Hi guys Garrick are on my hitlist for December.
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What brands of flurocarbon do you guys use? And how are the prices. The only fluro I use is for dropshot- Berkley Vanish. So what strengths and brands do you guys use for Garrick, Kob and all the others. Also breaking strains. I am a complete idiot when it comes to fluro!
Regards
AD
Regards
AD
Guys, why the strike? if your sliding with 0.45mm line, the chances of getting burt-off is good when you strike. i advise, that after the time has lapsed, set your drag and strat reeling in the line quickely, so that you disloge your sinker and get it to the fish at a speed. when your sinker hits the bait clip at the fish, youll feel the bump indicating just that. thats enough to set the hooks.
i have been doing this lately, had no burn-offs and no fish missed.. just my R2 worth
i have been doing this lately, had no burn-offs and no fish missed.. just my R2 worth
Hiya Sea sick, yip thats the way the PE boys do it off the Brighton Pier. There is no shaking the tip to get the bait down so the stopper is a good cast out. Run comes, rod picked up and taken up slowly to the stopper (10 sec)when the rod dips again they set the hooks.
I think the tackle used is just to heavy and thats why I have scaled my version right down to very light slides. They are so small they ook like samples........almost cute!?!
I think the tackle used is just to heavy and thats why I have scaled my version right down to very light slides. They are so small they ook like samples........almost cute!?!
Not too long, depends on the size of the bait. hooks should be in the right places. so that when you do set the hooks, it should be in the trought area, problem only coms when you decide to release the fish and the hooks are deep down.
do not know the area. i got 4 garrick this year, and all of them took traces made up of 1.1mm 47kg (pink line used for deepsea bottom fishing) no floro carbon etc. some traces were with 5 and 6 kendals and the other 6 and 7 kendal hooks.
do not know the area. i got 4 garrick this year, and all of them took traces made up of 1.1mm 47kg (pink line used for deepsea bottom fishing) no floro carbon etc. some traces were with 5 and 6 kendals and the other 6 and 7 kendal hooks.
Species Corner by Ronny Naicker
Garrick/Leervis
Lichia amia
Garrick are found occasionally on the west coast but primarily they are found in the Indian Ocean as well as the estuaries and inlets running into the Indian Ocean. They are found from False Bay to Delgoa Bay in the summer months; thereafter they migrate to the waters of Kwa-Zulu Natal to spawn.
Garrick are usually found in small shoals of 3 to 7 fish and are come close inshore to search out shoals of mullet or shad, while in winter their shoals can increase to 20 to 50 fish. In KZN the first fish arrive from about May and continue in large numbers until July when they disappear only to return in October and November.
Tackle
Garrick are surface feeders, so the normal hook, line and sinker is not suitable. Fishing from the beach requires a sturdy rod of not less than 3,5m, and must be capable of casting a live bait out beyond the breakers to enable the fish to swim out to the water behind that back line.
If fishing off of rocks or on ledges then one can afford to use a shorter rod and cast not as far as generally you will be casting into deeper water. In some cases a float may be added which will ensure the bait remains on the surface.
Line should be of a heavier type with a B/S of 12 to 15Kg being suitable, with approximately 300m on your spool. A double or heavier hook length maybe required because although they do not have teeth, the mouth have rasp-like teeth, which can quickly wear away a lighter line.
In rough weather or if using a dead bait then a sinker may have to be employed, to keep the bait out in the feeding zone.
Hooks can range from #3/0 to #8/0, generally use single hooks as not only will they keep your live bait alive longer but also the shrewder fish can see the treble hook.
Another trick is to trim the top half of the tail fin. This forces the bait to swim upwards. If you are using live mackerel, insert a thin toothpick just under skin in front of the dorsal fin. Rig 2 hooks back to back securing them with heat shrink and hook the bait just under the toothpick.
Bait
As you may have gathered, live bait is the first choice for Garrick fishing, preferably Shad, or if the Shad are not available, which can be the case if large Garrick are around, then mullet, karanteen and blacktail can also be used.
If no live bait is available then dead Shad or Mullet can be used. To keep dead bait off the bottom then a float will have to be used, in conjunction with a running sinker trace. Dead bait fishing however is not always the best, second option when live bait is scarce. Artificial Lures have taken many good fish in the last few years and for some anglers this is the only way they fish.
Tackle for artificial lure fishing is different to normal live /dead bait fishing as the rods are generally more flexible, fast tapering, 3,5 metre ones, combined with a reel with a retrieval rate of 5:1 or greater. If fishing ledges or into the surf then a line of 12 to 14 kg is better suited; so to aid casting choose as thin a line as you can in this class, as it will greatly improve your casting. If fishing in an estuary or into protected waters then a lighter line could be used down to 4kg.
The choices of which lure to choose in the vast array available, will be a matter of trial and error. As some articles have covered existing anglers successes, then these are good starting points but by no means are the only one that will work.
The Hook up
Garrick are extremely clever and shrewd fish and it likes to examine its prey before taking it, circling a few times before either taking or leaving for less suspicious offerings.
When live baiting your reel should be in free-spool mode with just the ratchet on. The Garrick will first grab the bait by the midsection, and then move off with the bait firmly lying sideways in its jaws. Only after moving away from the rest of the shoal (usually a few seconds), will the Garrick turn and swallow the bait. It manoeuvres the bait and swallows it headfirst. This process is sometimes misconstrued as the Garrick “scaling the baitâ€. Can you imagine trying to swallow the bait tail first; there are too many fins that will get in the way. This is the time to strike. The strike need not be hard, meagrely a setting of the hook, and the fish should be on.
The fish will now streak off, keeping close to the surface, stripping 40, 50 60 metres of line off in that first run, all the time shaking its head and pulling to the left, then right, even breaking the surface in an attempt to dislodge the hook. This activity will continue for up to half an hour or so until it tires and will come to the shore. They are commonly referred to as “The Gentlemen of the Sea†and have a reputation of fighting hard but clean.
The flesh of the smaller fish is good and can be smoked or fried, however the larger specimens should be photographed, tagged and released.
Garrick/Leervis
Lichia amia
Garrick are found occasionally on the west coast but primarily they are found in the Indian Ocean as well as the estuaries and inlets running into the Indian Ocean. They are found from False Bay to Delgoa Bay in the summer months; thereafter they migrate to the waters of Kwa-Zulu Natal to spawn.
Garrick are usually found in small shoals of 3 to 7 fish and are come close inshore to search out shoals of mullet or shad, while in winter their shoals can increase to 20 to 50 fish. In KZN the first fish arrive from about May and continue in large numbers until July when they disappear only to return in October and November.
Tackle
Garrick are surface feeders, so the normal hook, line and sinker is not suitable. Fishing from the beach requires a sturdy rod of not less than 3,5m, and must be capable of casting a live bait out beyond the breakers to enable the fish to swim out to the water behind that back line.
If fishing off of rocks or on ledges then one can afford to use a shorter rod and cast not as far as generally you will be casting into deeper water. In some cases a float may be added which will ensure the bait remains on the surface.
Line should be of a heavier type with a B/S of 12 to 15Kg being suitable, with approximately 300m on your spool. A double or heavier hook length maybe required because although they do not have teeth, the mouth have rasp-like teeth, which can quickly wear away a lighter line.
In rough weather or if using a dead bait then a sinker may have to be employed, to keep the bait out in the feeding zone.
Hooks can range from #3/0 to #8/0, generally use single hooks as not only will they keep your live bait alive longer but also the shrewder fish can see the treble hook.
Another trick is to trim the top half of the tail fin. This forces the bait to swim upwards. If you are using live mackerel, insert a thin toothpick just under skin in front of the dorsal fin. Rig 2 hooks back to back securing them with heat shrink and hook the bait just under the toothpick.
Bait
As you may have gathered, live bait is the first choice for Garrick fishing, preferably Shad, or if the Shad are not available, which can be the case if large Garrick are around, then mullet, karanteen and blacktail can also be used.
If no live bait is available then dead Shad or Mullet can be used. To keep dead bait off the bottom then a float will have to be used, in conjunction with a running sinker trace. Dead bait fishing however is not always the best, second option when live bait is scarce. Artificial Lures have taken many good fish in the last few years and for some anglers this is the only way they fish.
Tackle for artificial lure fishing is different to normal live /dead bait fishing as the rods are generally more flexible, fast tapering, 3,5 metre ones, combined with a reel with a retrieval rate of 5:1 or greater. If fishing ledges or into the surf then a line of 12 to 14 kg is better suited; so to aid casting choose as thin a line as you can in this class, as it will greatly improve your casting. If fishing in an estuary or into protected waters then a lighter line could be used down to 4kg.
The choices of which lure to choose in the vast array available, will be a matter of trial and error. As some articles have covered existing anglers successes, then these are good starting points but by no means are the only one that will work.
The Hook up
Garrick are extremely clever and shrewd fish and it likes to examine its prey before taking it, circling a few times before either taking or leaving for less suspicious offerings.
When live baiting your reel should be in free-spool mode with just the ratchet on. The Garrick will first grab the bait by the midsection, and then move off with the bait firmly lying sideways in its jaws. Only after moving away from the rest of the shoal (usually a few seconds), will the Garrick turn and swallow the bait. It manoeuvres the bait and swallows it headfirst. This process is sometimes misconstrued as the Garrick “scaling the baitâ€. Can you imagine trying to swallow the bait tail first; there are too many fins that will get in the way. This is the time to strike. The strike need not be hard, meagrely a setting of the hook, and the fish should be on.
The fish will now streak off, keeping close to the surface, stripping 40, 50 60 metres of line off in that first run, all the time shaking its head and pulling to the left, then right, even breaking the surface in an attempt to dislodge the hook. This activity will continue for up to half an hour or so until it tires and will come to the shore. They are commonly referred to as “The Gentlemen of the Sea†and have a reputation of fighting hard but clean.
The flesh of the smaller fish is good and can be smoked or fried, however the larger specimens should be photographed, tagged and released.
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action man
Senior Member
When rigging a live shad or mullet, the following illustration demonstrates how it should be done. Note that you can use the same setup for a throw trace as well, with just replacing the Non-Return Slide with a normal power swivel.
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The second hook should be inserted just above the head of the fish, with the lead hook still dangling free. Thereafter insert the lead hook into the side of the fish just on it’s side below the fins. Remember not to insert the lead hook too deep into the flesh, it should just pierce the skin.
Another option is to place the lead hook just in front of the belly.
As well you could use a single Treble hook, inserted just above the head.
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The second hook should be inserted just above the head of the fish, with the lead hook still dangling free. Thereafter insert the lead hook into the side of the fish just on it’s side below the fins. Remember not to insert the lead hook too deep into the flesh, it should just pierce the skin.
Another option is to place the lead hook just in front of the belly.
As well you could use a single Treble hook, inserted just above the head.
Dean Slater
Senior Member
i use just a single trebble placed behind the head, trim the top of the tail and use a live bait slide no non-return for garrick.
Dean Slater
Senior Member
yeah, black tail will work, but jus REMEMBER TO CUT THE SPINES OFF HIS BACK!! a garrick will most times spit a fish that has too many spines, best bait is still shad or karrenteen, mullet you struggle to slide deep with a live bait clip. they tend to dive for the nearest cover, close in. also never use steel.
At AD97
"I don't use treble hooks, I have the stuff, they were made by the devil. 1 or 2 5/0 to 6/0 hooks are more than good enough, 1 in the tail section and one behind the head"
Why no treble hooks? I lost a leerie recently using treble hooks. It failed to hook the fish. Is that the reason?
"I don't use treble hooks, I have the stuff, they were made by the devil. 1 or 2 5/0 to 6/0 hooks are more than good enough, 1 in the tail section and one behind the head"
Why no treble hooks? I lost a leerie recently using treble hooks. It failed to hook the fish. Is that the reason?