Bennie Jordaan

Mike Smith

Sealiner
Serra Moz wrote:
Guys....can we take a deep breath, relax, chill. I am still trying to digest the original thread 24/7....Fingers are being pointed...lets try and resolve this issue in a civil, proffessional manner - sealine conduct! I am still going thru the original thread 24/7.....I ask those not involved to remain cool, calm and collective, no use we are jumping on the bandwagon and making this worse. Lets, try and avoid a mud slinging contest....I am tired of fights, fought wars for many years... Anyway, I suggest then we sit back, think before we utter a word or type a nasty comment....this goes for all... To the 2 main parties take the debate to PMs....lets try and resolve this matter, the world is filled with hate look at the Middle East.....geez...I have Moslem and Jewish friends....can't we just make an effort at least just here on Sealine to make peace, extent an olive branch and set some white pigeons free....peace! I am not an Induna, I have read the replies, based on that I think to proof beyond reasonable doubt we should look at the Lure Builders from the US, their claim in the stake, UPS and PayPal in determining the fact or fairness... Having said that, we also need to determine the claims regarding UA and Jigstar, I honestly don't know what it is about, I have to read it up and check it....by the way if there's spelling mistakes ect....in MY post keep in mind I am coming of a nights shift....tired, lost a possible Marlin on handline, no jokes or lies ask PSY...

OK....lets hear from the parties involved why this has gotten to this point, chat via PM...and put in on the forum, so that we can clean this up, and move on. By putting on the forum I mean "without dirty laundry" We had enough fights in the last month on Sealine...so lets sort this out.

"Then ofcourse I'm not sure how important you think you are that you "demand" an answer!"

You just don't get it, do you?
 

Tsutsuma

Senior Member
I made a offer of help in Mozambique - Free of Charge abd this Offer was removed with no explibation - many times have I asked why - not DEMANDED - asked - no reply - you have asked Serra Moz - no reply till you posted again in open form and that is the reply from Bennie Jordaan - now - I am ready 100% to respond to all this about US and Jigstar and the rest - I now am told I LURE PEOPLE TO MOZAMBIQUE? What RUBISH US THAT when I offer to help and assit?
 

Mike Smith

Sealiner
Serra Moz wrote:
Guys....can we take a deep breath, relax, chill. I am still trying to digest the original thread 24/7....Fingers are being pointed...lets try and resolve this issue in a civil, proffessional manner - sealine conduct! I am still going thru the original thread 24/7.....I ask those not involved to remain cool, calm and collective, no use we are jumping on the bandwagon and making this worse. Lets, try and avoid a mud slinging contest....I am tired of fights, fought wars for many years... Anyway, I suggest then we sit back, think before we utter a word or type a nasty comment....this goes for all... To the 2 main parties take the debate to PMs....lets try and resolve this matter, the world is filled with hate look at the Middle East.....geez...I have Moslem and Jewish friends....can't we just make an effort at least just here on Sealine to make peace, extent an olive branch and set some white pigeons free....peace! I am not an Induna, I have read the replies, based on that I think to proof beyond reasonable doubt we should look at the Lure Builders from the US, their claim in the stake, UPS and PayPal in determining the fact or fairness... Having said that, we also need to determine the claims regarding UA and Jigstar, I honestly don't know what it is about, I have to read it up and check it....by the way if there's spelling mistakes ect....in MY post keep in mind I am coming of a nights shift....tired, lost a possible Marlin on handline, no jokes or lies ask PSY...

OK....lets hear from the parties involved why this has gotten to this point, chat via PM...and put in on the forum, so that we can clean this up, and move on. By putting on the forum I mean "without dirty laundry" We had enough fights in the last month on Sealine...so lets sort this out.

I am with you on this one Serra! Admin should have these two sort it out via PM and then post the outcome after conclusion has been reached. Mudslinging and he said, she said is going nowhere!
 

Marthin

Sealiner
Tsatsuma i dont know you at all....

But you've been banned from UA,
You've been banned from another forum,

Not looking good for you purely based on the circumstantial evidence.

But keeping a budgie eye on this one.....
 

Mike Smith

Sealiner
Marthin wrote:
Tsatsuma i dont know you at all....

But you've been banned from UA,
You've been banned from another forum,

Not looking good for you purely based on the circumstantial evidence.

But keeping a budgie eye on this one.....

Like Disss Ja!
 

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Tsutsuma

Senior Member
Where is the Proof I have been banned -
can you produce that here for all to see.
The UA saga is a saga I am glad to reveal and have much to add as proof -

So get the facts and do not just repeat what Bennie Jordaan claims Falsely
 

Serra Moz

Sealiner
Mike Smith wrote:
Serra Moz wrote:
Guys....can we take a deep breath, relax, chill. I am still trying to digest the original thread 24/7....Fingers are being pointed...lets try and resolve this issue in a civil, proffessional manner - sealine conduct! I am still going thru the original thread 24/7.....I ask those not involved to remain cool, calm and collective, no use we are jumping on the bandwagon and making this worse. Lets, try and avoid a mud slinging contest....I am tired of fights, fought wars for many years... Anyway, I suggest then we sit back, think before we utter a word or type a nasty comment....this goes for all... To the 2 main parties take the debate to PMs....lets try and resolve this matter, the world is filled with hate look at the Middle East.....geez...I have Moslem and Jewish friends....can't we just make an effort at least just here on Sealine to make peace, extent an olive branch and set some white pigeons free....peace! I am not an Induna, I have read the replies, based on that I think to proof beyond reasonable doubt we should look at the Lure Builders from the US, their claim in the stake, UPS and PayPal in determining the fact or fairness... Having said that, we also need to determine the claims regarding UA and Jigstar, I honestly don't know what it is about, I have to read it up and check it....by the way if there's spelling mistakes ect....in MY post keep in mind I am coming of a nights shift....tired, lost a possible Marlin on handline, no jokes or lies ask PSY...

OK....lets hear from the parties involved why this has gotten to this point, chat via PM...and put in on the forum, so that we can clean this up, and move on. By putting on the forum I mean "without dirty laundry" We had enough fights in the last month on Sealine...so lets sort this out.

"Then ofcourse I'm not sure how important you think you are that you "demand" an answer!"

You just don't get it, do you?

Where are u falling from? I am trying to keep the peace, who are you anyway? If you have no constructive input....enjoy the pop corn...cheers for now :fbash
 

BigBen

Sealiner
Tsutsuma wrote:
Where is the Proof I have been banned -
can you produce that here for all to see.
The UA saga is a saga I am glad to reveal and have much to add as proof -

So get the facts and do not just repeat what Bennie Jordaan claims Falsely

Jilaaik you putting urself out there like you got something nê.

Why don't you just post and say on sites bla bla bla here's my proff of membership..

HELP URSELF..
 

Tsutsuma

Senior Member
Very interesting enough is that if I come with this INTERNATIONAL BANNING HISTORY -
why have I not been banned here on SEALINE??
If I am this LIER and CROOK and lure people to Mozambique as Bennie Jordaan claims - FOR WHAT REASON I DO NOT KNOW -
why am I not banned here??

Every claim Bennie Jordaan will present -
he knows very well what my answers and proof will be because this happened on Ultimate Angling -
I am ready to respond and defend my person with no problem what so ever -

Sad is that my offer to assist South African Visitors to Mozambique is not looked at in the manner it is meant to be -
just that -
nothing more and nothing less
 

Hooked

Senior Member
Marthin wrote:
Tsatsuma i dont know you at all....

But you've been banned from UA,
You've been banned from another forum,

Not looking good for you purely based on the circumstantial evidence.

But keeping a budgie eye on this one.....
Hey Marthin Im going cracker fishing next weekend , can u hook me up with some bait ?
 

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Fin-S

Sealiner
Not sure how many people have followed the story from day one (and it is a couple of years ago), when Carlos first participated in an angling forum that I also frequented.
The more participation that took place, the more questionable some activities seemed to be. These came to a head and Tsutsuma left the site. This was repeated on another site.
Having met some anglers and suppliers, both locally and internationally, I have heard their side of the story.
It surprises me how 4 different sources come up with a similar story. I trust those sources.
As a result, I will side with Bennie here. Be cautious.
Big Ben, I don't think the moderation has gotten out of hand - if members abided by rules and thought before typing, then moderation would not be required.
Anyway, better things to do now.
 

Tsutsuma

Senior Member
NO - I have not -
did I not ask the proof here from the Security Police Man??

If I was banned and a Moderator knew about the Ban and MISCONDUCT on my part = Why am I still here writing to you??

I have done nothing wrong - and there is NO PROOF of that.

I have not de-frauded any person or stole money under false pretences
from any person -
look at the SEALINE HOME PAGE and see the proof how I was premeditatedly defrauded and PAYPAL investigated and pay all my money back from a person that claimed I was the bad guy -

Like a now repeat again - it is easy to talk and claim stuff - I did not - I post so many pages of proof and that I will do against and to any person that tries to Slander me.
 

Stormycape

Senior Member
Then we are making progess in resolving this very public spat. My advice, however, is to deal with this matter privately and discreetly.
 

Stapies

Sealiner
Send this around to everyone and then everyone has taken a cchhiilllpiiilllcchhiilllpiiilllcchhiilllpiiilll And then sort it out privately?
 

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Tsutsuma

Senior Member
That is EXACTLY what I did -
I asked in PMs why my Offer has been removed -
no reply at all for 2 weeks -
repeated PMs have had no Joy -
so what started all this is that a Mozambican Friend Serra Moz ask for respect and a reply -
Bennie Jordaan responded as if it was such a problem to do that - and then with False claims against me with no Proof as I have openly and freely provided.

So a Moderator - that is here to Guide and Assist can just Slander??
Is that correct once again??
 

Serra Moz

Sealiner
Stormycape wrote:
Then we are making progess in resolving this very public spat. My advice, however, is to deal with this matter privately and discreetly.

You should aim before you pull the trigger, that's exactly what I said, but you are too quick to draw and shoot....read thru the whole post, you'll note, that's what I suggested...but then your bunch started dishing out without reading the whole post....you appear very inmature....time to grow up!

The same goes for Mr. Smith, I see he followed my advice and is enjoy he's peanuts or pop corn now....

StormyCape I noted your input is rather lean, no topics!, so I assume all your replies are in the negative? Well, conflict like in this case attracts narrow minded fools like you. I happen to know both parties slandered in this thread, for the very reason I suggested they make it private to avoid roofkykers like you commenting....yay or nay???? Nay for you....Get back to work....
 
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