Dips and specimen carping

Wikkelspies

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I went through Outdoor pages image galleries, and see alot of guys for example using "tigernuts" dipped in tjop-tjop...So just want to here from you guys who here actually uses dips, and who rather believes in doing it the "all" natural way, and for those of you who actually use dips/bait sprays etc. What do you carry with you to a fishing session, do you actually go all out like the conventional guys with 40-50 dips or do you have a selected few that goes with??
 
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Specimen - when I target BFC's om a social level, I wuld use some dips - but only at the start (you know - to get the spot going) but as the session progresses I would reduce to nothing.

Competative Karp (specimen) angling I go all out. I actuially take my Conventional Bank Angling muti box with. I 'll take a pic of my muti box. Only diff is that in stead of floaties in the box I have Tigers, pop-ups, boilies etc. Dips are the same (I have 27 dips, 8 concentrates and 4 sprays)
 

Wikkelspies

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Thanks Jacques, glad to here that some of my convetional goodies will not all go to waste, would apreciate the pic of your muti box, and I know its ALOT to ask, and if you don't want to share your "secrects" i'll understand:)...But would you mind listing your dips/concentrates/sprays, as I have collected a SH!t load of dips(without actually noticing until my last fishing session) over the years, and would want to know which of them to take with.

Thanks a million apreciate it
 

Wikkelspies

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And I noticed your at Koedoe angling club, I was with them(mostly socials only) way back think 1999/2000 for a bit more than a year, anyway 'n stukkie sinnelose nuus, lekker dag
 

momo330

Sealiner
usually when the big boilie companies make a new boilie,they make a matching dip which they call a glug along with pop ups. they are used but i guess not as much in specimen angling. you also get something called a paste which you wrap around your hookbait. the variety of bait in specimen is endless and you are not restricted in anyway. you should never hold back on trying new things. if you think something could work then why not give it a go????
 

pappi choulo

Senior Member
i agree with momo. specimen angling is not about making things as difficult or complicated as possible, it's about giving yourself the best possible chance to catch the biggest fish possible, while ensuring the safety of the fish and it's environment is not jeopardised.

i have used various dips to get the fish going and it can be a great way to start things off in some situations. look, if you were fishing a dam where the biggest fish are consistently caught on "pap"; and boilies produce nothing, are you gonna stick to boilies because you're a "specimen angler", or are you gonna fish with pap?

 
 

Wikkelspies

New member
No ofcourse I'll use the pap,then I can call myself a "Specimen papgooier" techincally speaking:)Hehe but I get what you are saying thanks PC
 

pappi choulo

Senior Member
[color="#006600"]Wikkelspies[/color] wrote:
No ofcourse I'll use the pap,then I can call myself a "Specimen papgooier" techincally speaking:)Hehe but I get what you are saying thanks PC
::Snice one wikkelspies!

i'm glad you get my point, i'm certainly not saying go out gooi some pap! i'm just saying do what you need to do to catch fish, as long as you don't harm anyone or anything (or any fish) in the process.
ultimately when you look at someone's profile on sealine do you look for the label "papgooier", "specimen angler", or whatever or do you look at their best catch?

i rest my case!
ha ha! i'm really getting carried away here!:fbash
 

MadCarper

Sealiner
I think very few big carp anglers use dips as such. I know very few guys that use them... This past weekend, we had a carp clinic and a comp afterwards. We were about 15 guys alltogether all fishing specimen carp style. I didnt see anyone use any dips, I would say the majority used plain particles or boilies (maize, etc). Even the one guy from one of the biggest bait companies in SA, who joined us for the weekend admitted that he doesnt use any flavourings etc with his baits.

Just my take on it...there's no law against using dips, so go for it...;)
 

Gogjop

New member
Wikkelspies. 

After talking to ppl on this site, and my personal experiance, dips can be make or brake situation, but let me explain in detail.

You hear alot and see alot of profesionals that claim this dam is tjop tjop dam or a cina 4 dam.  Rather ask yourself the Q.  Does these carp like a salty flavour or a sweet flavour.  I only use natural bait, with no attractors.  The only thing i will vary on is salt or "sukrose" (sweet).  

If you look at big waters like rietvlei dam or bronkies, i will usually ad sukrose to my boilies i prepare, or for instance the "used to be" roodeplaat dam, will go salty.  but like everyone said, they do no harm and if it gives you a advantage, go for it. 

Like me and Spod talked about in the thread critacally balanced.  We have seen some weird dips on the market.  Im thinking of dips like TCP, Methalated spirits.  I also came across someone using blue soap( I dont know if anyone knows about blue soap, it is soap made from sheep fat, they also come in green).  Use your own discretion when using dips please.
 

Spod

Senior Member
Wikkelspies...

Are you the angler who used "youre the fire" womans deo? lol!
Last year, on the OP site, fresh water angling side, there was a dude who used this and claimed he's catch rate increased.
Man did he get it... even the conventional guys were blitzing him... I had a good chuckle, but its actually very sad!
He went into detail and said that it was made from natural ingredients and was harmless to fish! But I think he forgot about a couple of toxic ingredients, like oil, petrolium, alcohol etc, deadly to aquatic life forms.
By the way a lot of dips use alcohol as a suspender, preservertor.

When I started specimen (last month)...lol! I gave all my conventional stuff away, more than a 100 dips, 12 ball dips,10 bottles of small and large floaties, 12 bottles of flavoured maize, 2rods tackle, stands, reels, landing nets, etc. and have never looked back lol!

I was fortunate enough to have my first specimen session with an experienced guy, (KUSAF actually) and my eyes were opened, I could not believe the fish we caught and with what we caught them with. I was immediately hooked, no more pink and yellow hands LOL!

Since, Ive been with quite a few specimen angles and their styles are all different, the basics are the same,(tackle/carp care) but when it comes to attractors as in dips, they vary.
Some, like me, wont use flavours and dips, then others swear by them, Tjop tjop is a favourite for these guys when using tigernuts..
I feel, Tigernuts have their own unique flavour and if scraped, crushed or sliced in half, fish cant resist them, now why mask that with some man made flavour?

But with all that said, when it comes to boillies, there are glugs that specimen anglers use.
Flavourants are available in concentrates to put into the boillies when making them, (and then minimal amounts too!) I think these are fine, and if you look at them, they all natural, peach, pine apple, strawberry, chocolate, caramel, vanilla, mussels, squid, chilli, peanut etc etc etc, nowhere does metholated spirits (bloutrein) or TCP come into the equation. Hey Ive even heard of conventional anglers using brakefluid of all things...

I was taught long ago, that too much flavour has the opposite effect you desire, you could be repelling fish rather than attracting.. And I think, the bigger fish shy away from these strong flavours. We've even left boillies in the margins to soak and leach flavours out, then fished them. (known as washed out baits)

My theory? the bigger fish have gotten this big through being wary, they may have had some encounter in their earlier years with strong flavours and who knows gotten caught and released? or noticed their fellow fish being taken..lol! The BFC are survivors, they know more than they show.
In Specimen angling, this is the target fish, as Ive said before, the biggest fish in the dam, a true specimen of a carp, the trophy! The catch of a lifetime, thats what its all about. Not how many you catch in a session, but did you get that BFC? Well, that's how i see it anyway.

As MC said, dips are not or very rarely used in the specimen fraternity, where its natural all the way.

These are my views (naturally)but,if you have confidence in what you doing and using, albeit dips etc, just keep it carp safe.
 

Wikkelspies

New member
Spod, no I prefer using the "playboy" deo, works MUCH better...LOL no sorry that wasn't me...Hehe ja I still find it hard to let go of all my conventional goodies..."Hey Ive even heard of conventional anglers using brakefluid " I once ran into two boere oomies claiming they catch on "bruinbrood en black label" I never tried it though haha...And I've read about the washed out baits thing, on a site I think you recommended to someone on one of your posts, quest baits is the name...But thanks for the input spod, Its clear that the using/not using of dips is a personal prefrence, but I now have my second thoughts of using them after reading " the bigger fish have gotten this big through being wary" "The BFC are survivors, they know more than they show."...Makes sense..lol thanks again
 

Wikkelspies

New member
Hey gogjob, when I was still very young my grandad use to fish with blue soap, always thought he was a "bietjie mal", but now that you mention it's made from sheep fat it makes more sense, so apologise to him for thinking he's crazy:)
 
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List of the dips in my bait box:
ALL ROUNDER
ALMOND SURPRISE
BANJO
BG
BLOEKOM
BUNSPICE
CAPATUS 2
CINA 1
DEVILSFORK
DUSK & DAWN
DYNAMITE
EBONY
FIZZER
FRUIT MIX
FX
GATVOL
GOLDEN CARAMEL
HOT HONEY
JOKER
LOOTI
PEACH PERFECTION
PERDEBY
PETITE JANINE
Q35
R2K
RED BANJO
ROOI BLIKSEM
SHOCKER
STUTTAFORDS
SUNGLO
TOASTED NUT
 
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yip,

I'll load a pic later today of the box. You will see that there is no Tjop TJop. I have that in bulk seperate to the box. Oh and Black Magic
 

Wikkelspies

New member
Ja cos I remember buying it there way back, and he told me, you won't find capatus anywhere else...Hehe in bulk you say, I always have an extra supply of F.X handy, thanks again Jaques
 
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