Hi all just a warning as from 14 Nov 2013 night fi

[i want fish]

all i can say is this would never have happened if guys stuk to there bag limits but really guys if we call ourselfs recreational fisherman then we need hardly ever even reach our limit PS put the big guys back there the breeding stok id rather take 2 ×5kg kob than 1×30+ kg kob!

 

[RobinF]

i want fish wrote:

all i can say is this would never have happened if guys stuk to there bag limits but really guys if we call ourselfs recreational fisherman then we need hardly ever even reach our limit PS put the big guys back there the breeding stok id rather take 2 ×5kg kob than 1×30+ kg kob!

If only more guys thought like this. Well said.

 

[KOLHOL]

This was a one sided decision made by a few individuals! there is enough laws and bag limits to protect cob, why this silly new law. it seems that the less personel to see that the law is adhere to, the more new laws we see. if only they apply the existing laws, then this new one was not necessary. I thought that our democracy allows input and consultation with the community when it comes to new laws like this one. these stuff make people negative towards Cape Nature, green people and our minister responsible. We caught fish at night for decades in Witsand ( me and my dad, and now me and my sons )and now a few people ( outsiders )can come without notice and take it away, without consultation! I promise you, this is the start, their aim is to ban all fishing on the Breede in the next five years! Next year will be only two grunter per day I guess! That's the way they operate.

 

[twinkeltoe3]

KOLHOL wrote:

This was a one sided decision made by a few individuals! there is enough laws and bag limits to protect cob, why this silly new law. it seems that the less personel to see that the law is adhere to, the more new laws we see. if only they apply the existing laws, then this new one was not necessary. I thought that our democracy allows input and consultation with the community when it comes to new laws like this one. these stuff make people negative towards Cape Nature, green people and our minister responsible. We caught fish at night for decades in Witsand ( me and my dad, and now me and my sons )and now a few people ( outsiders )can come without notice and take it away, without consultation! I promise you, this is the start, their aim is to ban all fishing on the Breede in the next five years! Next year will be only two grunter per day I guess! That's the way they operate.

 

[TimJan]

KOLHOL wrote:

This was a one sided decision made by a few individuals! there is enough laws and bag limits to protect cob, why this silly new law. it seems that the less personel to see that the law is adhere to, the more new laws we see. if only they apply the existing laws, then this new one was not necessary. I thought that our democracy allows input and consultation with the community when it comes to new laws like this one. these stuff make people negative towards Cape Nature, green people and our minister responsible. We caught fish at night for decades in Witsand ( me and my dad, and now me and my sons )and now a few people ( outsiders )can come without notice and take it away, without consultation! I promise you, this is the start, their aim is to ban all fishing on the Breede in the next five years! Next year will be only two grunter per day I guess! That's the way they operate.

I said when they banned the rapalas that the next thing is banning night fishing and now it happned. I agree 100% that the next step is all fishing in the breede mark my words.
All the R&S fishermen that visit witsand dont cry when your fishing also gets banned because you think this only applies to the river.

 

[potevan]

Just a stupid question...What about the Houseboats higher up in the river? Will they also be banned from fishing at night? Who will "police" them from around midnight to say 4am???

It won't be long then all recreational fishing will be banned to make the resource available to local communities only...conspiracy theory? Maybe...maybe not.

 

[sparky2009]

Prohibition of fishing and gear

3. (1) No person shall, except under a permit for scientific research, fish or attempt to
fish, from either a vessel or the shore in the Estuary, between the hours of 20H30
of any day and 05H00 of the following day,

3. (2) All fishing gear onboard a vessel, or on the shore, in the Estuary between the
hours of 20H30 of any day and 05H00 of the following day, shall be stowed in
such a manner that fishing lines are completely spooled and that fishing hooks are
unbaited,
Penalties and offences

4. Any person who fails to comply with 3(1) and (2) shall be guilty of an offence and
liable on conviction to a fine not exceeding R500 000 or to imprisonment for a period.
not exceeding two years.

4 No. 37047 GOVERNMENT GAZETTE, 18 NOVEMBER 2013
37047—1

 

[RobinF]

KOLHOL wrote: 

I thought that our democracy allows input and consultation with the community when it comes to new laws like this one. these stuff make people negative towards Cape Nature, green people and our minister responsible. We caught fish at night for decades in Witsand ( me and my dad, and now me and my sons )and now a few people ( outsiders )can come without notice and take it away, without consultation!

As far as I know, they were asking for public comment a long time ago. But, the real issue here is policing this and will it apply to locals that fish for food? Kolhol, I agree with you, and it sucks to break a family tradition that has been enjoyed for so long. (Especially when you are not the problem).

Potevan, that conspiracy...might not be so far fetched....but yes, I'd also like to know this:

If they could not police the river before the ban (To prevent the situation) what makes then capable of doing it now? As Potevan said...midnight to 4am...who's going to be patrolling the water and pulling up to every boat and checking?

 

[twinkeltoe3]

I want to know who are these tree huggers who actually voted in favour of this ban?? Anyone on sealine?? Please explain to me why you wanted it to be ban?? Give a reason, because I promise you there isn't!

Things have gone so well on the river after trolling were banned, but no we have to take more away, because we think we are doing fishing a good thing!this will only mean that the local fishermen will murder the cob just outside the mouth, where the quota is not just 1!

People who don't fish witsand at night don't know this, but something incredibly special has just been taken away us witsand enthusiast, I won't be able to show my kids one day what witsand is about!

What about all the treknetters??? Why not ban them?? Why not ban night fishing in the swartkop river, or sundays river, both systems that is home to large dusky kob!

I hope one day in the near future our pathetic government will take away this ban, and I hope people make them hear that we are not happy at all

 

[Marthin]

I don't like the ban at all, still wanted to do another houseboat trip but now it simply isnt worth it.

TT i see you mention some of the other rivers, none of them are as big, and very importantly as clean and good condition as Breede.

If they did do this for the survival of the dusky kob, breede would be the best place to do it. (ek se nie vir n oomblik die night ban is die regte ding om te doen nie)

Simply put the current way MCM/DOFF whoever are working from what i can see is they are gatvol of having to police people that should be policing themselves. It just costs to much money and is not effective because you can not be everywhere at once.

It looks like they are just going to ban stuff that become problem areas to police. Abalone, rapalas, nightfishing, red steenbras, people driving in the dunes at macs? close off the beach.

It's definately not the best way, but it's the most cost effective way and easiest.

 

[Marthin]

Daar is iets wat my heeltyd oor Breede gepla het.  Ons was paar jaar gelede daar gewees, en het al 4 houseboats gebook saam met Rob Billimore hulle.  Ons het meer as 125 kobs gevang in 2 nagte, en tussen die 4 bote net 2 gehou en 2 grunters.  Wat my gepla het was in die hele tyd is ons nie een keer gestop of gecheck nie.  Ons kan net so maklike weer met al 125 kobs gewaai het.  Was regtig vir my shocking dat dit so maklik sou wees.

ek moet by se, toe fotos soos die op sealine gesit was, en die mense gese het "wat maak julle gooi terug die goed!" toe was daar gese "dis my reg".

Wel nou is die reg weggevat, miskien moes die manne maar eerder weer paar teruggesit het dan sou hulle nog kon hengel.

 

[TimJan]

My biggest question is why ban rapalas ONLY ON THE BREEDE why ban shark fishing ONLY ON THE BREEDE why ban night fishing ONLY ON THE BREEDE???
Why can i and I will take my boat to the duiwenhoks river and trawl with rapalas through the whole night and it is 100% legal. Then use the 1 cob i am allowed to keep and use it as live bait to catch a shark on the river at night and once again it is legal??? This is a river only +- 10 km away. The cop in the breede also swims in the duiwenhoks and the zambezi sharks as well.

 

[Marthin]

i think it's because it's our best estuary tidal river?

Didnt they ban rapalas in the entire Hesekwa or however u spell it area?

 

[jb2]

TimJan wrote:

My biggest question is why ban rapalas ONLY ON THE BREEDE why ban shark fishing ONLY ON THE BREEDE why ban night fishing ONLY ON THE BREEDE???
Why can i and I will take my boat to the duiwenhoks river and trawl with rapalas through the whole night and it is 100% legal. Then use the 1 cob i am allowed to keep and use it as live bait to catch a shark on the river at night and once again it is legal??? This is a river only +- 10 km away. The cop in the breede also swims in the duiwenhoks and the zambezi sharks as well.

Hi TimJan

I don't know enough about the ban and I don't like the idea of banning something that should just be policed.

I am guessing that it is a combination of a number of things.

One of the most important would be the presence of big old fat fecund female fish. (BOFFFFs)

A BOFFF is far more valuable than many other member of its species.

They are the champion breeders and the theory goes that they are the key to the survival or improvement of a species.

The Breede is probably one of the more healthy estuaries around. I don't know enough about it but I would guess that it is sufficiently productive and reliable to keep the BOFF's going and helping them to replenish the stocks.


Do a Google of Big old fecund fish or BOFF fish and you will get a feel for the marine management thinking at work.

 

[jb2]

twinkeltoe3 wrote:

I want to know who are these tree huggers who actually voted in favour of this ban?? Anyone on sealine?? Please explain to me why you wanted it to be ban?? Give a reason, because I promise you there isn't!

Things have gone so well on the river after trolling were banned, but no we have to take more away, because we think we are doing fishing a good thing!this will only mean that the local fishermen will murder the cob just outside the mouth, where the quota is not just 1!

People who don't fish witsand at night don't know this, but something incredibly special has just been taken away us witsand enthusiast, I won't be able to show my kids one day what witsand is about!

What about all the treknetters??? Why not ban them?? Why not ban night fishing in the swartkop river, or sundays river, both systems that is home to large dusky kob!

I hope one day in the near future our pathetic government will take away this ban, and I hope people make them hear that we are not happy at all

The call for a ban was initiated and driven by the South African Deep Sea Angling Association (SADSAA).

SADSAA has been applying consistent pressure to have the ban put in place.

Mr. Steyn of the executive was losing patience with DAFF. He complained that he had been waiting 10 years for the ban.

 

[RobinF]

jb2 wrote:

twinkeltoe3 wrote:

I want to know who are these tree huggers who actually voted in favour of this ban?? Anyone on sealine?? Please explain to me why you wanted it to be ban?? Give a reason, because I promise you there isn't!

Things have gone so well on the river after trolling were banned, but no we have to take more away, because we think we are doing fishing a good thing!this will only mean that the local fishermen will murder the cob just outside the mouth, where the quota is not just 1!

People who don't fish witsand at night don't know this, but something incredibly special has just been taken away us witsand enthusiast, I won't be able to show my kids one day what witsand is about!

What about all the treknetters??? Why not ban them?? Why not ban night fishing in the swartkop river, or sundays river, both systems that is home to large dusky kob!

I hope one day in the near future our pathetic government will take away this ban, and I hope people make them hear that we are not happy at all

The call for a ban was initiated and driven by the South African Deep Sea Angling Association (SADSAA).

SADSAA has been applying consistent pressure to have the ban put in place.

Mr. Steyn of the executive was losing patience with DAFF. He complained that he had been waiting 10 years for the ban.

Why is the DEEP SEA ANGLING Association pushing for bans in rivers? Sound a bit selfish. (Should I push for a ban on trout fishing, when I don't fish those waters? - stupid example, but i am sure you can see my point) If this spreads, it changes a lot because almost all my fishing is done at night.

Marthin has a good point with that picture, but again, prevention is better and if it was being policed properly, this ban would never be needed.

This ban is NOT the solution, it is going to become part of the problem!

 

[Sungro]

I agree jb2 my opinion is rather put a ban on bigger fish if they want to save the cob for example keep a bag limit of say 5 fish under 90cm and let the big mature breeding stock go. That would help a indangerd much more than just banning it or making the bag size smaller. Because then they just keep the big ones because they can only keep one.

 

[RobinF]

Sungro wrote:

I agree jb2 my opinion is rather put a ban on bigger fish if they want to save the cob for example keep a bag limit of say 5 fish under 90cm and let the big mature breeding stock go. That would help a indangerd much more than just banning it or making the bag size smaller. Because then they just keep the big ones because they can only keep one.

This IS the only way! You cannot blanket ban, it's not the solution. Breeding stock = specie's survival....it's not that difficult.

 

[jb2]

RobinF wrote:

jb2 wrote:

twinkeltoe3 wrote:

I want to know who are these tree huggers who actually voted in favour of this ban?? Anyone on sealine?? Please explain to me why you wanted it to be ban?? Give a reason, because I promise you there isn't!

Things have gone so well on the river after trolling were banned, but no we have to take more away, because we think we are doing fishing a good thing!this will only mean that the local fishermen will murder the cob just outside the mouth, where the quota is not just 1!

People who don't fish witsand at night don't know this, but something incredibly special has just been taken away us witsand enthusiast, I won't be able to show my kids one day what witsand is about!

What about all the treknetters??? Why not ban them?? Why not ban night fishing in the swartkop river, or sundays river, both systems that is home to large dusky kob!

I hope one day in the near future our pathetic government will take away this ban, and I hope people make them hear that we are not happy at all

The call for a ban was initiated and driven by the South African Deep Sea Angling Association (SADSAA).

SADSAA has been applying consistent pressure to have the ban put in place.

Mr. Steyn of the executive was losing patience with DAFF. He complained that he had been waiting 10 years for the ban.

Why is the DEEP SEA ANGLING Association pushing for bans in rivers? Sound a bit selfish. (Should I push for a ban on trout fishing, when I don't fish those waters? - stupid example, but i am sure you can see my point) If this spreads, it changes a lot because almost all my fishing is done at night.

Marthin has a good point with that picture, but again, prevention is better and if it was being policed properly, this ban would never be needed.

This ban is NOT the solution, it is going to become part of the problem!

Hi Robin

I think that SADSAA is supposed to represent sea based angling and the title is a bit outdated.

In previous posts regarding treknetting, I had suggested that suggesting a total ban on a practice was not a good idea.

Total bans are seldom an appropriate management response.

Now that a total ban has been imposed on a practice that we cherish, it is hard for us to protest against the measure or even the proportionality of the measure.

The concept is referred to as "not in my backyard" or NIMBY.

We would like for something to happen or a step to be taken just not against us.

 

[jb2]

RobinF wrote:

Sungro wrote:

I agree jb2 my opinion is rather put a ban on bigger fish if they want to save the cob for example keep a bag limit of say 5 fish under 90cm and let the big mature breeding stock go. That would help a indangerd much more than just banning it or making the bag size smaller. Because then they just keep the big ones because they can only keep one.

This IS the only way! You cannot blanket ban, it's not the solution. Breeding stock = specie's survival....it's not that difficult.

Hi Robin and Sungro

Have another look at your angling brochure. The measure that you suggest is already in place.

Kabeljou have a slot size and fish over 1,1m have greater protection east of Agulhas.