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[Ryan]

A bass dam that is overpopulated will also result in small fish as they result in over competetion amongst one another.

I agree with Loams that he should rather keep 10 a day as in natal waters they proliferate a dam at an excessive rate - How many eggs does one female bass lay in 1 season - taking into account they breed more than 1 in a season in warm climates.

 

[Loams]

Change of topic

GTZA, what is governments aim?

Eradication of all alien species in all water bodies, or only in natural and government owned?

I.O.W will existing private venues be spared?

 

[GTZA]

Loams, I qoute from the preambular para of Chapter 5 in NEMBA:

[align=left]CHAPTER 5[/align]
[align=left]SPECIES AND ORGANISMS POSING POTENTIAL THREATS TO[/align]
[align=left]BIODIVERSITY[/align]
[align=left]Purposes of Chapter[/align]
[align=left]64. (1) The purpose of this Chapter is—[/align]
[align=left](a) to prevent the unauthorized introduction and spread of alien species and invasive species to ecosystems and habitats where they do not naturally occur;[/align]
[align=left](b) to manage and control alien species and invasive species to prevent or minimize harm to the environment and to biodiversity in particular;[/align]
[align=left](c) to eradicate alien species and invasive species from ecosystems and habitats where they may harm such ecosystems or habitats....[/align]
[align=left]In short, to prevent the spread of such species where it is inadvisable to do so, and to eradicate where harm is caused. There is, and never was, any intention to eradicate all, not even in so-called "public" waters. The act has ample escape clauses that would make it possible to exclude or exempt "private" waters in the regulations, and the intention was to do so for waters that were not in communication with any natural river systems. Sadly, however, it seems this is not pursued any further.[/align]

 

[itsarap]

ok! man this is quit bad i mean the extend of the damage that carp and bass can and have caused.    

So where do we go from here kill off carp and bass? and if so wat damage will that do to takel shops and resorts needles to say the fishing comunity, and if i could mention the tourist from europe that come to catch our carp, that must mean lots of jobles people. How does one decide that?

Glad i'm not in that position.

 

 

[Ryan]

I think the point GTZA is trying to make is not eradicate Bass n carp but manage them so they don't get out of control or remove them from systems where they will have a drastic effect on the ecology of a particular body of water.
The problem is Lawlessness of people whom do not give a shit about ecology or the enviroment and move fish to places where they should not be put(because they do irrepairable damage to certain species or aqua culture). I think there is very little chance of removing bass and carp from current water systems - but it is managing them that they donot spread further.
Yes I agree that there is a massive money fish driven industry but I believe that we can co-exist - I mean imagine if carp and bass got into the okavango or the cunnene river for instance.
The trouble is finding a happy medium where both conservationists and fishermen can co-exist.

 

[Loams]

Agreed 100% Ryan

Even us Bass fishermen should take cognizance of the effects of Bass in our systems, and we should take care before we just introduce them anywhere.

GTZA, after reading your last post (I have not read your posted references yet sorry) I feel a little better. The picture painted by the Bassing magazines is a little different of what you posted in your last post. Thank you for that.

 

[GTZA]

Ryan has hit the nail right on the head. If you read the intended purpose, it follows a hierarchical approach:

1. Prevent introduction and spread, and if this is no longer possible;

2. Manage and control, and only where damage result;

3. Eradicate.

Loams as you say, this is not what some people are putting out to the community and I have often wondered what the reason for this is. It has never been stated by govt. that it intended eradicating any or all invasives and has made this categorically clear on many occasions.

 

[Tilapia]

All and any discussion regarding the future of bass in SA is a waste of time. The NEMBA Act is in force and therefore it is law that no bass may be propagated, kept in activity, released etc etc etc.
These laws, under the guise of "Biodiversity" were designed to regulate the game ranching and hunting industry and have no place when it pertains to fish, but the authorities just do not seem to have the intelligence to understand it.
It is far too late for negotiations and or discussion amongst ourselves. Law is law, no matter what we think of it!
The only person who can bring sanity back into the equation is the DEAT minister, and we all know his track record..!

 

[GTZA]

"Sighhh!!!!"