Hi Guys Looking into a popping outfit. I thi

[Mofo dojo]

Hi Guys

Looking into a popping outfit.

I think the Stella 10 000sw is the best reel for me.

The rod is a bit of a headache.

I have seen a CD Viper 15kg rod - it has an Alps reel seat and I think Alps guides. It looks about 7 foot to me (could not see any specs on the rod other than Viper and 15kg).

from all the reading I have done, 7 foot seems a bit short, also when I looked on the CD website, they mention that the viper range is for jigging and "pitch baiting".

Just wondering if anyone has any experience with this rod?

 

[Nepptune]

Hey Mofo,

Have a look at our range of top end popping rods, Jigging Master and Carpenter available from JigStar Africa.... if you going to be going the full distance and setting yourself up with a Stella 10K, you need to do that reel justice with a great quality rod....

We have a couple top end sticks available, from PE 5 lineclass up to PE 10 rods ( 50 to 100lb ) which would do you fantastically...

You can view our rods here: http://www.jigstarafrica.co.za/jigstar/shop/popping-rods

If you've got any questions about the different models, let me know...

A good idea is to figure out where you will be doing most of your fishing, and with what weight lures etc, and line class, as all these things add up to direct you in the right direction on which rod would best suit your needs..

Cheers
Nepps

 

[Dingleberry]

Go with Nepps' advice bru, I have a mate with a CD rods that broke on his first outing! The jigging master popping rod is an absolute work of art.

 

[Mofo dojo]

Hi Neptune

Thanks for the reply.

sent you a pm re the GT Monster.

Cheers

re - Dingle - thanks - thats what I wanted to hear - I battled to find much on the net regarding CD reviews - It seems like with this type of fishing there is very little room for error so slowly getting my head around the price tags. laka

 

[Nepptune]

Hi Mark, thanks for the PM, replied to ya!

@ Dingle - Thanks mate, always nice to know other people appreciate a work of art! ;-)

 

[JonLi]

I have been fishing GT since the year 2000 when I met Yoichi Mogi chartering my boat to fish Komodo , that same year I met Konishi-san who introduced me to Carpenter rod and since then I never looked at another brand , my first Carpenter rod is still with me ( a LR86 ) but I have sold other Carpenter rods of mine to keep up with newer technology that suit my ageing body .

I have yet to see non Japanese blank that are designed to cope for the rigours of GT fishing  and  Carpenter GT rods are simply one of the best if not the best in the market , performance wise . If you are serious in taking up GT fishing , you will end up with Carpenter rods , some go about the long way by buying other brands while the wise one just go straight n buy a Carpenter rod .

Jon .

 

[Mofo dojo]

Hi Jon Li

Many thanks for the advice, I see that your opinion is highly regarded and I appreciate the help.

Yourself, Dre and Dingle have all confirmed what I have read countless times over the net in relation to GT Popping - re buying the best you can afford.

I did hold a sneaking hope that a cheaper rod woud suit but I see the sense in your point about going the long way round and eventually buying proper quality.

I see that Jigstar have some carpenters and GT monsters, so I will limit the shortlist to these.

Once again thanks for taking the time
Cheers
Mark

 

[benniejordaan]

What about something on a budget. The SHIMANO KAIBUTSU 7'8 will set you back about R2500.

Any opinions?

 

[Porra Newbie]

benniejordaan wrote:

What about something on a budget. The SHIMANO KAIBUTSU 7'8 will set you back about R2500.

Any opinions?

And the Daiwa Monster Mesh in the same price range!

Got ask yourself how often are you going to use that setup to justify spending over R6k on a rod?

 

[Mofo dojo]

@Bennie - Thanks for the suggestion, I picked up a Kaibutsu and to my untrained eye it looked to be a good rod, as most shimano stuff is.

@Porra Newbie - I know what you are saying, the angel on one sholder keeps up with this argument while the devil keeps wafting the carpenter in front of my nose (everyone loves expensive tackle )

To be truthful to myself I will at best only be able to go popping 3 times a year (unless my business skills improve drastically in the near future), but I would like to go to places like Kilwa / Oman / Bassas and Linene where big fish are caught somewhat regularly I understand, coupled with the fact that at this stage of my life I dont have Kids school fees and huge house payments to make (I live in a JHB shoebox sized flat), I would like to buy an oufit that can handle big fish and that I hopefully dont need to replace.

So all in all, lots of good relevant advice, lots of thinking to be done as well

Thanks everyone

 

[tkei]

Then go for the Top. I agree there is a need for "affordable" rods like this and the Shimano etc have a place, but if you can, go big. you wont regret it. once kids are around etc then its hard to justify such a selfish pleasure, but you soon get over it. LOL

 

[Fin-S]

I think there are 2 schools of thought.
1. You spend 6k on a reel, 2k to bling it up (unless you are Nepps), 1k on braid, 2k on lures (unless you Nepps or a good friend of Bennie), 30k on a trip and then you want to save on the rod?? If you hook a beast, at least have confidence in what you are fishing and have the pleasure in using one of the best tools possible. Spend the money now while you can and enjoy it.

On da udder hand,
To have an expensive set up banging around a charter boat on a regular basis, being subjected to airline handling, having a deckie / skipper who clears all the rods on a strike by throwing them in the wheelhouse....rather buy something cheaper that can take the knocks.

All I can say now after 40 years of fishing, 2 wives, 4 kids, - SPEND THE MONEY NOW!

 

[JonLi]

Shimano Caranx Kaibutsubenniejordaan wrote:

What about something on a budget. The SHIMANO KAIBUTSU 7'8 will set you back about R2500.

Any opinions?

Shimano Caranx Kaibutsu was designed by staffs of Shimano S.E.Asia in corroboration with few Singaporean GT anglers who do not really fathom what GT fishing all about , that is why one can't even find Shimano Caranx Kaibutsu in Japan Domestic Market because they are not destined for the discerning Japanese GT anglers and the Shimano factory that produce Caranx Kaibutsu is located in Batam Island , Indonesia across the Phillips strait from Singapore .

Jon .

 

[Nepptune]

Fin-S wrote:

I think there are 2 schools of thought.
1. You spend 6k on a reel, 2k to bling it up (unless you are Nepps), 1k on braid, 2k on lures (unless you Nepps ),

 

Hahahahaha, classic!! Tim you crack me up mate!!!

Some great advise here from everyone, which is the greatest thing about platforms and forums like Sealine....

Mark - Ultimately you need to look at something that will suit what you want, and what you can afford... There are a good number of options out there that have been suggested by myself and others in this thread, that will cater to all budgets and needs...

 

At the end of the day, buy the best you can afford, and you will never regret it is the best advice I can give, but in the end, you need to be 110% happy with that purcahse, both in the quality of rod you have in your hand, the happiness you get from using it, and of course how much it depletes your bank account at the end of the day.... goed koop is deur koop I guess, but seldom leaves buyers remorse....

 

As Tim says, if you are in a position without too many other financial burdens at the moment like kids/wives/houses etc, then now is the time to buy good, and buy for the long run!

 

 

 

[JonLi]

I have seen too many time that new anglers in popping tend to buy the best reel money can buy but when come to the rod , will consider second tier rods but eventually will buy better rod in a few short period .

One must understand that when come to popping/casting , it's the rod which will get you to reach the required distance ACCURATELY and get the first chance to get a strike from the big GT that own the particular spot .

A popping rod must also have enough backbone power that does not hurt the angler beside the ease of casting , Carpenter makes many GT rods to suit the angler's prowess , type of lure used and target fish .  Some rods are  " general purpose "  while others are   " specific purpose " made for accomplished anglers who want to cover all the needs to use various lures efficiently n effectively .

Carpenter rods in general hold their price in the used market so when come to upgrade , one do not find it too difficult to sell and the resale prices are still reasonably higher than any other brand so investment wise , Carpenter rods are still considered to be the best in the market .

All Carpenter rods are designed and tested rigorously by the maker , Mr. Kenji Konishi and the brand is highly respected in Japan as well as outside n I have been previledged to be associated with Carpenter since 2004 as their first International agent outside Japan .

Jon .

 

[benniejordaan]

JonLi wrote:

I have seen too many time that new anglers in popping tend to buy the best reel money can buy but when come to the rod , will consider second tier rods but eventually will buy better rod in a few short period .

One must understand that when come to popping/casting , it's the rod which will get you to reach the required distance ACCURATELY and get the first chance to get a strike from the big GT that own the particular spot .

A popping rod must also have enough backbone power that does not hurt the angler beside the ease of casting , Carpenter makes many GT rods to suit the angler's prowess , type of lure used and target fish .  Some rods are  " general purpose "  while others are   " specific purpose " made for accomplished anglers who want to cover all the needs to use various lures efficiently n effectively .

Carpenter rods in general hold their price in the used market so when come to upgrade , one do not find it too difficult to sell and the resale prices are still reasonably higher than any other brand so investment wise , Carpenter rods are still considered to be the best in the market .

All Carpenter rods are designed and tested rigorously by the maker , Mr. Kenji Konishi and the brand is highly respected in Japan as well as outside n I have been previledged to be associated with Carpenter since 2004 as their first International agent outside Japan .

Jon .

I have no doubt that Carpenter rods are incredible! In fact I know they are. I also know there are other rods available.

I do however have a problem with the fact  that it is the only rod you would recommend and it also happens to be the brand you sell / supply to Jigstar. Therefore your advice is bias towards simply promoting/selling your own product.

 

[mordecai3004]

Its not bias in any way! He is giving the customer his advice. A 30k holiday to be ruined by a 3k snapped rod cause you skimped on a rod could be frustrating

 

[JonLi]

Let the others be judge for this , I am just kick starting Jigstar to start selling quality products and I feel they have the integrity to represent such a product , in time Jigstar may become the agent of Carpenter on their own and I certainly will put my good words to Carpenter should they decide to do so .

Serious anglers aren't fools , they know what to do with their own hard earned $$ and I am sure my " biased " recommendations are just inputs to them , the ultimate decision is theirs individually and not others .

Jon .

benniejordaan wrote:

JonLi wrote:

I have seen too many time that new anglers in popping tend to buy the best reel money can buy but when come to the rod , will consider second tier rods but eventually will buy better rod in a few short period .

One must understand that when come to popping/casting , it's the rod which will get you to reach the required distance ACCURATELY and get the first chance to get a strike from the big GT that own the particular spot .

A popping rod must also have enough backbone power that does not hurt the angler beside the ease of casting , Carpenter makes many GT rods to suit the angler's prowess , type of lure used and target fish .  Some rods are  " general purpose "  while others are   " specific purpose " made for accomplished anglers who want to cover all the needs to use various lures efficiently n effectively .

Carpenter rods in general hold their price in the used market so when come to upgrade , one do not find it too difficult to sell and the resale prices are still reasonably higher than any other brand so investment wise , Carpenter rods are still considered to be the best in the market .

All Carpenter rods are designed and tested rigorously by the maker , Mr. Kenji Konishi and the brand is highly respected in Japan as well as outside n I have been previledged to be associated with Carpenter since 2004 as their first International agent outside Japan .

Jon .

I have no doubt that Carpenter rods are incredible! In fact I know they are. I also know there are other rods available.

I do however have a problem with the fact  that it is the only rod you would recommend and it also happens to be the brand you sell / supply to Jigstar. Therefore your advice is bias towards simply promoting/selling your own product.

 

[benniejordaan]

Within the Jigstar stables there are Popping rods that are half the price. Personally I wont pay R9500 for a rod. R5500 for a Jigging Master rod seems a lot more reasonable! Especially considering the angler will get to use the rod twice a year, with only 1 trip planned to date!

 

[benniejordaan]

Here is a GT in the lower 30kg class, the size that will most likely be caught in Kilwa.

Note the rod, it is a Kingfisher Poseidon - cost R750.

The angler is in his back yard and catches many fish in this class on this outfit. I also saw him take a grouper well over 30kg on the same outfit.

Don't buy a Kingfisher rod unless for a backup. It will do the job though!