Hey guys, im going on a trip to catch tuna and yellowtail off the rocks here in australia, i will be live baiting and throwing spoons and plugs, I have two setups, 1 over head which consists of the exage 110h and a torium 20, and a spinning outfit which consits of a blue marlin t24 10ft 3-4 ounce and a big boss reel with 200m braid backing and 100m of mono.. i have to choose between these two setups as there are baggage restrictions, i will be throwing all day so i want the most comfortable setup, i would prefer the spinning setup, but i dont want to go to light, what are your thoughts? which would you take?
Hey guys, im going on a trip to catch tuna and yel
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Riaan_The_Legend
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Torium\Exage. If I had to be honest, I'm not a fan of the reel on the spinning rod but trust the Exage and Torium with my life. Rig it with some good braid and a mono topshot and you're good to go!
kitefisher
Sealiner
Sean,a fellow sealine member recently went to W.A,for very much the same thing,maybe try a search(methinks his name is "haakies").As far as I can recall he also said that guys floating helium balloons out with the off-shore breeze were very succesfull at certain times.Think about taking a kite,even a small one wont do much harm and wont take up much space,and I sure once you're there,you'll catch on quickly as to what they are doing. Insofar as rods ,I think he took Purglass 2-pieces and may have said he was sorry he didn't take it in stroke3 or 4 purely to be able to apply more pressure to avoid the Taxman,of which he said there were numerous nunus.
Personally, i would take both and leave the extra jocks and socks at home. You fishing, so only need 2 pairs shorts, a hat, 2 t-shirts/ long sleeve shirts and a thin wind breaker (it doesnt rain in aus so no wet weather gear needed). To spend lots of $ to go fishing and have only 1 rig is asking for tears. one wrap arounfd the tip on the cast and trip ruined. take both, you wont be sorry.
Riaan_The_Legend
Senior Member
I haven't fished it extensively but a friend of mine has one and I'm not convinced? I may well be wrong, but just make sure you clean it after every session and it should be fine! I know that the Exage/Torium is massively strong and that's what really defined my vote!
Hi Sean100
I would definately get in touch of haakies and also check out the report he posted on this site.
http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=20670&forum_id=1&highlight=haakies
I would definately get in touch of haakies and also check out the report he posted on this site.
http://www.sealine.co.za/view_topic.php?id=20670&forum_id=1&highlight=haakies
G
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Hello Sean
Where are you headed to mate?
The jury is out on what is best. I used equivalent of purglass 350/3 with no power butting. I cut 4in of of the tip to stiffen it up a bit more. I was very sorry that I did not take my 350/4.
Torium 20 too small. I used Daiwa Sl50sh purely for line capacity. 300m of braid + 170m .70 mainline. You need the diameter due to casting all day and the capacity when you hook a good fish. 25kg Spanish will take some line. The air very dry and line burns easily. With thinner lines you would compromise line strength drastically. Sl50sh had big limitations in its pulling power. When i go again i will definitely take Trini 30 DC for the overhead option.
While we were there a bunch of Aussie guys arrvied throwing 85g raiders. They use Daiwa Saltiga Dogfights and the Saltiga GT popping rods 8 ft6 if i remember. They fished a yellow colour braid at 40lbs with a mono leader for stretch. You can really pull with that set-up. I vowed to give the spinning option a go and evolve a little. Step 1 in this evolution is complete. I bought a Stella 10 00. Step 2 and 3 are the rod and the braid and they will have to wait a little. This outfit is likely to be far easier on the angler while also allowing one to apply a lot more pressure on the fish. There are 2 reservations with this. The first being the chance that one may lose a little distance on the cast (have yet to be able to really compare) and the second the disadvantage of a shorter rod when fighting a fish close to the side (one is less able to keep your line away from the reef due to the shorter rod).
All said we had an incredible trip. One can get away with lighter tackle if there are no sharks about. Talking to the Aussie boys it seems that sharks are a problem wherever there are game fish. They were all from the east coast and they have similar problems with sharks at certain times. Remember that you are also targeting yellowtail. Not sure where you headed but if the fish are anything above 10kg you going to be in trouble with what you have there.
Regards
Anton
Where are you headed to mate?
The jury is out on what is best. I used equivalent of purglass 350/3 with no power butting. I cut 4in of of the tip to stiffen it up a bit more. I was very sorry that I did not take my 350/4.
Torium 20 too small. I used Daiwa Sl50sh purely for line capacity. 300m of braid + 170m .70 mainline. You need the diameter due to casting all day and the capacity when you hook a good fish. 25kg Spanish will take some line. The air very dry and line burns easily. With thinner lines you would compromise line strength drastically. Sl50sh had big limitations in its pulling power. When i go again i will definitely take Trini 30 DC for the overhead option.
While we were there a bunch of Aussie guys arrvied throwing 85g raiders. They use Daiwa Saltiga Dogfights and the Saltiga GT popping rods 8 ft6 if i remember. They fished a yellow colour braid at 40lbs with a mono leader for stretch. You can really pull with that set-up. I vowed to give the spinning option a go and evolve a little. Step 1 in this evolution is complete. I bought a Stella 10 00. Step 2 and 3 are the rod and the braid and they will have to wait a little. This outfit is likely to be far easier on the angler while also allowing one to apply a lot more pressure on the fish. There are 2 reservations with this. The first being the chance that one may lose a little distance on the cast (have yet to be able to really compare) and the second the disadvantage of a shorter rod when fighting a fish close to the side (one is less able to keep your line away from the reef due to the shorter rod).
All said we had an incredible trip. One can get away with lighter tackle if there are no sharks about. Talking to the Aussie boys it seems that sharks are a problem wherever there are game fish. They were all from the east coast and they have similar problems with sharks at certain times. Remember that you are also targeting yellowtail. Not sure where you headed but if the fish are anything above 10kg you going to be in trouble with what you have there.
Regards
Anton
hi haakies, I'm heading to a place called Jervis bay. In nsw where the guys catch marlin off the rocks! Thanks for your advice, really helps, main fish targetted are yellowtail and tuna, don't think there are mackeral there. In total my torium 20 holds 400m of line and braid, is this not enough? And will the exage not have enough backbone? What casting rod would you recommend? I don't really want to use boat rods.
G
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Hello Sean
What diameter line you going to be throwing for the yellowtail. Bear in mind that a 20 - 25kg fish is not impossible.
I have Torium and Trini 20. I did not take them to Oz because of line capacity. I fished .70 mailine and could only fit 160 - 170m on Trini/Tor. Bear in mind that you cannot overfill reeals when spinning. You need to break the reel on the drum not the line. If you break on the line you will change line often and you will no longer have any sort of fingerprint on your thumb. Think 300 casts a day for any period of time.
One can of course go thinner on the mainline as this is a decision dictated by personal preference. Me I like to feel safe when connected to a fish. It was tough for me to feel this way with thinner line that had made a few hundred casts and that I may have nicked somewhere. The cranking power of the torium is good. I had upgraded the drags in all three sl50sh's that I took and also used power handles and yet I still felt handicapped when trying to keep a fish away from the sharks. No sharks = no problem.
I do not know the Shimano exage 110h as I have not fished with it. How does it compare to a Purglass 350/3. I have seen them in shops and they seem rigid but if I recall the blank looked like a slimline blank of sorts. The folks that have those rods rate them very highly. Is your rod rated to throw 250gram?
All said a big ytail is going to give you stick on any tackle and so long as you have line capacity you should land most tuna. If a bid tail takes plenty line your chances of landing him reduce drastically so line not such a big factor there, stopping him is.
Kind rgards
Anton
What diameter line you going to be throwing for the yellowtail. Bear in mind that a 20 - 25kg fish is not impossible.
I have Torium and Trini 20. I did not take them to Oz because of line capacity. I fished .70 mailine and could only fit 160 - 170m on Trini/Tor. Bear in mind that you cannot overfill reeals when spinning. You need to break the reel on the drum not the line. If you break on the line you will change line often and you will no longer have any sort of fingerprint on your thumb. Think 300 casts a day for any period of time.
One can of course go thinner on the mainline as this is a decision dictated by personal preference. Me I like to feel safe when connected to a fish. It was tough for me to feel this way with thinner line that had made a few hundred casts and that I may have nicked somewhere. The cranking power of the torium is good. I had upgraded the drags in all three sl50sh's that I took and also used power handles and yet I still felt handicapped when trying to keep a fish away from the sharks. No sharks = no problem.
I do not know the Shimano exage 110h as I have not fished with it. How does it compare to a Purglass 350/3. I have seen them in shops and they seem rigid but if I recall the blank looked like a slimline blank of sorts. The folks that have those rods rate them very highly. Is your rod rated to throw 250gram?
All said a big ytail is going to give you stick on any tackle and so long as you have line capacity you should land most tuna. If a bid tail takes plenty line your chances of landing him reduce drastically so line not such a big factor there, stopping him is.
Kind rgards
Anton
Ya the exage 110h is rated to 250 grams and is hmg. I would prob say it has a slightly stiffer feel than the purglass, and has tremendous backbone, but not exactly sure how it would pull againsed the purglass 350/3, maybe someone else can help? There are sharks there but don't think as many as quobba!!! That place is insane!! Def doing a trip there soon!! Did your fish take lots of line? How much estimated? I currently have .47 line but will upgrade to .55 which I'm comfortable with as many huge sharks are landed on this diameter. Do you think 300m of line and braid is sufficient? Thanks alot for all your help
Hiya
The trick is get around the use of such heavy main line. Look at what the anglers all across the globe are using for catching BIG GT's (ignoblis) from the rocks. They use 8-9' rods, with a top end fixed spool/coffee grinder reel. This allows you to use braid as your main line, with a short casting or shcok leader if needed.
For a good mid-range set-up, look at the 8' Daiwa Monster Mesh (costs about R800) coupled with a Shimano Saragosa 14000 or 18000 (costs about R2500). Loaded with 50-80lb braid, you'll pretty much handle ANYTHING from the bricks.
If you want THE very best, look at the Shimano Stella 18000 or 20000 reels. They are how-ever very pricy, so beware!!
Watch this video, specifically around the 31 minute mark, where the angler tussles with a DECENT GT on popping gear off the bricks.......
http://tv.shimano.co.jp/movie/tv/paradise_15/
The trick is get around the use of such heavy main line. Look at what the anglers all across the globe are using for catching BIG GT's (ignoblis) from the rocks. They use 8-9' rods, with a top end fixed spool/coffee grinder reel. This allows you to use braid as your main line, with a short casting or shcok leader if needed.
For a good mid-range set-up, look at the 8' Daiwa Monster Mesh (costs about R800) coupled with a Shimano Saragosa 14000 or 18000 (costs about R2500). Loaded with 50-80lb braid, you'll pretty much handle ANYTHING from the bricks.
If you want THE very best, look at the Shimano Stella 18000 or 20000 reels. They are how-ever very pricy, so beware!!
Watch this video, specifically around the 31 minute mark, where the angler tussles with a DECENT GT on popping gear off the bricks.......
http://tv.shimano.co.jp/movie/tv/paradise_15/
kitefisher
Sealiner
COOL MILES, REAL COOL.
thanks for the tips miles, is a 8ft rod long enough? will it cast far enough? only reason i ask is iv heard that often the tuna feed just out of range of the anglers, which can be very frustrating! thats why i was planning on taking a ten foot! is there any other rods you would recommend? do you think .55 mainline is to thin?
Hiya
Will the 8-9' rod cast far enough? Well, that depends on a variety of issues. The first issue is WHAT size lure are you throwing? We fish for yellowtail from the boat with 2oz spoons. I fish with a 11' Exage and a Toruim 30 loaded with 24kg (50lb) mono straight through. My wife fishes with a 6"6 Shimano jigging rod and a Shimano Stella 8000 with 24kg (50lb) braid. She can cast JUST as far as i can with the 2oz spoon, even though i have a 11' rod and she has a 6"6 rod!! The thinner braid helpd TREMENDOUSLY in adding distance to your cast.
Another VERY important issue worth considering is LEVERAGE. The longer the rod, the more leverage the fish has over the angler. The shorter the rod, the more leverage the ANGLER has over the fish. Yellowtail are dirty fighters and will reef you if you give them a chance. We often lose yellowtail, not even big fish, 3-5kg class fish, when you hook them close to the kelp or in shallow waters. They simply reef you, even with 24kg line.
Check out this video clip. See how long it takes my wife to land a yellowtail compared to my buddy with a 11' Exage. This shows you what i mean when i talk about LEVERAGE. On the same trip, my buddy hooked a fish on the surface, it swam straight down, taking 60m of line off the reel (we were in 60m water) and reefed him. Thats was probably a 10-12kg fish, so be warned, BIG yellowtail are RIDICULOUSLY strong!!
[flash=425,344]http://www.youtube.com/v/vRcFIIEG5Zw&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]
Your best bet is to take some rods to a field and test them with the size of lures you'll be using. That way you can get a very accurate measure of how far you're throwing.
The drags on these new breed of fixed spool reels are also insane!! The middle of the range Shimano Saragosa 14000 or 18000 puts out 44lbs of drag. You top of the range Stella's put out 55lb's of drag. Compare that to a Toruim 30, which only puts out a mere 20lb's of drag, whilst a Trindad 30 only generates a maximum of 22lb's of drag.
Will the 8-9' rod cast far enough? Well, that depends on a variety of issues. The first issue is WHAT size lure are you throwing? We fish for yellowtail from the boat with 2oz spoons. I fish with a 11' Exage and a Toruim 30 loaded with 24kg (50lb) mono straight through. My wife fishes with a 6"6 Shimano jigging rod and a Shimano Stella 8000 with 24kg (50lb) braid. She can cast JUST as far as i can with the 2oz spoon, even though i have a 11' rod and she has a 6"6 rod!! The thinner braid helpd TREMENDOUSLY in adding distance to your cast.
Another VERY important issue worth considering is LEVERAGE. The longer the rod, the more leverage the fish has over the angler. The shorter the rod, the more leverage the ANGLER has over the fish. Yellowtail are dirty fighters and will reef you if you give them a chance. We often lose yellowtail, not even big fish, 3-5kg class fish, when you hook them close to the kelp or in shallow waters. They simply reef you, even with 24kg line.
Check out this video clip. See how long it takes my wife to land a yellowtail compared to my buddy with a 11' Exage. This shows you what i mean when i talk about LEVERAGE. On the same trip, my buddy hooked a fish on the surface, it swam straight down, taking 60m of line off the reel (we were in 60m water) and reefed him. Thats was probably a 10-12kg fish, so be warned, BIG yellowtail are RIDICULOUSLY strong!!
[flash=425,344]http://www.youtube.com/v/vRcFIIEG5Zw&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]
Your best bet is to take some rods to a field and test them with the size of lures you'll be using. That way you can get a very accurate measure of how far you're throwing.
The drags on these new breed of fixed spool reels are also insane!! The middle of the range Shimano Saragosa 14000 or 18000 puts out 44lbs of drag. You top of the range Stella's put out 55lb's of drag. Compare that to a Toruim 30, which only puts out a mere 20lb's of drag, whilst a Trindad 30 only generates a maximum of 22lb's of drag.
thanks miles, im probably gonna buy a shimano spheros as it is a great reel for the price, iv heard great things about it, they call it a sphella
will pair that up with a popping stick, and will take my exage and torium set up as well just in case i need some extra distance,(can never be to prepared) the place where im going is renouned for huuuge yellowtail, all average between 10-15kg, and many fish over 20kg are caught along with tuna and black marlin, my prob will be getting reefed by the yellowtail, cause iv heared thats the biggest problem at this spot, im gonna hold on tight there are a couple of vids on you tube of the guys catching marlin off the bricks at this place called jervis bay!! thanks again for all your help
will pair that up with a popping stick, and will take my exage and torium set up as well just in case i need some extra distance,(can never be to prepared) the place where im going is renouned for huuuge yellowtail, all average between 10-15kg, and many fish over 20kg are caught along with tuna and black marlin, my prob will be getting reefed by the yellowtail, cause iv heared thats the biggest problem at this spot, im gonna hold on tight there are a couple of vids on you tube of the guys catching marlin off the bricks at this place called jervis bay!! thanks again for all your help