there is more evidence I have. Unfortunetely I cant prosecute on it, but it is reliable info.
Info the skipper of the said boat gave to others was totally different to what he gave to ME and my brother. WHY?? Is/ was there something to hide/ gain from it.
I appreciate that you also want the fish rersources preserved for future generations, but unfortunately not everyone does.
As for guys having a go about the number of posts, this is from experience. SEALINE has had many of these "Heated" topics where a guy logs on, causes trouble and is then never seen or heard from again. I hope you are not one of these, and hopefully you have some valuable input to offer all on Sealine.
Unfortunately, I could not get me ceel phone to login to sealione so I could not reply all weekend.
A lot of what Wild Coast said is very similar to what I have said. I HAVE NEVER said no visiting boats welcome. Re-read Post 9. I said "we need visiting boats to generate our income". Any club needs this.
part of our obligations, necessary to get our launch permit, is to have community involvement. We have always had involvement, but it now needs to be formalized.
We have to pay to train 2 community members in boat inspections, launch permit issuing, catch returns, species identification etc. This is easier said than done as the area has a very high illiteracy rate etc. We then have to pay these guys a monthly salary. The visiting boats will help us generate this income, as at present our bank account is overdrawn due to the application.
I would love to impose a launch rule that coppers are closed over breeding season, but this cant be policed or enforced as the countries law will over rule it. Govt needs to amend the laws and close them when they are breeding, not at any random time. 1 month of breedign season is NOT ENOUGH.
BBP, I agree with Guilty by association, BUT there is more evidence I have. Unfortunetely I cant prosecute on it, but it is reliable info.
Info the skipper of the said boat gave to others was totally different to what he gave to ME and my brother. WHY?? Is/ was there something to hide/ gain from it.
I appreciate that you also want the fish rersources preserved for future generations, but unfortunately not everyone does.
As for guys having a go about the number of posts, this is from experience. SEALINE has had many of these "Heated" topics where a guy logs on, causes trouble and is then never seen or heard from again. I hope you are not one of these, and hopefully you have some valuable input to offer all on Sealine.
Blueberrypie
New member
Tkei,
Another good method I think....
Pay the chap per inspection (eg attached)
The inspector gets paid every time he returns a sheet signed by the skipper, to the club manager. This way he will make sure he does his job, and your income in/out will balance for inspections.
I'm sure R25 per inspection will be acceptable for the inspector and the skipper.
Another good method I think....
Pay the chap per inspection (eg attached)
The inspector gets paid every time he returns a sheet signed by the skipper, to the club manager. This way he will make sure he does his job, and your income in/out will balance for inspections.
I'm sure R25 per inspection will be acceptable for the inspector and the skipper.
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Blueberrypie wrote:
Let me dissapoint you some more, if you havent noticed by now you live in south africa,
now in this lovely country, laws are continually broken for one good reason, the authorities who are supposed to inforce the law -dont!
Hence crime being rife.
Your above mentioned method has already been proven to not work.
A year or so ago people were "busted" for 3 fertilizer bags of mussels close to mdumbi.
They were charged by the local police and mcm officials , the same day the charges were dropped against the poachers and the 3 bags of mussels were divided equally among the police members and the mcm officials to take home.
Mmmmmm, now lets quickly reveiw this scenario: Law broken , law broken again , law broken again , and non of them enforced.
Typical of the new south african justice system.
Maybe in your perfect world this will work but Im afraid its not perfect and will not work.
Sorry but your ideas are not practical and what TKEI is doing is being pro active.
So what if a given law breaker is named and shamed , Its just toughies for him if he must bear the consequences of his actions.
Now if I were responsible for a launching site and guys are pulling in and doing as they please I will also do exactly as Tkei is. Good on you mate!Have some Mana!
Sorry for dissapointing you.
Let me dissapoint you some more, if you havent noticed by now you live in south africa,
now in this lovely country, laws are continually broken for one good reason, the authorities who are supposed to inforce the law -dont!
Hence crime being rife.
Your above mentioned method has already been proven to not work.
A year or so ago people were "busted" for 3 fertilizer bags of mussels close to mdumbi.
They were charged by the local police and mcm officials , the same day the charges were dropped against the poachers and the 3 bags of mussels were divided equally among the police members and the mcm officials to take home.
Mmmmmm, now lets quickly reveiw this scenario: Law broken , law broken again , law broken again , and non of them enforced.
Typical of the new south african justice system.
Maybe in your perfect world this will work but Im afraid its not perfect and will not work.
Sorry but your ideas are not practical and what TKEI is doing is being pro active.
So what if a given law breaker is named and shamed , Its just toughies for him if he must bear the consequences of his actions.
Now if I were responsible for a launching site and guys are pulling in and doing as they please I will also do exactly as Tkei is. Good on you mate!Have some Mana!
Blueberrypie wrote:
Wide open for bribes