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GregB1

New member
braid isnt gut, and hi is , wether its pink, red, blue , or yellow, no doubt about it, is one hell of alot more visable than any other line on the market hense the name (hi vis line) braids are often manufactured for specimen angling in olive green or even broken patterns thus not easy to identify in clean water or during the day , i only fish braid and my rigs and line are invisible under water,
 

I disagree with you diesel, it has been proven that the first coulour to disipate under water is yellows then oranges then redds etc the last colour being navy blue to dissapear under water. Braid is by far much more visible underwater than my hi vis, It is called hi vis gut only for the caster to see the gut in the air to reel up slack. My yellow gut is definatly much less visable than your braid.
 

deisel

Sealiner
thats very much a salt water application, but anyway each to his own, i wasnt saying you were wrong was just giving advice,
 

GregB1

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I am not a specimen fisherman (not that i have anything against them, i actually take my hat off to them for conserving and caring for the big specimen carp.) My hi vis gut suits my style of fishin, Where as braid suits the specimen angler more.
 

SHINO

Senior Member
camo braid doesnt need to disipate, as it jus blends... make like a tree... just joking guys... but i don't see how braid camo braid would be more visible than yellow line against a green/brown/black bottom
 

GregB1

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Yellow is the first colour do disapear underwater depths as light does not penetrate deep down. They need o camoflage braid but yet they make gut bright yellow, shows wich one is more visable i say.
 

GregB1

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Shino as deisel said, each to his own. Everyone has there own theories. Whatever suits you best you should go for, i suggest trile and error till you get what is rite for you.
 

GregB1

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Braid is camoflaged therefore less visable as it blends with the bottom very well. Deisel uses braid as it suits his fishing style best. I cant say braid is wrong as it is not. if i had to get into specimen i would change over to braid myself. Just the hi vis gut works well for me as a papgooi angler. The hi vis gut is 6 to 8m from  my feeding spot therefore does not really spook fish, It also helps allot in the wind ti cast as you can see the gut clearly in the air. The gut has also a low memory, Thats y i use it.
 

deisel

Sealiner
maybe you should try glow in the dark line, its great for night time when its windy cause you can see where you casting
 

SHINO

Senior Member
Fishing line colour
Lines come in many different colors. There are times when you want to see the line on the surface of the water, but then again there are times when you don't want your fish to see your line at all. We are still, in the infant stages as we know of no valid scientific tests done on the differences in catch ability associated with the use of variously-coloured lines.
Studies under controlled environments have shown that fish reacted differently to monofilament line in white (unpigmented), fluorescent white, fluorescent yellow, optically brightened green, and blue-green when a piece of bait was attached to these line samples. Fluorescent yellow was the colour most easily identified and learned. The slowest learning involved comparison of white and fluorescent-white lines. Still, all line colours were visible to fish in clear water.

Which line is least likely to trigger an avoidance response? Fish can learn to avoid or seek anything they see and associate either with danger or food. Nevertheless, we continue to catch fish, suggesting that the line-avoidance lesson isn't easily learned.
Clear lines appear to human eyes as white. Even fluorocarbon leaders are whitish and slightly visible in clear water. Non-fluorescent green lines tend to fade into greenish backgrounds underwater. Brown, red and black lines fade when backgrounds are brown and black. Still, dark green line is visible against light backgrounds, as is black line.
Background colour, not just water clarity or hue, affects line visibility.
These are human visual responses, and may not be what fish species see. Human colour vision is based on three sets of color-sensitive cones, while fish apparently use only two types of cones, orange and green. Green may appear brighter to fish than other line colours, even though we don't see it that way. Anglers gain confidence from any reduction in line visibility.

Ideally, but not practically an angler should have reels spooled with lines of different colours, making adapting to existing conditions easier. Gray-green line, though, fits many, if not most, fishing conditions, so many anglers compromise with this single line colour. If visual detection of light strikes is critical, a high-visibility line may increase hookups even if fish see the fluorescent line more easily.

The test is whether we catch more fish using a variety of colours of the same diameter. Hundreds of fish catches under controlled conditions are needed to make scientifically valid comparisons. Most anglers have only casual opinions based on fishing experiences in random conditions. Valid tests can't be accomplished during normal fishing, when variables affecting fish catches are too diverse. These colour tests are just one example on how to choose a colour that suits your fishing application.

extract of article from http://www.stywelynetightlines.co.za/article.html?articleID=21
 

SHINO

Senior Member
true the way i see it, it still boils down to personal choice as no tests are conclusive but they do say... Fluorescent yellow was the colour most easily identified and learned...
 

SHINO

Senior Member
ja lol not to mention extra bobins to spool them onto... i think ima buy all my different stages of line in gray green as it does seem to make the most sense 'Gray-green line, though, fits many, if not most, fishing conditions, so many anglers compromise with this single line colour.'
 

GregB1

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A large part of vision underwater is being able to distinguish different colors. Seeing colors underwater depends on the amount of light reaching the particular depth at which one is at. Another factor in seeing underwater is the condition of the waters and, more specifically, the conditions of the surface. There are several ways to make the colors easier to see. However, it is most important, to simply understand that colors change underwater and it is sometimes hard to distinguish between them.

One factor in seeing underwater is the fact that as light passes through the water it is absorbed, and much of it is lost in the process. This causes objects to lose their color as they go deeper down or further away. To add to this, the wavelengths that make up our perception of color are absorbed differently. The length the wavelength changes how fast the color is absorbed. Red has the longest wavelength, more than 700 nm. One "nm" stands for one nanometer, which is on millionth of a meter. After red comes orange which is somewhere in-between 700nm and 600nm. After orange comes yellow and so on, all the way down to the blues and purples which are the shortest at around 400 nm.




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Depending on the length of the color's wavelengths you can predict how a color will change underwater. For example, in clear water, the longest wavelength is lost first. So if you were in a pool swimming downward, the first color that would be hard to see is red.

Another factor in seeing color underwater, is the condition of the water. Light from the sun is reflected by the surface of the water. This means that the surface of the water can cause significant change in one's perception of color underwater. Different surfaces can be different amounts of bubbles, pollution, decomposing plants or plankton. Even if the change is simply more motion in the water, causing more bubbles and a different angle between the rays and the surface of the water, light would be absorbed faster, and color would be therefore lost faster. However, something such as plankton can significantly change perception of color underwater. This is because plankton absorbs violets and blues. So the presence of plankton would cause blue and violet objects to lose their colors much faster compared to red and yellow objects. Red was the first to lose its color in clear water, and the blues and violets were the last. So the condition of the water can ultimately reverse the situations, before the longer wavelengths were the first to be absorbed and with plankton the shorter wavelengths are the first. Thus, the condition of the water is a huge importance when seeing colors underwater.

Understanding how colors change at different depths and in different conditions is the first step, understanding what they change to and how to work with that is the next. In clear water, if you go down far enough a red object either appears unlighted or black. This makes since as clear water absorbs red light and eventually you can reach a depth where no red light reaches the object. The same thing could happen to a blue object in coastal waters, it could appear black. Even though red is absorbed faster in clear water and blue in coastal waters, all the colors are absorbed in water, just at different rates. So the farther you go down the less color is perceived. Plus, the further down you go different color objects all start to look the same color, the color they all look like tends to be the color that is best perceived in that water condition. For instance, if it was clear water, at a certain depth all the objects would start to look gray. So even before you reach a depth deep enough to make colors look black you can get easily confused between the different colors. One way to distinguish between different colors is their relative brightness or darkness. Several of the most visible colors are light, bright colors that cause a good brightness contrast with the dark water background. If there was a different background, such as white sand, darker colors would be easier to see. Another good way to distinguish different colors is to use two colors that cannot be mixed up in any type of water. A good example would be orange and green.
 

GregB1

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Red has the longest wavelength, more than 700 nm. One "nm" stands for one nanometer, which is on millionth of a meter. After red comes orange which is somewhere in-between 700nm and 600nm. After orange comes yellow and so on, all the way down to the blues and purples which are the shortest at around 400 nm. So red orange then yellow are the firt colours to disapear underwater DEPTHS.
 

SHINO

Senior Member
yes but you must also consider that these tests are done in clear water, how often do we fish clear dams?
 

deisel

Sealiner
these are also done according to human ability to pick up certain spectrums, they dont know exactly how carp sees
 

GregB1

New member
Exactly your post was tests done in clear water. My artical refers to the surface colour also playing a role in what colours are more visable underwater.
 
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