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jaccil

Senior Member
[color="#006600"]flippy[/color] wrote:
its a daiwa supercast,probably a sts 13 rough ground,dude you ever try the tnxs 142m
Almost!  It's the Daiwa Supercast STS13PM (power multiplier).  It's a great rod for edibles and really really nice to cast with.  Light but more powerful than the tip would let you believe.

I actually bought the rod for my dad a couple years ago because he has a really bad back and fishes with older, heavier rods.  Unfortunately he did not really like the idea of coasters.  I love the rod.  I guess I'll have to get him something else...  Check the Union Jack I'm carrying around lol!

Matched with an SL30, I dare anyone to speak against Daiwa until they've tried this setup!  I do like Shimano too - most of my spinning gear is Shimano.
 

jaccil

Senior Member
[color="#006600"]Blackpylie[/color] wrote:
You probably mean the banks should not kick up too much sand!

 

This is a great post!!

It would be nice if someone could tell me where to target them a bit closer, for instance in Betties bay, Ive tried for it in hangklip with wonderworm and white crab,

Ive seen many come out there, every time i try i always end up with something at my line feeling like a sucking action, with no mvement on my rod, i usually try and strike at that time, do you have any advice for me if i experience a sucking at the bait without a proper take again, people have told me that its steenbras how do you tell
Pylie, you should update your location!  The area between Kleinmond and Hawston is a good spot but it can be hard work to find them.  From what I have seen things go quiet if the water temp drops quickly.  There currents and surf in this area keeps the bait moving (and often the sinker too) so the takes are not usually sly.

Uncle Bob sort of answered your last question already:

[color="#006600"]Uncle Bob[/color] wrote:
the other thing with the strike and playing a steenie is that sometimes he just picks you up and runs hence the name steamtrain but othertimes he just fiddles and fiddles and this can feel like nibblers to some but once you get to know these fish a bit better you can feel that these little pulls are not small bites but you can feel there is substance behind they short little pulls. when he starts doing this I normally give him as much free line as possible so he can hardly feel anything, then wait for him or his greedy buddy to pick up the slack and move off.
If you fish with circle hooks or wide gape hooks, you don't need to strike.  Wait for the fish to move off with the bait before tightening your line.  The hook should set itself.  Make sure it's sharp though!  Diachii 3111's 4/0 to 6/0 work great.
 

riekert

Senior Member
My experience is that it is really difficult to beat bloodworm as best bait for bigger steenies in the False Bay - Arniston area. Although baits like chokka certainly produce good results, bloodworm is the consistent number one bait for me in this area. It is quite resilient to peckers and also aerodynamic, allowing very long casts, which is most often than not required to reach the areas where the bigger specimens feed.

The bigger fish certainly prefer the outer sand banks and casting onto them or if the spot allows it, just behind them, is the best area to target the bigger specimens. By following this approach with fresh bloodworm my average steenie taken on these back sand banks weighs in at around 8kg consisting of fish in the 4 - 17kg class. It is very important that the waves do not dump on the sand banks. A nice rolling wave action is what you want.

Because the bigger fish really likes the outer sand banks, I have always preferred to fish for them with the dropping tide. As the tide drops and the water gets shallower, the waves start to work on these sand banks and this is when steenies like to feed in these areas. I am a firm believer of early mornings being the best time of day for steenies and have probably caught 90% of fish during the period 05h00 – 08h00. With a high tide at about  02h00 - 03h00 at night, this means you will be fishing a dropping tide with the waves starting to brake on the outer banks at about 05h00 – 06h00. Perfect conditions for steenies!

Because of the different coastline orientation at the various spots along the False Bay – Arniston area it is impossible to say which wind direction is the best. Consequently, each spot has its own set of ideal conditions. For example, Struisbaai-Plaat really produces big steenies after a couple of days of South Easterly wind when the wind turns North-West. Very soon after the wind turns, the Plaat comes alive. It is so sudden, that I like to call it the SE – NW “switch”, because the steenies suddenly starts to bite, nearly like switching a light on! On the other hand, just 25 km’s towards the west at Brandfontein, things are completely different. Here a change in wind direction from onshore (west – south west wind) to an Easterly direction really switch the steenies on. So, within a 25 km stretch of coast, completely different winds have a profound effect on the feeding pattern of these fish.

Cold water is a problem, especially in the stretch of coast between Kleinmond – Cape Aghulas. This is mostly caused by SE – E winds if it blows for too long. Therefore at Brandfontein (for example) the Easterly wind really produces big steenies on the first day, and maybe the second day as well, but then the water temperature drops dramatically, making conditions very poor. What is then needed are a couple of days of North-westerly wind to warm up the water again. Good steenie fishing therefore depends heavily on quite frequent passage of cold fronts.

I agree with Uncle Bob that it is far better to use cone sinkers than grapnels for steenies. I also agree that the hook trace must be long. My hook traces are up to 1 m in length. Also, keep the terminal tackle as light as possible. I use very small power swiwels and a hook trace never exceeding 0.45 mm, but preferably 0.40 mm. I try not to use leaders in excess of 0.60 mm connected to my main line (0.40 mm). Don’t play around with small hooks if you want consistent success with the bigger fish. I mostly use very sharp 4/0 hooks with bloodworm baits up to 20 cm long extending up the hook trace.

Some interesting observations that I have made over the years about white steenbras caught at Struisbaai/Brandfontein:

 

a)    Their guts are often packed full of brown mussels shells, showing that they are prolific reef feeders, besides sand burrowing for worms, prawns etc. This is especially true following winters that had big storms. These storms apparently open deeper reefs on Struisbaai-Plaat where they love to feed on brown mussels. I have lost many big fish on these reefs, but also believe that these reefs, if they are washed open, makes for very good steenie years.

b)    You clearly get two body shape types of steenies and their fighting patterns are different. You get a longer, more slender shape of fish that really takes a lot of line very quickly during its first run. It then remains deep and will follow the first run up with another couple of shorter runs. In the shallows, however, it provides little resistance because it probably expended all its energy in the deep. The second type of fish is more stocky and shorter. It does not make long runs at the back, but gives you all hell close to shore in water as shallow as knee-deep. It is these fish that are very easy to lose in the last small breaker at your feet. In 2003 I caught a 17kg specimen of the latter type at Struisbaai-Plaat. After hooking it, it took me only 10 min on light tackle to get it to within 25 m of me, but then it simply turned around and stripped over 100 m of line of my reel. In the end it took me 45 min to land the fish!

c)    On rare occasions they will simply not touch bloodworm, but take salted moonshine worm freely. When possible, I make sure I have both types of worms in my bait box.

d)    They can swim long distances in a very short time. I once caught a tagged steenie that swam from Stilbaai to Struisbaai in 3 days!

e)    If you think White Musselcracker (brusher) is a dirty player among reefs, then you have not yet hooked into huge steenies with reefs in the vicinity. They just know exactly where these reefs are and swim straight for them. I have hooked many huge fish on apparently “pure” sandy beaches, just to lose the fish in the deep on some invincible reef. So far, this has stood between me and my biggest dream, to catch a steenie above 20 kg. And don’t think switching to heavier tackle will solve the problem; they just don’t take the bait when presented on heavier tackle – a very clever fish indeed!   

 

 

 
 

Uncle Bob

Senior Member
Thanx Riekert, awesome info. Interesting about the black mussels, we have the same this side and when we find small clumps comming out on your line, you know you are in the right spot.
 

Blackpylie

Senior Member
That is definitely the best post ive ever seen on any website, magazine and will definitely make use of your knowledge, thanks Riekert for sharing, 

 

do you know how wonder worm performs as bait for steenies, as i only have acces to that type of polychaete, and should the water be preferably clean, light gingerbeer, or doesnt it really matter during the day time

 

Thanks so much::S:wfish

 

Ethan!!  
 

riekert

Senior Member
[color=#006600]Blackpylie[/color] wrote:
That is definitely the best post ive ever seen on any website, magazine and will definitely make use of your knowledge, thanks Riekert for sharing, 

 

do you know how wonder worm performs as bait for steenies, as i only have acces to that type of polychaete, and should the water be preferably clean, light gingerbeer, or doesnt it really matter during the day time

 

Thanks so much::S:wfish

 

Ethan!!  

Hi Ethan

Wonder worm is an absolutely deadly bait BUT its big downfall is that especially galjoen and belman, but also younger steenies, cannot leave it alone! If you fish an area like Brandfontein it is going to be really difficult to keep it long enough in the water for a big steenie to turn up, unless you throw it virtually in front of its nose. Wonder worm is the pudding of the sea, but not a very good bait for trophy size steenies (I am not implying that big steenies have not yet been caught on it). All that I am saying is that bloodworm is far superior in terms of its consistently delivering big steenies.

I have caught them in virtually any water colour, but for regular success the water for steenbras should be lively with constant foam and quite clean, certainly not too sandy or gingerbeer in colour. They do enter light sandy patches of water, but not those heavy patches caused by big dumping waves. A sort of milky colour (also called "Omo water") that you sometimes get is also very good.
 

jaccil

Senior Member
[color="#006600"]NetSoGroot[/color] wrote:
Jaccil - What on earth is that you are doing. That rig reminds me of the papgooiers doing their thing in the dams.
Haha, papgooi nee dankie!

I used a DVice on my recent trip to SA.  This allows for superior casts with a streamlined sinker/bait and perfect presentation of a fragile bait like sand prawns.  The bait is placed in the tube and ejected as water rushes through vents in the DVice upon impact with water.  This means the bait is presented exactly the way you put it on the hook.  Bait presentation is not affected by the cast (ever see bits of prawn/sard flying when you cast) or impact with the water.

It was discussed in Excellent Casting Rig for Kob or Steenbras!!!



Above is the original version, ideal for bigger baits.  For prawns I used the stubby DVice - a shorter version better suited for smaller baits.
 

NetSoGroot

New member
HMMM!

Some new technology. U aware of availaility in SA - Cape Town? Some of the tech freaks should wanna have a try at that.

Tx
 

jaccil

Senior Member
Not currently available in SA although orders on their website can be shipped to SA.  Distribution to SA is in the pipeline.

I am coming down on the 18th of April, will spend a few days in Somerset West before heading to Stilbaai.  If there is interest, I can bring a bunch along.  I have half a dozen waiting in Somerset West already.
 

Mouldz

Sealiner
jaccil wrote:
Good spot:

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Good rig:

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Good result:
Please explain the bait thingy you got going with your sinker ,that looks interesting ,never seen that before

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Good times:

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hjfr

Senior Member
Hi jaccil, could you please explain the rig you have.What is the plastic around the bait?Maybe a stupid question, but I've never seen something like that before.Thanks in advance.
 
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