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Key is acceleration and bending. If going slower still creates bend at start it is fine. Overly emphasize on fast movement can destroy a good cast. All the fast movement will come n experiment when u get the basic cast eyes close n with zero thinking. Big cast are done with zero hesistation.
bos suzi wrote:
there is much more waiting in that rod.
you just need to get there.
casting lighter sinkers is much more difficult.
the heavier the sinker the much more forgiving the cast control settings could be.
the harder I practice trying to catch fish, the luckier I get "more fish caught"!!!!!
the same with casting, practise practice etc.
punch it bru!!
there is much more waiting in that rod.
you just need to get there.
casting lighter sinkers is much more difficult.
the heavier the sinker the much more forgiving the cast control settings could be.
the harder I practice trying to catch fish, the luckier I get "more fish caught"!!!!!
the same with casting, practise practice etc.
punch it bru!!
Thank you Willem,
So should I rather be throwing lighter sinker?
Like a 4 oz?
Or should i just be practising alot more?
I attached my gopro to the rod, a d you can really see it bend and load quite decent, but on the video it really doesnt look if the tip of the rod is working that great, perhaps the energy in the tip if released at the who d time with the wrong timing in releasing the spool with my thumb?
So should I rather be throwing lighter sinker?
Like a 4 oz?
Or should i just be practising alot more?
I attached my gopro to the rod, a d you can really see it bend and load quite decent, but on the video it really doesnt look if the tip of the rod is working that great, perhaps the energy in the tip if released at the who d time with the wrong timing in releasing the spool with my thumb?
bos suzi wrote:
That is the reason why it is not advisable to rush. Bend has to be developed and constantly added on thru the various motions I mentioned. Line is released instinctly by the thumb when it is not capable of holding anymore pressure OR when your rod is aligned 45degree to your preference. The sinker will not fly too high to tell you this as a 1st-person view. Only your friends can observe from side OR can be seen from when the rod starts recovering when hitting it.
Ideal scenario is after hitting, the bend is there. This is a very subtle detail that can be observed from side view. It is easy to claim a rod being soft after seeing bends when the rod is vertical. Reality is, pulling it further can still generate more distance.
For power loss from body rotation, sinker bounce or lifting the rod too far off early in the cast, the camera at back will help you on this.
I think this will take sometime. Once all these are in place, you have conquered the rod and will end up with a good pendulum cast in very short duration. Could even be 1 day if someone who swings sinker teaches you.
Heavy sinker builds strength, small sinker makes you explore techniques to generate speed. My take will be heavy sinker as I have seen it improved my cast and magnify mistakes. Casting 18g and 175g requires different technique, it can be learnt and fine tuned to suit yourself. No 2 person will cast the same manner because everyone is built differently. Derive power and speed from the basic cast to suit your capability.
That is the reason why it is not advisable to rush. Bend has to be developed and constantly added on thru the various motions I mentioned. Line is released instinctly by the thumb when it is not capable of holding anymore pressure OR when your rod is aligned 45degree to your preference. The sinker will not fly too high to tell you this as a 1st-person view. Only your friends can observe from side OR can be seen from when the rod starts recovering when hitting it.
Ideal scenario is after hitting, the bend is there. This is a very subtle detail that can be observed from side view. It is easy to claim a rod being soft after seeing bends when the rod is vertical. Reality is, pulling it further can still generate more distance.
For power loss from body rotation, sinker bounce or lifting the rod too far off early in the cast, the camera at back will help you on this.
I think this will take sometime. Once all these are in place, you have conquered the rod and will end up with a good pendulum cast in very short duration. Could even be 1 day if someone who swings sinker teaches you.
Heavy sinker builds strength, small sinker makes you explore techniques to generate speed. My take will be heavy sinker as I have seen it improved my cast and magnify mistakes. Casting 18g and 175g requires different technique, it can be learnt and fine tuned to suit yourself. No 2 person will cast the same manner because everyone is built differently. Derive power and speed from the basic cast to suit your capability.
fishalitis
Senior Member
Hi
Some observations:
1)Your top hand can be moved slightly higher on rod.
2)Dont bend elbows too much otherwize you try cast with arms and your cast is cramped with the rod too close to your body. Need to use your torso more getting your weight from front foot onto back foot then on to front foot again timed with the follow through of the rod
3) Its easier to learn on a simple reel narrow spool like a 15/30 shimano paired with a purglass 400/3 with a 6 ounce sinker.
Some observations:
1)Your top hand can be moved slightly higher on rod.
2)Dont bend elbows too much otherwize you try cast with arms and your cast is cramped with the rod too close to your body. Need to use your torso more getting your weight from front foot onto back foot then on to front foot again timed with the follow through of the rod
3) Its easier to learn on a simple reel narrow spool like a 15/30 shimano paired with a purglass 400/3 with a 6 ounce sinker.
See you are casting a Beastmaster Surf Pro heavy with 7-8oz tip.
Dont try the lighter sinker like a 4oz, it would never load that tip properly.
I use the medium and got my 5-6oz tip on, casting a 6oz a mile.
Maybe try practice with at least a 7oz, which will do the tip justice. Just my 2c
Dont try the lighter sinker like a 4oz, it would never load that tip properly.
I use the medium and got my 5-6oz tip on, casting a 6oz a mile.
Maybe try practice with at least a 7oz, which will do the tip justice. Just my 2c
fishalitis wrote:
Agreed. But do not attempt to solve too many stuff at 1 session. It goes nowhere. Note down n try on various occasions 1 by 1. I think the most important element is to look up.
Agreed. But do not attempt to solve too many stuff at 1 session. It goes nowhere. Note down n try on various occasions 1 by 1. I think the most important element is to look up.
Hi guys.
Thank you for the imputs.
I wil definitly try out some heavier leads,
And also a have look at upper hand. And my torso rotation.
Guys , perhaps look at my higher hand, one problem i have is I move my upper hand closer to the reel just before or after the fulcrum point.i
Thank you for the imputs.
I wil definitly try out some heavier leads,
And also a have look at upper hand. And my torso rotation.
Guys , perhaps look at my higher hand, one problem i have is I move my upper hand closer to the reel just before or after the fulcrum point.i
No-Pro wrote:
Possible but require good form and technique. Longer drop + S. African cast is one of the ways to do it. Been done by your casters all along using a small sinker 4.5oz on high sinker rating 8oz rod.
http://uksf.sea-angler.org/results/1998worlds.html
The rating on those rods you see are based on who does tackle test and what cast is it done on. Usually it will be done around simplified overhead casts. Maybe nonsense to use 270degree arc on crowded beach, but help to understand how a rod behaves when it is going further.
Possible but require good form and technique. Longer drop + S. African cast is one of the ways to do it. Been done by your casters all along using a small sinker 4.5oz on high sinker rating 8oz rod.
http://uksf.sea-angler.org/results/1998worlds.html
The rating on those rods you see are based on who does tackle test and what cast is it done on. Usually it will be done around simplified overhead casts. Maybe nonsense to use 270degree arc on crowded beach, but help to understand how a rod behaves when it is going further.
You are to fix your arm grip on the rod from start until the sinker fly off. There are many ways to determine how wide the grip should be.
1) Centre of chest to palm (More pulling with left hand)
2) Shoulder width (More speed, 18g casters use it, not recommended)
3) Hold the rod where it should be pointing after the cast. Left hand near rib, extend right hand to grip the rod pointing 45degree + centre of body.
Try the 3rd. If you can pull using left hand very well, use the 1st.
1) Centre of chest to palm (More pulling with left hand)
2) Shoulder width (More speed, 18g casters use it, not recommended)
3) Hold the rod where it should be pointing after the cast. Left hand near rib, extend right hand to grip the rod pointing 45degree + centre of body.
Try the 3rd. If you can pull using left hand very well, use the 1st.
Two things about heavier lead, 1: it will compress that heavy tip better, giving it a high energy release, 2: weight x speed = momentum, on the same speed swing, the heavier weight will give way more momentum. Higher momentum takes higher stopping power, so it will pull much more line off the reel before it loses the momentum. Both these points should equate to more distance in your cast.
Hope it helps.
Hope it helps.
No-Pro wrote:
Momentum is present provided the rod has the ballistic properties to propel the force generated by the person holding it. Same logic as why it is not possible to use 8oz on a luring rod because the strength of the rod is almost used up.
The heavy sinker will compress the heavier tip better if the original cast+sinker has no way of bending the rod. His rod is bending up until the right hand, it is a sign not to increase sinker size anymore for this rod. Because once he perfected the cast, the reel seat will be the one bending together with the rod. Getting a rod with 2oz sinker rating higher will let him train on 8oz.
Momentum is present provided the rod has the ballistic properties to propel the force generated by the person holding it. Same logic as why it is not possible to use 8oz on a luring rod because the strength of the rod is almost used up.
bos suzi wrote:
Come to think of it, the cast you did reminded me of one person. Watch the 2nd caster. If it is easier for you, you can use it as reference to build your cast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9opgLgTc9CE
I do not use it because I don't have that kind of arm power or body weight to remain on the ground. The first cast is much easier for me.
Come to think of it, the cast you did reminded me of one person. Watch the 2nd caster. If it is easier for you, you can use it as reference to build your cast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9opgLgTc9CE
I do not use it because I don't have that kind of arm power or body weight to remain on the ground. The first cast is much easier for me.
much has been added here.
follow the advise given!!
do agree, the rod has much more energy to offer, a heavier sinker will enable the rod to transfer that energy better!!
don't feel bad about what you are achieving now!!
it has taken the real casters really years to perfect their casts.
with time, you will get there!!!
again, it is not how far you can cast, but more about putting the bait in the right place!!
some times you need distance, but mostly the lekker cast will get you in the good water!!
follow the advise given!!
do agree, the rod has much more energy to offer, a heavier sinker will enable the rod to transfer that energy better!!
don't feel bad about what you are achieving now!!
it has taken the real casters really years to perfect their casts.
with time, you will get there!!!
again, it is not how far you can cast, but more about putting the bait in the right place!!
some times you need distance, but mostly the lekker cast will get you in the good water!!
Okay so i tried the heavier sinker, I just cant cast a 7oz as far as i was doin with the 6 oz, and im not getting anywhere with the 8oz,
8oz with 0.45mm line, only about 100m
7oz 110-115m
6 oz best i got is 129 m
All measured using a gps, so +/- 5m accuracy.
It this because i am still throwing alot with my arms?
I also would like to addI now place my hand much higher on the rod.
Do you guys have any commernt or info on how and when to release my thumb, how will i get my timing better? Just practice or is the a video i can watch?
Any imputs please.
Thanx all.
8oz with 0.45mm line, only about 100m
7oz 110-115m
6 oz best i got is 129 m
All measured using a gps, so +/- 5m accuracy.
It this because i am still throwing alot with my arms?
I also would like to addI now place my hand much higher on the rod.
Do you guys have any commernt or info on how and when to release my thumb, how will i get my timing better? Just practice or is the a video i can watch?
Any imputs please.
Thanx all.
fishalitis
Senior Member
Looking better
Your legs a littlle too wide dont plant front foot so far forward.
You need to work on getting a nice flowing rhythm going with no jerky movements.
Practise the movement without a rod then just with a rod no reel or sinker then add reel
and start casting.
Your legs a littlle too wide dont plant front foot so far forward.
You need to work on getting a nice flowing rhythm going with no jerky movements.
Practise the movement without a rod then just with a rod no reel or sinker then add reel
and start casting.