Hi guys Garrick are on my hitlist for December.
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Hiya New AD97,
I do alot of fishing of Brighton Pier, PE in the Summer mostly targeting shark. I'm not a big Garrick fisherman, but have watched the local chaps catching a few good fish every session that I'm there.
Most of the guys slide mullet or Gorrie (Piggy) as live bait. They use non-return slides and manage to get a number of fish. The one thingthat I have noticed is that the pickup to hooked ratio is very low. I recon it's because the rigs are very heavy and this spooks the fish causing the bait to be dropped.
Between my shark lines I intend to use these smaller non-return slides with lighter mono. I have been preparing all winter long and like you I'm eager to get a garrick or two soon.
Tight Lines
Trophy
I do alot of fishing of Brighton Pier, PE in the Summer mostly targeting shark. I'm not a big Garrick fisherman, but have watched the local chaps catching a few good fish every session that I'm there.
Most of the guys slide mullet or Gorrie (Piggy) as live bait. They use non-return slides and manage to get a number of fish. The one thingthat I have noticed is that the pickup to hooked ratio is very low. I recon it's because the rigs are very heavy and this spooks the fish causing the bait to be dropped.
Between my shark lines I intend to use these smaller non-return slides with lighter mono. I have been preparing all winter long and like you I'm eager to get a garrick or two soon.
Tight Lines
Trophy
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Attached is a pic of one of the many Garrick I’ve seen come of the Brighton Pier, PE. It is also a favourite spot where most boat anglers seen to target Garrick in the Summer months. I have watched many boats successfully fishing the area and then starting their trolling from this area across to the harbour wall.
The chap to the right in the bright orange suit is affectionately known to all as ‘livebait’ he is by far one of the most talented anglers I have seen . He can read the sea with scientific precision and there has been many a day when he has been the only angler to get fish.
Mid Summer last year I donated an old Penn 500 as his reel had seen better days. I have since bumped into him on the Brighton surf, now being able to cast, and he has shown me a great deal knowledge collected from many years of observation and fishing.
Just goes to show local knowledge is the best advice!
The chap to the right in the bright orange suit is affectionately known to all as ‘livebait’ he is by far one of the most talented anglers I have seen . He can read the sea with scientific precision and there has been many a day when he has been the only angler to get fish.
Mid Summer last year I donated an old Penn 500 as his reel had seen better days. I have since bumped into him on the Brighton surf, now being able to cast, and he has shown me a great deal knowledge collected from many years of observation and fishing.
Just goes to show local knowledge is the best advice!
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Iv always liked to target garrick on a live bait thats been thrown in rather than being clipd due to the nature and feeding habits. If 1 must clip a live bait, id suggest a trace made of 2 x 6# diatchi, 80mm nylon and a cuda clip. Not to say you wont get a Garrick on a non return clip, cuda clip just increases your hook up rate. Wouldnt rec trebles though...
Thanks a bunch Trophy. The info is very helpful. I still have a few more questions though:
1) What size of non-return clip do you use? I have never ever slidden a bait before.
2) What size sinker do you use? I will be targeting garick off the beach
3) Where do you place the hooks on your bait? I will most likely be using mullet.
4) What kind of rig would you use in an estuary?
1) What size of non-return clip do you use? I have never ever slidden a bait before.
2) What size sinker do you use? I will be targeting garick off the beach
3) Where do you place the hooks on your bait? I will most likely be using mullet.
4) What kind of rig would you use in an estuary?
benniejordaan
Sealiner
Heres a tip.
Garrick feed mid water. So us a fairly long bait trace .8. Also clip the tip off the top of his tail. this will make him swim upwards. Two 6/0's (I like hoodlums) one hooked in the tail just behind the second dorsan fin and one just behind the head in the shoulder.
wait patianlty for the bite. leave your reel in freespool with only a finger on the line. When he takes.... do not strike. wait for the second run or 10 seconds which ever comes first. A mate of mine will actually count out loud waiting to strike.
Your sinker must be as light as possible. Throw a light sinker first, if it moves go heavier until you get it to sit. If he feels too much preasure, he will drop it!
I have also heard of guys casting the livy without any sinker and just let him swim around, but I haven't tried it!
As for trace, I think TROPHY is on the money here. I don't use trebles though. A trace with a dropper loop also works well.
Tight lines!
Garrick feed mid water. So us a fairly long bait trace .8. Also clip the tip off the top of his tail. this will make him swim upwards. Two 6/0's (I like hoodlums) one hooked in the tail just behind the second dorsan fin and one just behind the head in the shoulder.
wait patianlty for the bite. leave your reel in freespool with only a finger on the line. When he takes.... do not strike. wait for the second run or 10 seconds which ever comes first. A mate of mine will actually count out loud waiting to strike.
Your sinker must be as light as possible. Throw a light sinker first, if it moves go heavier until you get it to sit. If he feels too much preasure, he will drop it!
I have also heard of guys casting the livy without any sinker and just let him swim around, but I haven't tried it!
As for trace, I think TROPHY is on the money here. I don't use trebles though. A trace with a dropper loop also works well.
Tight lines!
Guys 5/0 circle hooks is what i would use and do use i however use a cuta clip in the sea and a just throw the bait in an estuary, in the esturay i have even caugth sharks using the same method with no bite trace as the circle hook gets him eveytime in the corner of the mouth, when it comes to a fish like a garrick i would really recomend some C&R so i would really not use treble hooks at all.
Talking Rock or Surf
The type of trace you use depends on HOW DEEP THE WATER IS.
As some said, Leeries hunt mid to top water, very very rarely bottom. This is true.
A non return clip can be used, but should be used in water that's not to deep. maybe in the 2-3m water depth range.
If the water is quite deep your livebait will simply slide right through the action zone. Like in a channel or in a river.
A fish uses the top part of it's tailfin to swim down and the bottom part of the tailfin to swim up (or so it's said)
As was said cut the top piece of the tailfin (of livebait) off, firstly it cannot swim down, second it makes it slower, and third it attracts attention because it is now struggling to swim, this should be done no matter what trace you are using for Leeries.
But the couta clip still works best, works on EXACTLY THE same principle as a running sinker (the swivel part), meaning that the clip can freely move either up or down.
The clip with the cut tailfin is deadly for Leeries.
Don't use thick bite trace, .60 to .80 fluorocarbon or clear line is fine. You should go as light as possible.
It's normally a very clean but very brave fight, the leerie also fights in the upper part of the water column so your chances of getting reefed is very very small.
I don't use treble hooks, I have the stuff, they were made by the devil. 1 or 2 5/0 to 6/0 hooks are more than good enough, 1 in the tail section and one behind the head.
The type of trace you use depends on HOW DEEP THE WATER IS.
As some said, Leeries hunt mid to top water, very very rarely bottom. This is true.
A non return clip can be used, but should be used in water that's not to deep. maybe in the 2-3m water depth range.
If the water is quite deep your livebait will simply slide right through the action zone. Like in a channel or in a river.
A fish uses the top part of it's tailfin to swim down and the bottom part of the tailfin to swim up (or so it's said)
As was said cut the top piece of the tailfin (of livebait) off, firstly it cannot swim down, second it makes it slower, and third it attracts attention because it is now struggling to swim, this should be done no matter what trace you are using for Leeries.
But the couta clip still works best, works on EXACTLY THE same principle as a running sinker (the swivel part), meaning that the clip can freely move either up or down.
The clip with the cut tailfin is deadly for Leeries.
Don't use thick bite trace, .60 to .80 fluorocarbon or clear line is fine. You should go as light as possible.
It's normally a very clean but very brave fight, the leerie also fights in the upper part of the water column so your chances of getting reefed is very very small.
I don't use treble hooks, I have the stuff, they were made by the devil. 1 or 2 5/0 to 6/0 hooks are more than good enough, 1 in the tail section and one behind the head.
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As was said, don't strike the livebait out of the Leeries mouth - be patient and count to 10, it's very true that it often happens. Wifes cousin did it TWICE in about 10 minutes on the swartkops river. I felt like breaking his arms for him.
I told him when the ratchet started running to leave the rod, slowly count to ten, pick up and give it a light strike.
He didn't listen, he grabbed the rod both times and struck so hard I though he was doing pole fishing. He missed both fish.
As was said, freespool, or set your drag to the lightest it can possibly be set. The fish must feel as little resistance as possible, if there is doubt it will spit out your livebait.
They are NOT GREAT EATING FISH, take a photo and put them back please.
If you know where and when to target them, you can catch quite a few.
A hint, if there's elf then the chances are very good that there is also Leeries around.
I told him when the ratchet started running to leave the rod, slowly count to ten, pick up and give it a light strike.
He didn't listen, he grabbed the rod both times and struck so hard I though he was doing pole fishing. He missed both fish.
As was said, freespool, or set your drag to the lightest it can possibly be set. The fish must feel as little resistance as possible, if there is doubt it will spit out your livebait.
They are NOT GREAT EATING FISH, take a photo and put them back please.
If you know where and when to target them, you can catch quite a few.
A hint, if there's elf then the chances are very good that there is also Leeries around.
If you cant count say "God Bless the Queen" or is it "Save the Queen" LOL
As Neil said dont be in a hurry!
[color=#006600]neilg[/color] wrote:
As Neil said dont be in a hurry!
[color=#006600]neilg[/color] wrote:
most people count to ten, or say something, the problem is the speed they do it at, if you want to you can do it in 2 seconds flat (the counting).
count it in thousands
1000...take a breath...2000...take a breath... and so on
I KNOW IT'S VERY DIFFICULT to do when your ratchet is screaming, but calm down, resist that reaction to grap the rod and strike so hard that you could pull that hook through his arse...
Kalm bly ...
But that's why I love lures, when he's on he's on, no waiting, counting or anything else. I'm there to catch fish, not practice my counting skills.
When I want to practice counting I normally start counting my rods and reels, keeps me busy much longer than counting to ten.
count it in thousands
1000...take a breath...2000...take a breath... and so on
I KNOW IT'S VERY DIFFICULT to do when your ratchet is screaming, but calm down, resist that reaction to grap the rod and strike so hard that you could pull that hook through his arse...
Kalm bly ...
But that's why I love lures, when he's on he's on, no waiting, counting or anything else. I'm there to catch fish, not practice my counting skills.
When I want to practice counting I normally start counting my rods and reels, keeps me busy much longer than counting to ten.
[color=#006600]Trophy[/color] wrote:
Just imagine if he had "our" grade of equipment !
Again that story of he's not using fluorocarbon and all the other nice things we use. We supposed to have an advantage ...
Just imagine if he had "our" grade of equipment !
Again that story of he's not using fluorocarbon and all the other nice things we use. We supposed to have an advantage ...
benniejordaan
Sealiner
Don't forget, if you use a sliding trace, there is plenty line to take up before striking because of the run. That is why a lot of guys don't use them.
[color=#006600]neilg[/color] wrote:
So do you throw your sinker out and then clip the bait after?