Disgusting league behaviour again!

[vis blik]

I am one of the locals who quietly pick up your mess, find a suitable spot and burn it as it is too much for 5 people to carry let alone 1.
My observation it is only SHARK fishermen.
Most of the guys look after the spot, but this year we have had a few guys, I have no idea who you are or care for that matter, who have left the place a filthy mess.
BEWARE I am now gatvol. I am going to clean the place up and when I see ANYONE shark fishing I am going to photograph you and when you have gone I am going to give the area you fished
a once over. If you have left a mess you WILL be headline news on every forum I can find.

 

[cracker jack.]

The only time I spoke to that group of guys was in the parking lot.I fished with 2 guys in our own spot away from the platform. I just hate the fact that my name was mentioned now I get frowned upon by others not you! It's not cool at all. One should rather ask the question than false accuse.... and yes the guy that brought the yellow line back to the parking lot was Dean but you still mention his name in your post.not cool! I don't even use nylon anymore!

 

[TRIBBES]

Blah blah blah - Rooikrans attitude. "This is my space you are not allowed"

 

[FISH]

As anglers, we are all to blame and are also all responsible for the coast and the areas we fish. This particular spot has huge fishing pressure and is used by loads of anglers each day and the reality is that there are anglers that do leave some rubbish behind and it doesn't take long before you have a pile of rubbish along the whole area.

This coinciding with a league competition it is easy to assume the league anglers are responsible for all the waste left behind. I'm not saying everyone is innocent but we are all watching each other to make sure the areas are left clean.

EP SASAA and SASAA Nationally will discipline any angler found leaving rubbish, line, bait or waste in an area so we as an angling body are always aware that we are under the public eye at all times and need to be more careful than the general public when leaving a spot we have fished. I always try and collect refuse left behind on the spots I have been fishing to avoid being blamed.
When leaving the spot we fished on Saturday I made a point of picking up all the line waste I could find along the way that had been left behind to throw it away. We can all make a difference if we do the same there are bins provided at the parking.

Threads like this can cause a lot of heated debate but it makes us aware of how important it is to keep our coastline clean together we can mess up what we have or take a few minutes after each outing to make sure our area is left the way we would like to find it. 
Dean         

 

[grootvis]

Weather looks good this week. ...lets focus on the real reason we go there in the first place. Hopefully it will be remembered to leave your spot in a fair manner.

 

[cracker jack.]

Yes I do agree with the message of the whole thread but I still don't see why I have to be brought in on it. Anglers that overnight cause the mess. Beer cans and all other rubbish.when I used to stay there for the night I would burn my left overs and what i couldn't burn I would take back. So many ja brus go there these days to try and catch fish and that's the big problem. I just feel that this post was directed at the wrong people!!!

 

[grootvis]

FISH wrote:

As anglers, we are all to blame and are also all responsible for the coast and the areas we fish. This particular spot has huge fishing pressure and is used by loads of anglers each day and the reality is that there are anglers that do leave some rubbish behind and it doesn't take long before you have a pile of rubbish along the whole area.

This coinciding with a league competition it is easy to assume the league anglers are responsible for all the waste left behind. I'm not saying everyone is innocent but we are all watching each other to make sure the areas are left clean.

EP SASAA and SASAA Nationally will discipline any angler found leaving rubbish, line, bait or waste in an area so we as an angling body are always aware that we are under the public eye at all times and need to be more careful than the general public when leaving a spot we have fished. I always try and collect refuse left behind on the spots I have been fishing to avoid being blamed.
When leaving the spot we fished on Saturday I made a point of picking up all the line waste I could find along the way that had been left behind to throw it away. We can all make a difference if we do the same there are bins provided at the parking.

Threads like this can cause a lot of heated debate but it makes us aware of how important it is to keep our coastline clean together we can mess up what we have or take a few minutes after each outing to make sure our area is left the way we would like to find it. 
Dean         

Hi Dean

Thanks for the reply. I go fish the point probably more than anyone these days. You need to understand my frustration when a group of guys, the only group fishing there the whole day comes back as a group and I go there to find the place as such. What does one do. Its a pity that you guys were there together but thats what happens. Like i said, i dont think that you guys would do that but the group should be blamed because that stuff wasnt there the day before. As for the shark left there....i dont know....its terrible. Please also read my original post. I did not say the two of you were to blame but you were there. It only takes you to say unfortunately we did not contribute but accept the other anglers were responsible etc etc...but instead no one acknowledges the facts and supports it...rather they try to get taken away from it...

I do apologise for the guys that do do their bit....
Tight lines....
Cheers
Don.

 

[On Dad]

I would like to put this matter to bed .
I am the Public relations officer of Eastern Province shore Angling Association.
We have a strict Code of Conduct that every member in EPSAA must sign before he/she may participate in any Fixed venue competition. We monitor our anglers on the beach during each outing on how they handle fish , littering etc. and cleaning up after them when we leave. As one of these "beach cops " I can tell you all without any doubt , that our members adhere to these rules , particularly in St Francis where we fish a few meters from the residents` doorsteps!
We do not tolerate any misconduct and any member who transgresses will be brought before a Disciplinary Committee .
If we receive any solid evidence that any member is guilty of misconduct , we will most certainly act against him/her.
Unfortunately we share the same spots as recreational and subsistence anglers who often leave a mess in certain areas.
Most of our anglers will display a number on his shirt or jacket which is allocated to him by SASAA ( South African Shore Angling Association ) and which will identify him if he is guilty of bad behaviour.
If no such number is displayed , then they can also be identified by the colours of their club.
Any member of the public is welcome to contact us if any bad behaviour is spotted , but we need EVIDENCE to bring them to book.
The EPSAA Disciplinary Policy requires us to produce evidence , such as pictures or sworn affidavits , just as the case may be in a criminal court.
With that we can act , without it , we are open to civil litigation .
As mentioned earlier , we are acutely aware that the St Francis residents value their beaches to be left clean and tidy - and we send emails to all clubs before we fish this venue every year to remind them of this fact.
Please guys - send me proof , and I will act as a member of the EPSAA Executive .
Similarly, if you simply guess it was one of our guys leaving a mess, do not publicly name and shame anyone without proof. Even if a group of guys return from a spot that is all messed up , does not mean they were the culprits.
Grootvis , you may PM me and I will gladly chat to you and share some thoughts as to how we at EPSAA can improve the monitoring of our members in your area .

 

[demon]

I agree with Cracker Jack, don't be naming without the bag of evidence....

 

[grootvis]

On Dad wrote:

I would like to put this matter to bed .
I am the Public relations officer of Eastern Province shore Angling Association.
We have a strict Code of Conduct that every member in EPSAA must sign before he/she may participate in any Fixed venue competition. We monitor our anglers on the beach during each outing on how they handle fish , littering etc. and cleaning up after them when we leave. As one of these "beach cops " I can tell you all without any doubt , that our members adhere to these rules , particularly in St Francis where we fish a few meters from the residents` doorsteps!
We do not tolerate any misconduct and any member who transgresses will be brought before a Disciplinary Committee .
If we receive any solid evidence that any member is guilty of misconduct , we will most certainly act against him/her.
Unfortunately we share the same spots as recreational and subsistence anglers who often leave a mess in certain areas.
Most of our anglers will display a number on his shirt or jacket which is allocated to him by SASAA ( South African Shore Angling Association ) and which will identify him if he is guilty of bad behaviour.
If no such number is displayed , then they can also be identified by the colours of their club.
Any member of the public is welcome to contact us if any bad behaviour is spotted , but we need EVIDENCE to bring them to book.
The EPSAA Disciplinary Policy requires us to produce evidence , such as pictures or sworn affidavits , just as the case may be in a criminal court.
With that we can act , without it , we are open to civil litigation .
As mentioned earlier , we are acutely aware that the St Francis residents value their beaches to be left clean and tidy - and we send emails to all clubs before we fish this venue every year to remind them of this fact.
Please guys - send me proof , and I will act as a member of the EPSAA Executive .
Similarly, if you simply guess it was one of our guys leaving a mess, do not publicly name and shame anyone without proof. Even if a group of guys return from a spot that is all messed up , does not mean they were the culprits.
Grootvis , you may PM me and I will gladly chat to you and share some thoughts as to how we at EPSAA can improve the monitoring of our members in your area .

On Dad
Thank you for your reply. Please allow me to point out the facts. It will become clearer.

Since Friday night , Pietman, Jarred and Michael fish the platform and remain at the point. Since Friday night the 3 of them, the league guys and myself fish the point. The platform is littered. A dead shark is left in the rocks. Discarded bait and small fish is evetywhere and all over the platform. Now Pietman says it doesn't belong to them. That leaves the league guys. Or am I wrong. The evidence is there. Posted. Between the 3 guys that fished the platform on Friday night or the group that fished Saturday it was left there. All fresh. So who did it. Not many to choose from. As a genuine question. Do you have a marshal monitoring the comp on site?

On Dad. Weve been through this before last year sometime if you can recall. That time it was the etiquette on the beaches. Its purely coincidental that i happen to be there at these times.

I would have no leg to stand on if I didnt see anyone at the point on friday and saturday. I live less than a minute from the carpark. Im in and out all the time looking st conditions. This time theres not much to pick from.

Its unfair that the innocent ones must be blamed too but thats how it works. Its up to them to address the issue with the guys that have given them a bad name.

I have merely and factually brought this up because no one does.

Surely Dean will know who was fishing in their group. Surely Jarred will know who he wss fishing with.

If Jarred can say it wasnt them who caught the shark and left the mess. Then ill apologise. If Dean or you can say no one in the league caught the hammer and left the bait. Then Ill apologise. Ill leave it then to an unexplained phenomenon.

Did any of the league guys catch the hammer? Or did any league guys fish the platform? That will settle it.

As for the way forward. I know some people in St.Francis that I will approach. My goal. To get two bins at the platform and areas close. Two bins at Kommetjie. Mounted on gum poles. It doesn't help having one in the carpark a kilometer away from the fishing spots. The monitoring and emptying will be discussed and dealt with.

As for dead fish and sharks...who knows.

 

[grootvis]

On Dad wrote:

I would like to put this matter to bed .
I am the Public relations officer of Eastern Province shore Angling Association.
We have a strict Code of Conduct that every member in EPSAA must sign before he/she may participate in any Fixed venue competition. We monitor our anglers on the beach during each outing on how they handle fish , littering etc. and cleaning up after them when we leave. As one of these "beach cops " I can tell you all without any doubt , that our members adhere to these rules , particularly in St Francis where we fish a few meters from the residents` doorsteps!
We do not tolerate any misconduct and any member who transgresses will be brought before a Disciplinary Committee .
If we receive any solid evidence that any member is guilty of misconduct , we will most certainly act against him/her.
Unfortunately we share the same spots as recreational and subsistence anglers who often leave a mess in certain areas.
Most of our anglers will display a number on his shirt or jacket which is allocated to him by SASAA ( South African Shore Angling Association ) and which will identify him if he is guilty of bad behaviour.
If no such number is displayed , then they can also be identified by the colours of their club.
Any member of the public is welcome to contact us if any bad behaviour is spotted , but we need EVIDENCE to bring them to book.
The EPSAA Disciplinary Policy requires us to produce evidence , such as pictures or sworn affidavits , just as the case may be in a criminal court.
With that we can act , without it , we are open to civil litigation .
As mentioned earlier , we are acutely aware that the St Francis residents value their beaches to be left clean and tidy - and we send emails to all clubs before we fish this venue every year to remind them of this fact.
Please guys - send me proof , and I will act as a member of the EPSAA Executive .
Similarly, if you simply guess it was one of our guys leaving a mess, do not publicly name and shame anyone without proof. Even if a group of guys return from a spot that is all messed up , does not mean they were the culprits.
Grootvis , you may PM me and I will gladly chat to you and share some thoughts as to how we at EPSAA can improve the monitoring of our members in your area .

On Dad
Thank you for your reply. Please allow me to point out the facts. It will become clearer.

Since Friday night , Pietman, Jarred and Michael fish the platform and remain at the point. Since Friday night the 3 of them, the league guys and myself fish the point. The platform is littered. A dead shark is left in the rocks. Discarded bait and small fish is evetywhere and all over the platform. Now Pietman says it doesn't belong to them. That leaves the league guys. Or am I wrong. The evidence is there. Posted. Between the 3 guys that fished the platform on Friday night or the group that fished Saturday it was left there. All fresh. So who did it. Not many to choose from. As a genuine question. Do you have a marshal monitoring the comp on site?

On Dad. Weve been through this before last year sometime if you can recall. That time it was the etiquette on the beaches. Its purely coincidental that i happen to be there at these times.

I would have no leg to stand on if I didnt see anyone at the point on friday and saturday. I live less than a minute from the carpark. Im in and out all the time looking st conditions. This time theres not much to pick from.

Its unfair that the innocent ones must be blamed too but thats how it works. Its up to them to address the issue with the guys that have given them a bad name.

I have merely and factually brought this up because no one does.

Surely Dean will know who was fishing in their group. Surely Jarred will know who he wss fishing with.

If Jarred can say it wasnt them who caught the shark and left the mess. Then ill apologise. If Dean or you can say no one in the league caught the hammer and left the bait. Then Ill apologise. Ill leave it then to an unexplained phenomenon.

Did any of the league guys catch the hammer? Or did any league guys fish the platform? That will settle it.

As for the way forward. I know some people in St.Francis that I will approach. My goal. To get two bins at the platform and areas close. Two bins at Kommetjie. Mounted on gum poles. It doesn't help having one in the carpark a kilometer away from the fishing spots. The monitoring and emptying will be discussed and dealt with.

As for dead fish and sharks...who knows.

 

[cracker jack.]

grootvis wrote:

On Dad wrote:

I would like to put this matter to bed .
I am the Public relations officer of Eastern Province shore Angling Association.
We have a strict Code of Conduct that every member in EPSAA must sign before he/she may participate in any Fixed venue competition. We monitor our anglers on the beach during each outing on how they handle fish , littering etc. and cleaning up after them when we leave. As one of these "beach cops " I can tell you all without any doubt , that our members adhere to these rules , particularly in St Francis where we fish a few meters from the residents` doorsteps!
We do not tolerate any misconduct and any member who transgresses will be brought before a Disciplinary Committee .
If we receive any solid evidence that any member is guilty of misconduct , we will most certainly act against him/her.
Unfortunately we share the same spots as recreational and subsistence anglers who often leave a mess in certain areas.
Most of our anglers will display a number on his shirt or jacket which is allocated to him by SASAA ( South African Shore Angling Association ) and which will identify him if he is guilty of bad behaviour.
If no such number is displayed , then they can also be identified by the colours of their club.
Any member of the public is welcome to contact us if any bad behaviour is spotted , but we need EVIDENCE to bring them to book.
The EPSAA Disciplinary Policy requires us to produce evidence , such as pictures or sworn affidavits , just as the case may be in a criminal court.
With that we can act , without it , we are open to civil litigation .
As mentioned earlier , we are acutely aware that the St Francis residents value their beaches to be left clean and tidy - and we send emails to all clubs before we fish this venue every year to remind them of this fact.
Please guys - send me proof , and I will act as a member of the EPSAA Executive .
Similarly, if you simply guess it was one of our guys leaving a mess, do not publicly name and shame anyone without proof. Even if a group of guys return from a spot that is all messed up , does not mean they were the culprits.
Grootvis , you may PM me and I will gladly chat to you and share some thoughts as to how we at EPSAA can improve the monitoring of our members in your area .

On Dad
Thank you for your reply. Please allow me to point out the facts. It will become clearer.

Since Friday night , Pietman, Jarred and Michael fish the platform and remain at the point. Since Friday night the 3 of them, the league guys and myself fish the point. The platform is littered. A dead shark is left in the rocks. Discarded bait and small fish is evetywhere and all over the platform. Now Pietman says it doesn't belong to them. That leaves the league guys. Or am I wrong. The evidence is there. Posted. Between the 3 guys that fished the platform on Friday night or the group that fished Saturday it was left there. All fresh. So who did it. Not many to choose from. As a genuine question. Do you have a marshal monitoring the comp on site?

On Dad. Weve been through this before last year sometime if you can recall. That time it was the etiquette on the beaches. Its purely coincidental that i happen to be there at these times.

I would have no leg to stand on if I didnt see anyone at the point on friday and saturday. I live less than a minute from the carpark. Im in and out all the time looking st conditions. This time theres not much to pick from.

Its unfair that the innocent ones must be blamed too but thats how it works. Its up to them to address the issue with the guys that have given them a bad name.

I have merely and factually brought this up because no one does.

Surely Dean will know who was fishing in their group. Surely Jarred will know who he wss fishing with.

If Jarred can say it wasnt them who caught the shark and left the mess. Then ill apologise. If Dean or you can say no one in the league caught the hammer and left the bait. Then Ill apologise. Ill leave it then to an unexplained phenomenon.

Did any of the league guys catch the hammer? Or did any league guys fish the platform? That will settle it.

As for the way forward. I know some people in St.Francis that I will approach. My goal. To get two bins at the platform and areas close. Two bins at Kommetjie. Mounted on gum poles. It doesn't help having one in the carpark a kilometer away from the fishing spots. The monitoring and emptying will be discussed and dealt with.

As for dead fish and sharks...who knows.

Like I said in an earlier post I didn't fish the platform I fished the wildside and right on the point in the white water where the seals lay on the rocks.I walked past the platform on the day to go back to the car that's all but along the path where there was no mess. I didn't even see that crate. I know some hammers where caught but we're released. Hammerheads have the tendency to damage there eyes on the rocks and end up washing out.if guys fishing league saw this happen they would have tried to release it again. Sometimes fish do unfortunately die. We not out to kill them.we don't even gaff fish anymore. It would be great if they could put bins in those selected areas. There were apparently 2 groups of guys fishing that area that night. 1 group on the platform and 1 at the kommetjie.one guy in our club says it was a mess when he got to the platform in the morning.we don't drink beer when we fish leagues so how does one explain all the beer cans?

 

[grootvis]

Just an update.

On a Facebook group this morning some other pics have been posted outlining the disgusting mess left behind.

It has been forwarded to the right people and one comment is, that part of the reserve has the potential to be closed to fishing if the problem is not dealt with. It also states that it was a league event.

It is a Reserve and they will shut down the fishing in there if it continues.

So best the league organisers arrange better marshalling and clean up procedures to their comps.

Ill be supporting this all the way.

 

[On Dad]

grootvis wrote:

Just an update.

On a Facebook group this morning some other pics have been posted outlining the disgusting mess left behind.

It has been forwarded to the right people and one comment is, that part of the reserve has the potential to be closed to fishing if the problem is not dealt with. It also states that it was a league event.

It is a Reserve and they will shut down the fishing in there if it continues.

So best the league organisers arrange better marshalling and clean up procedures to their comps.

Ill be supporting this all the way.

I have done my own investigation this morning and I am 100% satisfied that our members are not at fault.
Neither Dean Dickinson nor Jarred van Niekerk fished at the Point/Platform on Saturday where the mess was made by someone other than EP anglers.

If anyone has concrete proof to the contrary , then please provide me with such evidence.
In the interim , no one can be found guilty or branded as a culprit by means of some deductive reasoning.

The invitation stands for anyone to contact me to resolve the matter.
Epsaa will be addressing the matter with the local Ratepayers Association in due course so that we can inform them how we manage our members during every competition.

To all Sealiners out there - we are a well managed angling association who love angling like everyone out there .
Not every member is perfect , but at least we have a measure of control to all members who fall under our jurisdiction.

 

[CharlesF]

Grootvis I support you completely.

The bottom line is there was a mess left behind by whomever. I think good etiquette would have been to clean up after yourself even if you were not the culprit. This should apply even more so for club members and league anglers as you are an ambassador to your club.

I always have a bag with me cleaning up after I fished and more often than not also clean someone else's rubbish.

 

[PeterCox]

Regardless of who did it (league or not) this is terrible behavior and should not be tolerated.

Its pretty simple that some people think that rules dont apply to them and thus do what they want. (Please I have no idea who did this) but the fact of the matter is someone did it, someone would have seen it and no one did anything about it.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” ― Edmund Burke

So it something we should be talking about and figuring out how to put in place the correct measure with the right authorities to resolve and hold people to account with these kinds of things.

Such a pity that people can do such things and think its ok or "hey someone else will clean it" sounds like a 10 year olds mind set whos parents have servants to clean after their unruly kids.

 

[PeterCox]

Regardless of who did it (league or not) this is terrible behavior and should not be tolerated.

Its pretty simple that some people think that rules dont apply to them and thus do what they want. (Please I have no idea who did this) but the fact of the matter is someone did it, someone would have seen it and no one did anything about it.

“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” ― Edmund Burke

So it something we should be talking about and figuring out how to put in place the correct measure with the right authorities to resolve and hold people to account with these kinds of things.

Such a pity that people can do such things and think its ok or "hey someone else will clean it" sounds like a 10 year olds mind set whos parents have servants to clean after their unruly kids.

 

[sakn]

I am not a club member but a member of a social angling group.

On the occasions when we did try to get messy anglers to clean up their litter, we were met by either by indifference or aggression.

What we do now is clean up when we arrive and clean up when we leave, regardless of who makes the mess. No blame no comments, no remarks while we are cleaning up.

This education by example has worked for us. Others are now following suit.

 

[grootvis]

Well. Like I said. Another local has seen and complained about the exact same thing and people. So. What now?

Provide the public with what you say and with the measures in place and we will monitor it from there. Its happened and now we must do our best to prevent it from happening again.

You need to convince and show that its un order. Just talking about it will always just be here say.

I'm more than happy to work with you and not against you. Please feel free to discuss anything or solutions.

 

[CharlesF]

CharlesF wrote:

Grootvis I support you completely.

The bottom line is there was a mess left behind by whomever. I think good etiquette would have been to clean up after yourself even if you were not the culprit. This should apply even more so for club members and league anglers as you are an ambassador to your club.

I always have a bag with me cleaning up after I fished and more often than not also clean someone else's rubbish.

Further to my comment. It my not have been clear. Don't get me wrong, I am not directing it to grootvis but all of us in general. The etiquette should be we must clean up even if we are not the culprits.