tackle whore
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Has anyone used this reel for jigging? I would lik
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benniejordaan wrote:
Bennie,
Testing 25 rods seems like serious work
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Don't know much about conventional jigging reels, and don't know what is avalibale in SA, seems to me that Bruce & Chris are a very reliable information source on this matter.
Would like to "copy paste" Glenn (aka Gman) post on this, some time ago, I think it might help you look at all the options.
TOP END INVESTMENT Conventional Reels – My first choices from $600-$1,000
1. Accurate Boss 665N 2 speed “Now upgraded to the BX2 models this yearâ€
2. Shimano Ocea Jigger 4000-5000
3. John Baker 6-12
4. Alutecnos Gorilla 12-20
5. Studio Mark Blue Heaven L50
6. New Jigging Master Reels
SECOND TIER OF REELS are all great reels just lower on price point
1.Saltiga 40-50 – Kilsongs has caught probably more fish than any other reel made
2.Pro Gear Oceanus
3.Avet HOO-X
4.Shimano Trinidad
5. Shimano Torium
Bellow is the "copy paste" of kilsong review of the Penn you were considering, and mainly the 300 is too heavy and the ratio is not really suited for Tuna:
Here are my limited reviews of the reels:
Penn Torque 200/300
The reels are built like a tank.
I tested Torque 200 for yellowtail(kingfish) on the New Zealand trip.
I filled the reel with 80 lbs braided line. The line capacity of the reel is not impressive and I barely can get 260 yard of 80 lbs braided line with some room for topshot.
I believe the initial run of big yellowtail is more powerful than tuna for the same size though they lack the stamina to fight long.
The reel handled big yellowtail upto 80 lbs beautifully with smooth drag. I feel I can land a tuna over 200 lbs on the small reel if it has more line capacity. The fast gear ratio of 6:1 is generally good for jigging, but I wish they make a lower gear ratio reel as we don't need high gear ratio for tuna jigging and the lower gear can give much more cranking power when fighing a big tuna.
The downside of the reel is the reel is very heavy for its size. The weight is about 28 - 20 oz while Penn Torque 300 is 37 oz.
The max drag of Torque 200 out of box was only 20 - 22 lbs, but it seems the max drag is increased substantially after using for several days.
For big tuna, Torque 300 is more suitable than Torque 200 as Torque 300 has enough line capacity to stop any tuna under 300 lbs.
However, the weight of 37 oz is simply too heavy, at least for me, for long hour jigging. I prefer any tuna jigging reel under 30 oz.
I am curious why Penn introduced 2/0 size reel(Torque 200) and 4/0 size reel (Torque 300), not 3/0 size reel as 3/0 size reel is the most desirable reel for tuna jigging in my opinion as it has enough line capacity, confortable and light enough to jig for long hours.
P.S. - Sorry for all the "copy pastes" but like I did some research on conventional reels some time ago they were at hand.
Bennie,
Testing 25 rods seems like serious work
.Don't know much about conventional jigging reels, and don't know what is avalibale in SA, seems to me that Bruce & Chris are a very reliable information source on this matter.
Would like to "copy paste" Glenn (aka Gman) post on this, some time ago, I think it might help you look at all the options.
TOP END INVESTMENT Conventional Reels – My first choices from $600-$1,000
1. Accurate Boss 665N 2 speed “Now upgraded to the BX2 models this yearâ€
2. Shimano Ocea Jigger 4000-5000
3. John Baker 6-12
4. Alutecnos Gorilla 12-20
5. Studio Mark Blue Heaven L50
6. New Jigging Master Reels
SECOND TIER OF REELS are all great reels just lower on price point
1.Saltiga 40-50 – Kilsongs has caught probably more fish than any other reel made
2.Pro Gear Oceanus
3.Avet HOO-X
4.Shimano Trinidad
5. Shimano Torium
Bellow is the "copy paste" of kilsong review of the Penn you were considering, and mainly the 300 is too heavy and the ratio is not really suited for Tuna:
Here are my limited reviews of the reels:
Penn Torque 200/300
The reels are built like a tank.
I tested Torque 200 for yellowtail(kingfish) on the New Zealand trip.
I filled the reel with 80 lbs braided line. The line capacity of the reel is not impressive and I barely can get 260 yard of 80 lbs braided line with some room for topshot.
I believe the initial run of big yellowtail is more powerful than tuna for the same size though they lack the stamina to fight long.
The reel handled big yellowtail upto 80 lbs beautifully with smooth drag. I feel I can land a tuna over 200 lbs on the small reel if it has more line capacity. The fast gear ratio of 6:1 is generally good for jigging, but I wish they make a lower gear ratio reel as we don't need high gear ratio for tuna jigging and the lower gear can give much more cranking power when fighing a big tuna.
The downside of the reel is the reel is very heavy for its size. The weight is about 28 - 20 oz while Penn Torque 300 is 37 oz.
The max drag of Torque 200 out of box was only 20 - 22 lbs, but it seems the max drag is increased substantially after using for several days.
For big tuna, Torque 300 is more suitable than Torque 200 as Torque 300 has enough line capacity to stop any tuna under 300 lbs.
However, the weight of 37 oz is simply too heavy, at least for me, for long hour jigging. I prefer any tuna jigging reel under 30 oz.
I am curious why Penn introduced 2/0 size reel(Torque 200) and 4/0 size reel (Torque 300), not 3/0 size reel as 3/0 size reel is the most desirable reel for tuna jigging in my opinion as it has enough line capacity, confortable and light enough to jig for long hours.
P.S. - Sorry for all the "copy pastes" but like I did some research on conventional reels some time ago they were at hand.
benniejordaan
Sealiner
Thanks fedu,
Taking from that:
The correct reel for me would be the Saltiga 40 then.
Interesting. Here we prefere the faster retrieve, thought it was everyone but it makes sence. For tuna go lower ratio for the prolonged fight. Here for YT, Ambers etc, faster.
Nice stuff, I really appreciate the info guys!
Thanks.
Taking from that:
The correct reel for me would be the Saltiga 40 then.
Interesting. Here we prefere the faster retrieve, thought it was everyone but it makes sence. For tuna go lower ratio for the prolonged fight. Here for YT, Ambers etc, faster.
Nice stuff, I really appreciate the info guys!
Thanks.
benniejordaan wrote:
It seems so, but like life is made of decisions here goes another paste from kilsong (probably one of the biggest Tuna Jiggers in the world), but remmember this guy fightes cow sized Tuna, and he also puts another question, Star Drag or Lever Drag.
I have mixed opinion on Saltiga 50. I always say Saltiga 40/50 is one of the best star drag jigging reels in the market and it is no secret I love my Saltiga 40/50. I caught a few bluefin over 200 lbs on jigs with my Saltiga 50.
However the max drag of Saltiga 40/50 is 23 - 25 lbs. When I landed a 172 lbs yellowfin with my Saltiga 50, It was no problem, but when I fought a 250 lbs cow with the reel, it was hard to gain any line when tuna made a circle under the boat simply because the light drag of 23 - 25 lbs was not good enough. Besides, my Saltiga's handle got frozen. I still don't know it was because of heat generated by fighting long or other malfuction of the reel by enormous pressure of the fish. My friend Mike Jung landed 77" (260- 270 lbs) bluefin with Saltiga 50 after fighting three hours and he told me the reel made strange sound and the drag seemed not functioning properly after the fight.
I think it is a logical choice to use lever drag reels which have strength and durability as well as have max drag over 30 lbs at full for cow.
If you like star drag reels, Trinidad 40/50 could be a good choice as they have 33 lbs max drag and it is believed the 40/50 are very strong.
P.S. - Hope to help make an informed decision, sorry for the second hand info but conventionals are not really my game (wil start learning now).
Bruce (aka FTF) has allready had some very nice sized Dogtooh Tuna under is belt I would wait for his opinion also.
Bennie,
It seems so, but like life is made of decisions here goes another paste from kilsong (probably one of the biggest Tuna Jiggers in the world), but remmember this guy fightes cow sized Tuna, and he also puts another question, Star Drag or Lever Drag.
I have mixed opinion on Saltiga 50. I always say Saltiga 40/50 is one of the best star drag jigging reels in the market and it is no secret I love my Saltiga 40/50. I caught a few bluefin over 200 lbs on jigs with my Saltiga 50.
However the max drag of Saltiga 40/50 is 23 - 25 lbs. When I landed a 172 lbs yellowfin with my Saltiga 50, It was no problem, but when I fought a 250 lbs cow with the reel, it was hard to gain any line when tuna made a circle under the boat simply because the light drag of 23 - 25 lbs was not good enough. Besides, my Saltiga's handle got frozen. I still don't know it was because of heat generated by fighting long or other malfuction of the reel by enormous pressure of the fish. My friend Mike Jung landed 77" (260- 270 lbs) bluefin with Saltiga 50 after fighting three hours and he told me the reel made strange sound and the drag seemed not functioning properly after the fight.
I think it is a logical choice to use lever drag reels which have strength and durability as well as have max drag over 30 lbs at full for cow.
If you like star drag reels, Trinidad 40/50 could be a good choice as they have 33 lbs max drag and it is believed the 40/50 are very strong.
P.S. - Hope to help make an informed decision, sorry for the second hand info but conventionals are not really my game (wil start learning now).
Bruce (aka FTF) has allready had some very nice sized Dogtooh Tuna under is belt I would wait for his opinion also.
benniejordaan
Sealiner
Fedu,
My main target will not me Tunny! I require a strong drag for a short period of time if a Jack, Tail or a GT bites. I can fully understand with the Tunny. Those thing are machines. Here off Port Edward or Shelly, we genrally get gas bottles upto about 30kg max.
This info has not only been helpful but educational too. Thanks and and may your lines remain tight as long as they are in the water!
My main target will not me Tunny! I require a strong drag for a short period of time if a Jack, Tail or a GT bites. I can fully understand with the Tunny. Those thing are machines. Here off Port Edward or Shelly, we genrally get gas bottles upto about 30kg max.
This info has not only been helpful but educational too. Thanks and and may your lines remain tight as long as they are in the water!
FREE THE FIGHTER
Senior Member
Great info there Fernando. So Bennie......which reel is it gonna be ?
Reckon a 30kg AJ in Tiger country as much of a challenge as those cows in open water. AJ, Doggies - different animal really IMO. But thats a whole new debate
I reckon a Jigging Master PE5 on a JM 350 Free Jigger rod !
Reckon a 30kg AJ in Tiger country as much of a challenge as those cows in open water. AJ, Doggies - different animal really IMO. But thats a whole new debate
I reckon a Jigging Master PE5 on a JM 350 Free Jigger rod !
benniejordaan
Sealiner
FTF:
Not sure bud.
I may just botlt a Saltiga 40 on, upgrade the drag and see how it goes.
Thanks for all the help!
Not sure bud.
I may just botlt a Saltiga 40 on, upgrade the drag and see how it goes.
Thanks for all the help!
Some really great info here on all the reels and styles of jigging that suit each one best...
Big thanks to Fernando in putting that all together for us, some great opinions from some truly top jiggers from around the planet.
One thing about the speed of retrieve though, you will find that 99% of jiggers round the world prefer the slower power gear versions of reels for jigging, whether they be spinning or overhead. Look at your Stella 20K, with its 4.4:1 ratio, as opposed to the "Popping" model,the older 10000FA or the newer SW18000, both which have ratio's of upwards of 5.7:1. Similarly, your dedicated jigging reels in the overhead department such as Ocea Jigger P series, Gorialla's, Saltiga Z40's, Jigging Master PE4 and 5 etc are all power geared between 4:1 and 5:1. Granted reel like the OJ do come in a higher speed version, but are far less popular.
When jigging first started growing in popularity, it was often refered to as "Speed Jigging", which created the opinion that the absolute highest speed reel is optimal, when in fact, in most cases the reverse is true.
A reel ith a gear ratio between 4:1 and 5:1 is about optimal for jigging as it is far easier to achieve the "Mechanical Jigging" motion which is so succesful on getting fish to strike, and gets the most moevment and desired action out of the jig.
It is also less work on the angler, although this is a secondary concern, but a nice added bonus.
If one is really looking to or needing to fish jigs at really high speeds, in my opinion a Spinning reel and lighter jigs is a better option.
The beauty is that there are no hard and fast rules about anythig in fishing, so what suits you, may not suit the next guy... the trick is to find what suits you best.
Big thanks to Fernando in putting that all together for us, some great opinions from some truly top jiggers from around the planet.
One thing about the speed of retrieve though, you will find that 99% of jiggers round the world prefer the slower power gear versions of reels for jigging, whether they be spinning or overhead. Look at your Stella 20K, with its 4.4:1 ratio, as opposed to the "Popping" model,the older 10000FA or the newer SW18000, both which have ratio's of upwards of 5.7:1. Similarly, your dedicated jigging reels in the overhead department such as Ocea Jigger P series, Gorialla's, Saltiga Z40's, Jigging Master PE4 and 5 etc are all power geared between 4:1 and 5:1. Granted reel like the OJ do come in a higher speed version, but are far less popular.
When jigging first started growing in popularity, it was often refered to as "Speed Jigging", which created the opinion that the absolute highest speed reel is optimal, when in fact, in most cases the reverse is true.
A reel ith a gear ratio between 4:1 and 5:1 is about optimal for jigging as it is far easier to achieve the "Mechanical Jigging" motion which is so succesful on getting fish to strike, and gets the most moevment and desired action out of the jig.
It is also less work on the angler, although this is a secondary concern, but a nice added bonus.
If one is really looking to or needing to fish jigs at really high speeds, in my opinion a Spinning reel and lighter jigs is a better option.
The beauty is that there are no hard and fast rules about anythig in fishing, so what suits you, may not suit the next guy... the trick is to find what suits you best.
Nepptune wrote:
Unfortunatly I usually don't target Tuna and even for AJ's, for me, with jigs above 200g high gear ratio is not an option, can not handle it for long period of time.
Bennie on paper the Saltiga 40 looks like a good option, well recomended, proven, and with a low Gear Ratio 4.9:1 :
Daiwa SALTIGA 40
# Gear Ratio - 4.9:1
# Weight 24.3 oz.
# Line Capacity Mono 270/30
# Line Capacity Braided 490/50
# Available in Platinum, Blue & Gold
Unique in combining super high-speed gearing with heavy-duty cranking power.
Featured are :
# strong one-piece machined aluminum frames
# stamped aluminum sideplates
# stainless steel ball bearings
# adjustable power handle
# adjustable clicker
# Daiwa's oversized drag system with oversized main gear.
Totally right Andre, and Shimano has got a lot to do with this confusion, even today for the Buterfly System they advice some high gear ratio options, but 98% of they're jigs are very light...
Unfortunatly I usually don't target Tuna and even for AJ's, for me, with jigs above 200g high gear ratio is not an option, can not handle it for long period of time.
Bennie on paper the Saltiga 40 looks like a good option, well recomended, proven, and with a low Gear Ratio 4.9:1 :
Daiwa SALTIGA 40
# Gear Ratio - 4.9:1
# Weight 24.3 oz.
# Line Capacity Mono 270/30
# Line Capacity Braided 490/50
# Available in Platinum, Blue & Gold
Unique in combining super high-speed gearing with heavy-duty cranking power.
Featured are :
# strong one-piece machined aluminum frames
# stamped aluminum sideplates
# stainless steel ball bearings
# adjustable power handle
# adjustable clicker
# Daiwa's oversized drag system with oversized main gear.
FREE THE FIGHTER
Senior Member
And that reel NOT available in S.A. I believe.
FREE THE FIGHTER wrote:
And the Trinidad 40N cost almost 4.000 rands but Bennie sayd he's used to import in USA the Saltiga 40 cost less than 460 USD (around 3.800 rand)
P.S. - sorry but i've allway thought we were talking about the Saltiga 40, not the Z40 or the SA40HK
yep, I've only seen advertisments of the Saltiga SA40HK, that is not the same model and not the same ratio (5.9:1) ...
And the Trinidad 40N cost almost 4.000 rands but Bennie sayd he's used to import in USA the Saltiga 40 cost less than 460 USD (around 3.800 rand)
P.S. - sorry but i've allway thought we were talking about the Saltiga 40, not the Z40 or the SA40HK
FREE THE FIGHTER
Senior Member
100% correct Fernando - another issue is spool width. The Z40 ( I have one) is very close to the 30T with a narrower spool. The SA40HK has a pretty wide spool making line lay a pain - especially if jigging deep. With the narrower spools of the specialist jigging reels this is not a hassle at all.
I was just worried that Bennie may have read Glenns advice and thought the SA40HK in SA shops was the same reel. But we got it now 40,Z40,SA40HK all different and 40 and Z40 not available in SA.
Thanks
I was just worried that Bennie may have read Glenns advice and thought the SA40HK in SA shops was the same reel. But we got it now 40,Z40,SA40HK all different and 40 and Z40 not available in SA.
Thanks
FREE THE FIGHTER wrote:
Sorry for all the confusion I may have caused
[*]Saltiga 40 - 4.9:1 gear ratio, holds 500m of 40lbs line [/*][*]Saltiga Z40 - 4.9:1 gear ratio, holds 400m of 30lbs line
[/*][*]Saltiga SA40HK - 5.9:1 gear ratio, holds 575m of .40mm line or 525 of .43mm line[/*] The SA40HK is a surf model, the Z40 I think it was initially for Japan Domestic market and the 40 is the regular international model.
KILSONG in his report is allways refering to the regular 40 model
P.S. - I Corrected the typo on the ratio of Z40 has FTF commented.
On the same price range of the Saltiga 40 I only see the Shimano Trinidad 40N (narrow) 4.9:1 gear ratio 320m of 80lb braid, allthough if fighting cow Tunas then the Trinidad 40, but think for what we mortals fish the 40N.
Sorry for all the confusion I may have caused
[*]Saltiga 40 - 4.9:1 gear ratio, holds 500m of 40lbs line [/*][*]Saltiga Z40 - 4.9:1 gear ratio, holds 400m of 30lbs line
[/*][*]Saltiga SA40HK - 5.9:1 gear ratio, holds 575m of .40mm line or 525 of .43mm line[/*] The SA40HK is a surf model, the Z40 I think it was initially for Japan Domestic market and the 40 is the regular international model.
KILSONG in his report is allways refering to the regular 40 model
P.S. - I Corrected the typo on the ratio of Z40 has FTF commented.
On the same price range of the Saltiga 40 I only see the Shimano Trinidad 40N (narrow) 4.9:1 gear ratio 320m of 80lb braid, allthough if fighting cow Tunas then the Trinidad 40, but think for what we mortals fish the 40N.
FREE THE FIGHTER
Senior Member
No confusion Fed, educational - thats what these forums are all about.
Yup Z40 was a JDM but closer the the 30T. See this for a comparison..
http://www.westernangler.com.au/forum/m_115359/printable.htm
Before we get totally confused, what he calls a SA40 is Glen/Kils "40" Same thing.
Yup SA40HK essentially a surf reel.
Oh and Z40 is 4.9:1 not 5.1:1
Yup Z40 was a JDM but closer the the 30T. See this for a comparison..
http://www.westernangler.com.au/forum/m_115359/printable.htm
Before we get totally confused, what he calls a SA40 is Glen/Kils "40" Same thing.
Yup SA40HK essentially a surf reel.
Oh and Z40 is 4.9:1 not 5.1:1
tackle whore
Senior Member
give me a call mate got a torsa20 for you
benniejordaan wrote:
Penn International is one of the best reels on the market, you will not be making a mistake IMO.
Load it with 110lb Braid, you will need it.
Penn International is one of the best reels on the market, you will not be making a mistake IMO.
Load it with 110lb Braid, you will need it.
Dingleberry
Senior Member
What about the accurates? They look pretty tough and they come quite narrow.
