We (my boet and I) have both setups. 2 x torium 50's and a torium 20 with Cuban Cigars mag it, and a saltiga 50ld magged by old salt with the jmag. We don't get to the coast enough to say they are extensively tested, but I can say that I prefer the one system and my brother seems to prefer the other. Reasons ranging from adjustabality, to appearance, to casting style and casting ability to clumsiness. What I can tell you is that both individuals are pleasant to deal with, take pride in their work, and deliver a good product, and that we as individuals need to decide which mag method we prefer, because both have advantages and disadvantages.
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This is certainly not a Cuban Cigar vs Old Salt debate as everyone is assuming, it is purely static vs Knobby for Grootvis! Im not a novice to fishing by a far way, and really am trying to prove that for me this was the set up i wanted, and im giving the results as honestly as i can.....
I wanted to be able to throw a light plug on heavy gear a reasonable distance, I now have it and no further need to comment as the results speak for themselves. It is nice to just pick up a rod and reel and cast without having to adjust it and having an irritating knob chaffing you, it really does get in my way, saying that nicely of course!
You have 2 options....YOU make your choice!...
I wanted to be able to throw a light plug on heavy gear a reasonable distance, I now have it and no further need to comment as the results speak for themselves. It is nice to just pick up a rod and reel and cast without having to adjust it and having an irritating knob chaffing you, it really does get in my way, saying that nicely of course!
You have 2 options....YOU make your choice!...
Grootvis..as usual the post was taken out of context..
Mooi verduidelik...
I'm not a knobby fan either and will not knock the product as it has been proven to work for OTHERS..
I have 2 T20, 1 with braid and one with "nylon"...Two different setting for the the same weight sinker I throw.
As you said, I found the best setting on the same reels with different lines on them and it works FOR ME.
Mooi verduidelik...
I'm not a knobby fan either and will not knock the product as it has been proven to work for OTHERS..
I have 2 T20, 1 with braid and one with "nylon"...Two different setting for the the same weight sinker I throw.
As you said, I found the best setting on the same reels with different lines on them and it works FOR ME.
Hi Grootvis.
While your post is informative and promoting your view, its also important to not make opinions about a cast control system you don't know much about. The knobby system. I only say this as there are some statements you make about knobby systems that are completely irrational.
Like magnet size ect. Hurting your arm so on.
While its important to give feedback like the benefits of static mags. Its also important to not sldge another system. It doesn't matter who installs it, Old salt, Cuban cigar etc. Whats important to note is that it may be that way you started the thread that got a bit of flack your way. Perhaps in future ask the "knobby" guys to give info. People like Bamboo skollie who has been doing this for years as well. Then make a thread comparing it. Or give feedback that is informed. There are a lot of people interested in both systems. they both work very well,trust me. Its just personal choice.
While your post is informative and promoting your view, its also important to not make opinions about a cast control system you don't know much about. The knobby system. I only say this as there are some statements you make about knobby systems that are completely irrational.
Like magnet size ect. Hurting your arm so on.
While its important to give feedback like the benefits of static mags. Its also important to not sldge another system. It doesn't matter who installs it, Old salt, Cuban cigar etc. Whats important to note is that it may be that way you started the thread that got a bit of flack your way. Perhaps in future ask the "knobby" guys to give info. People like Bamboo skollie who has been doing this for years as well. Then make a thread comparing it. Or give feedback that is informed. There are a lot of people interested in both systems. they both work very well,trust me. Its just personal choice.
Ray11 wrote:
To shock you, I own a blackdog knobby!!! But why have I not fitted it?...........................
So what you saying is, is that you only use one size magnet and by adjusting it closer or further to the spool is how it is adjusted? Old Salt mentioned different size magnets for different reels?Is this correct? What is so technical about a knobby mag that a person of my intellect cannot understand? I will play stupid here, but please explain to me, and all others watching the thread for advice exactly how a knobby works that we dont understand? I have fished with a knobby, it chaffed the hell out of my hand, you surf cast, you dont stand all day casting cast after cast after cast, so believe me if I tell you , it gets in the way for me where i hold my rod, sometimes I grip the rod where the locking ring is for the reel. So please in future, if you feel the need to tell me I dont understand anything about a knobby, please explain what it is that I have given false information about. Are there different strengths in magnets, well yes, and if the wrong one was fitted you wouldve had to put that magnet onto my spool to slow it. You and many others are not getting the picture, im not using it for surf casting, so if there is any comparison to be had about them , dont mention it, because like I have said in each of my posts, this is for a different application all together. Not trying to be rude, but , people must read and understand my posts first. I appreciate Bambooskollies posts, in matter of he is in the same game as I am, and as I am allowed to view my opinions , so is he, thats what makes for excellent advice is seeing both sides and where we can relate to what is being said.
To shock you, I own a blackdog knobby!!! But why have I not fitted it?...........................
bambooskollie
Sealiner
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Hope this helps....
Da skollie
Hope this helps....
Da skollie
grootvis wrote:
Since you dont like the knobby job, you can post the blackdog to me. Lol wil cover postage.
Ray11 wrote:So what you saying is, is that you only use one size magnet and by adjusting it closer or further to the spool is how it is adjusted? Old Salt mentioned different size magnets for different reels?Is this correct? What is so technical about a knobby mag that a person of my intellect cannot understand? I will play stupid here, but please explain to me, and all others watching the thread for advice exactly how a knobby works that we dont understand? I have fished with a knobby, it chaffed the hell out of my hand, you surf cast, you dont stand all day casting cast after cast after cast, so believe me if I tell you , it gets in the way for me where i hold my rod, sometimes I grip the rod where the locking ring is for the reel. So please in future, if you feel the need to tell me I dont understand anything about a knobby, please explain what it is that I have given false information about. Are there different strengths in magnets, well yes, and if the wrong one was fitted you wouldve had to put that magnet onto my spool to slow it. You and many others are not getting the picture, im not using it for surf casting, so if there is any comparison to be had about them , dont mention it, because like I have said in each of my posts, this is for a different application all together. Not trying to be rude, but , people must read and understand my posts first. I appreciate Bambooskollies posts, in matter of he is in the same game as I am, and as I am allowed to view my opinions , so is he, thats what makes for excellent advice is seeing both sides and where we can relate to what is being said.
To shock you, I own a blackdog knobby!!! But why have I not fitted it?...........................
Since you dont like the knobby job, you can post the blackdog to me. Lol wil cover postage.
bambooskollie wrote:
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What are you using that for??????????????? i dont have knobbys fitted, so not neccessary, but I might take you up on it want my groot ****** chafe baie..........leeuloop.........- Thanks for the Replies - Hope this helps....Da skollie
::H::HHave you compared casting distance? I have static Mags, and set on max breaking with two mags I find the distance lost to be substantial. I would imagine with 100lbs braid and a light plug it would be the same? Also what distance do you loose if you switched to a heavier lure (perhaps a spoon), when nothing is happening on the plug, and you want to give a few long casts a go. Would you agree about 30; percent?
trevour wrote:
Heres the break down, maybe you can spot something, I think I might have an idea,
as you saw in my first post, my testing was to first make sure i could cast the lightest plug I have , which was a 2 and 2.5 oz plug, I had to shift the magnets (2 x magnets) to max, could cast approx. 80-100m with complete control. Then i switched to a 3.5 - 4oz plug, and it casts exactly the same distance, not further or less, exactly the same distance. I am happy with this, because if I just adjust a mm back, i cannot cast the lightest plug, and with that distance Im more than happy as i do not need the distance really, I like the mags for preventing overwinds and allowing me to cast lighter plugs. The spoons, seriolas and abu, will no doubt cast further I believe, but not by making the cast harder, but with less effort, if you know what I mean.
Now the experts are going to jump in again with my next point, but i believe, the length of rod, plays a factor too in casting, I am getting the idea that a rod length is only going to allow you to cast as far as it will let you. Im only using an 11ft rod, so how much more distance would I really expect? If I took the reel off and fitted it to my surf rod, with same settings, i would loose alot of distance on the cast, and would have to probably reduce the setting, I hope this makes sense. I think, I have the reel and rod combo basically casting at the max, with what is available and with absolute control. I have fitted ceramic hybrid bearings now too, and very little change to the distance, but had to use more braking. On surf set ups, casting 4 to 6oz leads, it is far easier to control and you have a bit more forgiveness in the settings if you a are over or under, so it is a little more difficult to achieve , casting lighter with heavier, which the statics allowed me to achieve. So, it does not really matter if you have a knobby or static, they both would have had to been adjusted as such and a hundred times over until the the perfect setting is achieved. What your take on it?
And , all 3 reels, cast the same distance, with different settings, but with one common factor, the rod was the same...so it just makes me think a little that you can only cast as far as rod allows and maybe not always just the reel.
Trevour,
Heres the break down, maybe you can spot something, I think I might have an idea,
as you saw in my first post, my testing was to first make sure i could cast the lightest plug I have , which was a 2 and 2.5 oz plug, I had to shift the magnets (2 x magnets) to max, could cast approx. 80-100m with complete control. Then i switched to a 3.5 - 4oz plug, and it casts exactly the same distance, not further or less, exactly the same distance. I am happy with this, because if I just adjust a mm back, i cannot cast the lightest plug, and with that distance Im more than happy as i do not need the distance really, I like the mags for preventing overwinds and allowing me to cast lighter plugs. The spoons, seriolas and abu, will no doubt cast further I believe, but not by making the cast harder, but with less effort, if you know what I mean.
Now the experts are going to jump in again with my next point, but i believe, the length of rod, plays a factor too in casting, I am getting the idea that a rod length is only going to allow you to cast as far as it will let you. Im only using an 11ft rod, so how much more distance would I really expect? If I took the reel off and fitted it to my surf rod, with same settings, i would loose alot of distance on the cast, and would have to probably reduce the setting, I hope this makes sense. I think, I have the reel and rod combo basically casting at the max, with what is available and with absolute control. I have fitted ceramic hybrid bearings now too, and very little change to the distance, but had to use more braking. On surf set ups, casting 4 to 6oz leads, it is far easier to control and you have a bit more forgiveness in the settings if you a are over or under, so it is a little more difficult to achieve , casting lighter with heavier, which the statics allowed me to achieve. So, it does not really matter if you have a knobby or static, they both would have had to been adjusted as such and a hundred times over until the the perfect setting is achieved. What your take on it?
And , all 3 reels, cast the same distance, with different settings, but with one common factor, the rod was the same...so it just makes me think a little that you can only cast as far as rod allows and maybe not always just the reel.
bambooskollie
Sealiner
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Funnyman - Had a good LOL. Glad you not taking me to seriously.
Keep up the great work - Trini A reels are animals to cast. Fine tuning is essential if you want to do what you are doing with success.
Apologies for the HiJAck ...
Funnyman - Had a good LOL. Glad you not taking me to seriously.
Keep up the great work - Trini A reels are animals to cast. Fine tuning is essential if you want to do what you are doing with success.
Apologies for the HiJAck ...
grootvis wrote:
Hi grootvis.
Bamboo skollie asked a lot of questions and quoted your thread. I don't think you answered them that's the reason for my response. I was just as strangely amused by some of your points hence me asking. You are asking a lot of questions about the knobby system and also. Please post me the blackdog knobby. I would really appreciate it.
Let me set your mind at ease.
The person that will install a knobby type system will fit the correct mag if they know what they doing. I would imagine its the same with static mags.
If its scraping your arm you can just adjust the grip in which you holding your rod.It will take a few practice casts but easy to do.
The mag can be set and wont move unless you personally move it meaning you can find the sweet spot easily adjusting to turning winds.
You can also adjust the mags in flight by turning the knobby and releasing the magnetic force allowing more distance. You can also throw spoons with them. There are a few sealiners I have spent time with at the water showing and explaining the system which is easy to use. Even kids use them in casting clinics to full operational requirement.
Ray11 wrote:So what you saying is, is that you only use one size magnet and by adjusting it closer or further to the spool is how it is adjusted? Old Salt mentioned different size magnets for different reels?Is this correct? What is so technical about a knobby mag that a person of my intellect cannot understand? I will play stupid here, but please explain to me, and all others watching the thread for advice exactly how a knobby works that we dont understand? I have fished with a knobby, it chaffed the hell out of my hand, you surf cast, you dont stand all day casting cast after cast after cast, so believe me if I tell you , it gets in the way for me where i hold my rod, sometimes I grip the rod where the locking ring is for the reel. So please in future, if you feel the need to tell me I dont understand anything about a knobby, please explain what it is that I have given false information about. Are there different strengths in magnets, well yes, and if the wrong one was fitted you wouldve had to put that magnet onto my spool to slow it. You and many others are not getting the picture, im not using it for surf casting, so if there is any comparison to be had about them , dont mention it, because like I have said in each of my posts, this is for a different application all together. Not trying to be rude, but , people must read and understand my posts first. I appreciate Bambooskollies posts, in matter of he is in the same game as I am, and as I am allowed to view my opinions , so is he, thats what makes for excellent advice is seeing both sides and where we can relate to what is being said.
To shock you, I own a blackdog knobby!!! But why have I not fitted it?...........................
Hi grootvis.
Bamboo skollie asked a lot of questions and quoted your thread. I don't think you answered them that's the reason for my response. I was just as strangely amused by some of your points hence me asking. You are asking a lot of questions about the knobby system and also. Please post me the blackdog knobby. I would really appreciate it.
Let me set your mind at ease.
The person that will install a knobby type system will fit the correct mag if they know what they doing. I would imagine its the same with static mags.
If its scraping your arm you can just adjust the grip in which you holding your rod.It will take a few practice casts but easy to do.
The mag can be set and wont move unless you personally move it meaning you can find the sweet spot easily adjusting to turning winds.
You can also adjust the mags in flight by turning the knobby and releasing the magnetic force allowing more distance. You can also throw spoons with them. There are a few sealiners I have spent time with at the water showing and explaining the system which is easy to use. Even kids use them in casting clinics to full operational requirement.
@ Ray11...Flight time of most lures/sinkers average @ 8sec...You gotta be purfectly brilliant in adjusting/controling ur coils in flight to prevent an overwind or loosen to increase a 10%+ distance of the object.
I have read extensively on the knobby and it has proven itself in distance casting by PRO's..
For us novices casting to a reef from a beach fiddeling with that knobby in flight will do 1 of 2 things..
1..get the xtra distance or 2 sit with an overwind for not stopping the spool in time since your attention is at setting a knobby in flight.
Iv'e come to realise with this thread ..EACH 2 his OWN.
I have read extensively on the knobby and it has proven itself in distance casting by PRO's..
For us novices casting to a reef from a beach fiddeling with that knobby in flight will do 1 of 2 things..
1..get the xtra distance or 2 sit with an overwind for not stopping the spool in time since your attention is at setting a knobby in flight.
Iv'e come to realise with this thread ..EACH 2 his OWN.
Hi bigben.
anyone can choose what they like. Its absolutely fine.
But Im not a pro. I can cast very well with a knobby. Its easy to adjust and not expensive either.
Like anything new. It takes some time to master.
But we must be aware not to down another product in order to promote a product as some have said in this thread toungue in cheek. Everyone here can promote but not bu demoting another. There were very pertinent and relevant questions asked by bamboo skollie to get clarity. Same as me as a user of the knobby system. Some of the the thread makers points were made in statement not in question. Because then answers could have been given. Not questions.
Knobby mags and static mags have a place in the market.
But taming a super fast reel the right way must be said in relevance. Taming it the right way for who and for what purposes. Hope this makes sense.
anyone can choose what they like. Its absolutely fine.
But Im not a pro. I can cast very well with a knobby. Its easy to adjust and not expensive either.
Like anything new. It takes some time to master.
But we must be aware not to down another product in order to promote a product as some have said in this thread toungue in cheek. Everyone here can promote but not bu demoting another. There were very pertinent and relevant questions asked by bamboo skollie to get clarity. Same as me as a user of the knobby system. Some of the the thread makers points were made in statement not in question. Because then answers could have been given. Not questions.
Knobby mags and static mags have a place in the market.
But taming a super fast reel the right way must be said in relevance. Taming it the right way for who and for what purposes. Hope this makes sense.
All good. I have to push the boundaries on my reels. Do you guys ever consider line weight in all these things? I might change out the #5 ceramics with the #7 orange seal bearings and 80LBS braid, see what i can achieve with that.
Whats your results with the orange seal bearings?
Whats your results with the orange seal bearings?
Ive only ever used abec 9 hybrid ceramic run dry bearings. They inported from Switzerland.
Hystorically theres always a huge debate world wide on different forums, with regards to which is better and why.(regarding normal and ceramic bearings)
Boca abec 7 orange seal bearings are according to review, the best spec for salt water application as they balance with tollerence in accordance with longevity in salt water uses. Ceramic bearings are very sensitive. They must be treated with care and cleaned more regularly for longer life. In our fishing applications in sa where ceramics are used less than in overseas, line diameter is very important as I have learned. On a multiplier, I use .35 up to .38 which hints to your question about line weight. Of course the thinner the diameter the better and smoother the distance.
Line lay is also very important. SOme people don't care too much for it but the logic behind it makes sense. If you have a spool rotating at higher revolutions assisted by ceramics the line weight is distributed though the spool
with more instability due to line weight lumped either side. Sometimes just a even line lat without being too pedantic can do the trick.
Good luck on the casting and all the new toys. Exciting times.
Hystorically theres always a huge debate world wide on different forums, with regards to which is better and why.(regarding normal and ceramic bearings)
Boca abec 7 orange seal bearings are according to review, the best spec for salt water application as they balance with tollerence in accordance with longevity in salt water uses. Ceramic bearings are very sensitive. They must be treated with care and cleaned more regularly for longer life. In our fishing applications in sa where ceramics are used less than in overseas, line diameter is very important as I have learned. On a multiplier, I use .35 up to .38 which hints to your question about line weight. Of course the thinner the diameter the better and smoother the distance.
Line lay is also very important. SOme people don't care too much for it but the logic behind it makes sense. If you have a spool rotating at higher revolutions assisted by ceramics the line weight is distributed though the spool
with more instability due to line weight lumped either side. Sometimes just a even line lat without being too pedantic can do the trick.
Good luck on the casting and all the new toys. Exciting times.
Good morning All, just read this thread as I am busy on reels for saterdays WP leaque comp as seasons opens so I dont have time to chit chat and talk rubbish like some of the people on this thread. Comments range from silly to totally idiotic yes you read correct. Obviously some egos are so Groot they have absolutely no idea what they speak of or how mags really work or what nis the correct way to fit them either.
Lets get the gloves off for some of the clever and subtle sly people here who 1, alawys want to damage my reputation and what I do, why because they also work on reels but will never share the passion I have for what I do. 2 they make money off the mag it system so push it and badmouth anything else like my jmag and my work also. 3 they create little castles and gang up on me constantly because they have small minds and no self respect nor for others. Ultimately they create these little clicks to further their own agendas which is NOt to the forums benefit nor condusive to a healthy open forum.
I will not get drawn into this which is why I have not commented until now.
Mag it works but half a job only as no adjustability fact, it cannot be set to adapting wind or terrain conditions you need to add or remove magnets by opening the reel and can never fine tune itto get the max performance, Jmag can with the turn of the dial be set to invariable settings, this is what a magged reel is about, not being fixed but adjustable just like you spool tension knob on every reel adjustable.
I helped cuban cigar get started on his request as he may have lost his job, then I told him months later for reasons i will make public to not come to me for help or his reel parts for good reason, this he can confirm as truth.
I HAVE fitted 4 jmags to guys on this forum whom were NOT happy as the fixed mag system did NOT perform as they expected, please guys would you please comment to give impartiality.
THIS SAIS IT ALL.
The jmag mag like all monomags work on a single magnet and absolutely effective this is proven I need not even try to convince you go use google like so many so called experts do.
Doing reels and modding them is my passion and full time income so I dont have the time nor energy to waste on games like is happening here most of the time with this magit crew.
Here is a picture of a reel done by magit a 15/30 SEVEN magnets to tame a spool 7 ones much larger than the SINGLE yes 1 magnet I use to work 110 percent. I wil, mot be drawn into debate as I refuse to sink to the level of these members out to make a quick buck which is NOT to the benefit of this forum and i have spoken to fhe owner of Sealine about this as its not great for us wanting to add value and build relationships.
In a nutshell I love reels and am totally passionate about what I do, I have clients to serve with transparency and high class work which is why people always comment and commend me that have gone elsewhere before, guys here on this theead do reels and cannot handle that this fact so they badmouth me to damage my reputation and the value I always try add here.
This is the reason I am so quiet on sealine because of this politics which I dont have time for as I need to work and serve my clients whom come first.
Check the picture of one reel I serviced now loaded with magnets to the hilt lol. The solution choose the system you think works best, go google casting and world distance casting forums also Goole reel manufacturers and see who uses a fixed mag system no one does for good reason, dont accept my word go and check and not be influenced by biase comments.
I will not respond to any comments further as I dont haven time to waste. Various people have requested I comment on whats been happening here.
If you like my work follow me on facebook Jonathans reel repairs and upgrades.
Jeryl please take note of this thread and all the comments posted.
Im signing off and unwatching this topic. I have reels to finish for this afternoon for the province guys.
Lets get the gloves off for some of the clever and subtle sly people here who 1, alawys want to damage my reputation and what I do, why because they also work on reels but will never share the passion I have for what I do. 2 they make money off the mag it system so push it and badmouth anything else like my jmag and my work also. 3 they create little castles and gang up on me constantly because they have small minds and no self respect nor for others. Ultimately they create these little clicks to further their own agendas which is NOt to the forums benefit nor condusive to a healthy open forum.
I will not get drawn into this which is why I have not commented until now.
Mag it works but half a job only as no adjustability fact, it cannot be set to adapting wind or terrain conditions you need to add or remove magnets by opening the reel and can never fine tune itto get the max performance, Jmag can with the turn of the dial be set to invariable settings, this is what a magged reel is about, not being fixed but adjustable just like you spool tension knob on every reel adjustable.
I helped cuban cigar get started on his request as he may have lost his job, then I told him months later for reasons i will make public to not come to me for help or his reel parts for good reason, this he can confirm as truth.
I HAVE fitted 4 jmags to guys on this forum whom were NOT happy as the fixed mag system did NOT perform as they expected, please guys would you please comment to give impartiality.
THIS SAIS IT ALL.
The jmag mag like all monomags work on a single magnet and absolutely effective this is proven I need not even try to convince you go use google like so many so called experts do.
Doing reels and modding them is my passion and full time income so I dont have the time nor energy to waste on games like is happening here most of the time with this magit crew.
Here is a picture of a reel done by magit a 15/30 SEVEN magnets to tame a spool 7 ones much larger than the SINGLE yes 1 magnet I use to work 110 percent. I wil, mot be drawn into debate as I refuse to sink to the level of these members out to make a quick buck which is NOT to the benefit of this forum and i have spoken to fhe owner of Sealine about this as its not great for us wanting to add value and build relationships.
In a nutshell I love reels and am totally passionate about what I do, I have clients to serve with transparency and high class work which is why people always comment and commend me that have gone elsewhere before, guys here on this theead do reels and cannot handle that this fact so they badmouth me to damage my reputation and the value I always try add here.
This is the reason I am so quiet on sealine because of this politics which I dont have time for as I need to work and serve my clients whom come first.
Check the picture of one reel I serviced now loaded with magnets to the hilt lol. The solution choose the system you think works best, go google casting and world distance casting forums also Goole reel manufacturers and see who uses a fixed mag system no one does for good reason, dont accept my word go and check and not be influenced by biase comments.
I will not respond to any comments further as I dont haven time to waste. Various people have requested I comment on whats been happening here.
If you like my work follow me on facebook Jonathans reel repairs and upgrades.
Jeryl please take note of this thread and all the comments posted.
Im signing off and unwatching this topic. I have reels to finish for this afternoon for the province guys.
