Hiya Guys, [b]I have for some time been toying
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kitefisher
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kitefisher
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@Andries...looks like a device from Mythbusters you got going on there! LoL
How are you going to see what happens inside the stack when you finally put that machine to work?
Trophy,one wont really be able to see the inside workings as it would be ideal to have the side-plate(handle-side) on during testing in order to have both the anti-reverse bearing and the dog assisting in unison.One can however,take a measurement with X-washer below the maingear,and then swop it with say, Carbontex.And on the Shimmies one can substitute it again with the Penn ht 100 washer(thicker) and take another reading,should give 3 very interesting if not different readings.
@Andries, a humble suggestion, I think you should make sure that all the reels you test are filled to more or less exactly level with the spool lip.I think Fluke mentioned earlier that a half-empty spool may need more inertia to start up than one that is filled to the brim.And once again thank you for taking the time to build your "gizmo/gadget"
@Andries...looks like a device from Mythbusters you got going on there! LoL
How are you going to see what happens inside the stack when you finally put that machine to work?
Trophy,one wont really be able to see the inside workings as it would be ideal to have the side-plate(handle-side) on during testing in order to have both the anti-reverse bearing and the dog assisting in unison.One can however,take a measurement with X-washer below the maingear,and then swop it with say, Carbontex.And on the Shimmies one can substitute it again with the Penn ht 100 washer(thicker) and take another reading,should give 3 very interesting if not different readings.
@Andries, a humble suggestion, I think you should make sure that all the reels you test are filled to more or less exactly level with the spool lip.I think Fluke mentioned earlier that a half-empty spool may need more inertia to start up than one that is filled to the brim.And once again thank you for taking the time to build your "gizmo/gadget"
AS mentioned, many variables exist and yes filling to the same capacity is important, but again, we can now test the difference.
A major fact that appreared on the first test.
I've got 0.55 T-line spooled.
At about 13kg, the spool slipped 2mm and settled again.
Without any changes to the setup, the elasticity in the line resulted in the scale reading dropping to as low as 6kg before settling.
So, braid may be the better option for such tests, even just spooling 10m or so on a test reel, to avoid the stretch in the mono line. But then again, all we are looking for is the moment the drag starts slipping.
A major fact that appreared on the first test.
I've got 0.55 T-line spooled.
At about 13kg, the spool slipped 2mm and settled again.
Without any changes to the setup, the elasticity in the line resulted in the scale reading dropping to as low as 6kg before settling.
So, braid may be the better option for such tests, even just spooling 10m or so on a test reel, to avoid the stretch in the mono line. But then again, all we are looking for is the moment the drag starts slipping.
kitefisher
Sealiner
Andries, a few guesses,The decrease in your scale reading may be attributed to line stretch,and also it could be that the line slowly "digs" into the line below on the spool,which will drop the reading on the scale if all else remains stationary.
You may want to use a marker pen and draw a line from a point on the spool onto the frame, just to make sure the spool does'nt "creep up" like an inside centre on defence,lol
Dacron of maybe 80-100lbs may be your answer as10m top-shot for the tests(easier to knot/abrasion better due to thickness)
You may want to use a marker pen and draw a line from a point on the spool onto the frame, just to make sure the spool does'nt "creep up" like an inside centre on defence,lol
Dacron of maybe 80-100lbs may be your answer as10m top-shot for the tests(easier to knot/abrasion better due to thickness)
(Sorry -- this is a duplicate of what I put in a forum elsewhere on this site, and only afterwards realized that it should've been here.)
I can't figure this out: my Daiwa SL30SH was working fine, and then the drag started slipping (presumbably after I'd serviced it): no matter how hard I tighten the drag, it's just about strong enough to reel in a lure. Any extra pull, and it slips.
My first thought was that I must have gotten oil on the drag washers, or that a part might be missing. I took the reel apart, cleaned the drag washers in paraffin, washed them in detergent, rinsed them, dried them and reassembled the reel (without drag grease). Also, I checked against the exploded diagram that all the parts were present and correctly assembled. Still no good. I then stripped it again and put some drag grease on the drag washers. No difference.
I've also taken the reel to a competent reel serviceman. He stripped it and reassembled it, and could find no fault. Just to make sure, I bought new fibre drag washers from him and replaced those in the reel. No difference.
Curiously, after taking the reel apart and reassembling, the drag seems to be fine. But it soon starts slipping again.
This is driving me nuts. These reels aren't that complicated. And I've stripped and reassembled this thing a dozen or more times with no luck (I also use and service an SL20SH and and SL50SH without problems -- so I doubt that I'm just being dumb).
Am I going to have to replace a reel that's in perfectly good order because I can't find the reason for this malfunction?
Please: has anybody had a similar problem and solved it? I'd love to hear from you.
I can't figure this out: my Daiwa SL30SH was working fine, and then the drag started slipping (presumbably after I'd serviced it): no matter how hard I tighten the drag, it's just about strong enough to reel in a lure. Any extra pull, and it slips.
My first thought was that I must have gotten oil on the drag washers, or that a part might be missing. I took the reel apart, cleaned the drag washers in paraffin, washed them in detergent, rinsed them, dried them and reassembled the reel (without drag grease). Also, I checked against the exploded diagram that all the parts were present and correctly assembled. Still no good. I then stripped it again and put some drag grease on the drag washers. No difference.
I've also taken the reel to a competent reel serviceman. He stripped it and reassembled it, and could find no fault. Just to make sure, I bought new fibre drag washers from him and replaced those in the reel. No difference.
Curiously, after taking the reel apart and reassembling, the drag seems to be fine. But it soon starts slipping again.
This is driving me nuts. These reels aren't that complicated. And I've stripped and reassembled this thing a dozen or more times with no luck (I also use and service an SL20SH and and SL50SH without problems -- so I doubt that I'm just being dumb).
Am I going to have to replace a reel that's in perfectly good order because I can't find the reason for this malfunction?
Please: has anybody had a similar problem and solved it? I'd love to hear from you.
kitefisher
Sealiner
Gawie
If you followed this tutorial to the letter,I honestly dont know what the problem can be.Very difficult without the reel,but my guess would be the cupped washers perhaps,or the drag-washer sequence.
Purely guessing,but nonetheless here's the tutorial in case you have not seen it.
http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=4071&forum_id=62
If you followed this tutorial to the letter,I honestly dont know what the problem can be.Very difficult without the reel,but my guess would be the cupped washers perhaps,or the drag-washer sequence.
Purely guessing,but nonetheless here's the tutorial in case you have not seen it.
http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=4071&forum_id=62
In fact, in one of the early dis- and reassemblies, I did notice that the cupped washers were wrong, and putting them in correctly ()seemed to fix the problem (as always just after reassembly) but it didn't last. But you've given me an idea of something else to try: perhaps, for whatever reason, they're not as cupped as they should be, and no longer have enough spring. I'll replace them anyway and see if it makes a difference.
In your earlier response you mentioned "or a thrust bush in the wrong way". That gives me some hope that there's something else I can check. But I don't even know what the hell it is! Can you explain?
Meanwhile, thanks for the help.
In your earlier response you mentioned "or a thrust bush in the wrong way". That gives me some hope that there's something else I can check. But I don't even know what the hell it is! Can you explain?
Meanwhile, thanks for the help.
kitefisher
Sealiner
Gawie
Good idea to try and change those cup washers,the fact that there is sufficient drag after assembly,and then after a while it disappears could mean something in the stack is ''collapsing'',it is possible,but I must admit it is not a frequent occurence.
As for the thrust washer,I was purely speculating.
Would be nice if you could just swop around those cup-washers with another reel's ,just to verify that is perhaps them causing the failure.
Keep us posted
Good idea to try and change those cup washers,the fact that there is sufficient drag after assembly,and then after a while it disappears could mean something in the stack is ''collapsing'',it is possible,but I must admit it is not a frequent occurence.
As for the thrust washer,I was purely speculating.
Would be nice if you could just swop around those cup-washers with another reel's ,just to verify that is perhaps them causing the failure.
Keep us posted