Why is heavens name does a drug trafficker who has
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WalkersKiller
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Look guys i love the ESA show and lok forward to them every week! I used to be an ESA member and i read the mag every month, i think its the best fishing show in the country and the best show ive ever seen (Including the shows on ESPN) but i do strongly disagree with having Glenn Aglioti on the show especially since he had no idea how to fish... This will not discourage me from watching esa and buying their merchandise, they do a great job but i feel it was a really bad idea to have a criminal like that on the show!
The fact that ESA associates itself with the likes of the "drug world" (on TV nogal) has resulted in (may I call it) arguments between the good members of this forum. What a waste of time and effort, but what do you expect when rubbing shoulders with these people?
Nice going ESA
Nice going ESA
FREE THE FIGHTER
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Simen wrote:
If my business errs everyone feels the heat not just me - they also share in the glory. That how good teams operate in my view. Just as Mike says.
No arguments yet from anyone on ESA side or "conservationists" - ( we are mostly very passionate about conservation) - to justify in any way what was a huge error on ESA's part. Period. Just apologise to your valued viewers ESA and move on with a little more tact and consideration to people who's lives have been ruined by narcotics let alone the general public - dont try defend the indeffensible.
Its all been said - except.....just buy Shimano not Daiwa. Thats where the real talking is done and watching the Inside Angling shows - superb by the way - clearly Shimano are rubbing their hands in glee.
If my business errs everyone feels the heat not just me - they also share in the glory. That how good teams operate in my view. Just as Mike says.
No arguments yet from anyone on ESA side or "conservationists" - ( we are mostly very passionate about conservation) - to justify in any way what was a huge error on ESA's part. Period. Just apologise to your valued viewers ESA and move on with a little more tact and consideration to people who's lives have been ruined by narcotics let alone the general public - dont try defend the indeffensible.
Its all been said - except.....just buy Shimano not Daiwa. Thats where the real talking is done and watching the Inside Angling shows - superb by the way - clearly Shimano are rubbing their hands in glee.
Simen wrote:
I believe the purpose of forums(like Sealine) is to discuss and freely express opinions??? Granted there has been alot of strongly negative criticism but ESA management should use this as a guage to what the viewers of the show think. It should be seen as an opportunity to improve.
Man I remember when they featured the late Erwin Shrouder. What a masterpiece of work. He was such an educated person that really imparted knowledge. Once again i go back to the company's core values/mission. That show was additionally complimented with his article in the mag which was great.
I believe the purpose of forums(like Sealine) is to discuss and freely express opinions??? Granted there has been alot of strongly negative criticism but ESA management should use this as a guage to what the viewers of the show think. It should be seen as an opportunity to improve.
Man I remember when they featured the late Erwin Shrouder. What a masterpiece of work. He was such an educated person that really imparted knowledge. Once again i go back to the company's core values/mission. That show was additionally complimented with his article in the mag which was great.
MikeF wrote:
Simen, where I must pay to participate in a forum and share my ideas, knowledge and thoughts?? Sorry, but no. If they want to "associate" with Sealine, they should do so rain and shine.
OJ, I honestly feel for you, and I am glad I don;t have to deal with this particular sh1t storm. The problem is that your CEO made a really bad move. Period. No sorry, he made a kak decision. I happen to know of quite a few celebrity residents at PecanWood that would have made much better ambassadors. The entire message that they supposedly wanted to convey has been lost because of a serious lack of judgement. Lets not forget that Agliotti is a convicted drug smuggler, not alledged.
As far as the bikini girls are concerned, I am not offended by it at all, but if you want my wife to come fishing with me more often, and get her into fishing, don't put girls on the show, but rather good looking hunks without shirts.. I mean honestly if those girls wore t-shirts there would have been no issue and then it would look like a serious attempt to get women involved. Please show me one woman that fishes in a bikini.
I too know a stunt when I see one.
ESA should honestly not insult our intelligence, as I have fished with quite a few people on this forum and only half of them were morons
Spot on Mike
Simen, where I must pay to participate in a forum and share my ideas, knowledge and thoughts?? Sorry, but no. If they want to "associate" with Sealine, they should do so rain and shine.
OJ, I honestly feel for you, and I am glad I don;t have to deal with this particular sh1t storm. The problem is that your CEO made a really bad move. Period. No sorry, he made a kak decision. I happen to know of quite a few celebrity residents at PecanWood that would have made much better ambassadors. The entire message that they supposedly wanted to convey has been lost because of a serious lack of judgement. Lets not forget that Agliotti is a convicted drug smuggler, not alledged.
As far as the bikini girls are concerned, I am not offended by it at all, but if you want my wife to come fishing with me more often, and get her into fishing, don't put girls on the show, but rather good looking hunks without shirts.. I mean honestly if those girls wore t-shirts there would have been no issue and then it would look like a serious attempt to get women involved. Please show me one woman that fishes in a bikini.
I too know a stunt when I see one.
ESA should honestly not insult our intelligence, as I have fished with quite a few people on this forum and only half of them were morons
Good morning Sealiners (so early its still quite dark here)...
All I can do is apologise to you guys, I have tried to field as many of your comments as possible but need to catch up with other work.
As mentioned previously I can only show others at ESA what has been written on these forums.
Have a great week,
OJ
All I can do is apologise to you guys, I have tried to field as many of your comments as possible but need to catch up with other work.
As mentioned previously I can only show others at ESA what has been written on these forums.
Have a great week,
OJ
@ Oj,good morning!
From my side I just want to thank you for trying to explain and doing your best to get the message accross to the ESA bosses.But seriously i think you've done enough,you didn't make the error so you don't need to apologize about anything.ESA will be a well oiled machine if they had more employees like you,I really get the impression that you have a real passion for what you do.Big ups for that:first
P.S can I fish on the show?,lol.Please don't pack your bikini away,no matter what anyone says.
can't wait for tonight's episode.
Have a great day!
From my side I just want to thank you for trying to explain and doing your best to get the message accross to the ESA bosses.But seriously i think you've done enough,you didn't make the error so you don't need to apologize about anything.ESA will be a well oiled machine if they had more employees like you,I really get the impression that you have a real passion for what you do.Big ups for that:first
P.S can I fish on the show?,lol.Please don't pack your bikini away,no matter what anyone says.
can't wait for tonight's episode.
Have a great day!
hey guys and girls, ive followed this thread up to now. I actually am lost for words and really have no idea how to respond to all the negative stuff. One thing that nobody can take away from ESA is our commitment to conservation, education and entertainment around angling. ESA has definately had a huge part to play in changing angling to what before was seen as a blood sport to an actual sport. i myself am very proud of the fact that we have achieved this and really dont enjoy seeing so many negative comments even though i can see the pasion guys have for their opinions and in certain cases must agree. I ask you to cut us a little slack and keep supporting ESA, i know Mark,Craig and myself are extremely passionate and really do strive on the saltwater side of things to really entertain and do our best to innovate around a sport that has seen so much growth in the last 4 years, in fact all of us here at ESA do our best to keep you the viewing public happy.Watch tonights show as im sure most of you do, sit back and take as much good out of it, before you think of anything negative. whether using Mr Aglioti was a good or bad thing i cant comment. but please look at the positive before you get too caught up in the negative.
Hi Raymond
Im more of a bass fisherman then anything else, but when I say I dont enjoy the bass side of the show,( and if it chances I certaily will go back ) I always watch you saltwater guys. Your show is thoroughly entertaining. Staying in EL affords me the privilege of having the best of both worlds and I grab it with both hands.
I applaud you guys for how much you have done towards conservation and I believe that everyone on this site will agree with me on this.
I dont know whats been happening on the bass side of thing, but I'm sure it will get better. Its easy for us to get so caught up with everything, but its mostly passion driven as you said and you know how much of that us SA guys have.
Maybe there is room for a little bit of forgiveness form our side. Im sure a valuable lesson was learned from this and more careful consideration will be taken going forward.
Best of luck to you guys.
Im more of a bass fisherman then anything else, but when I say I dont enjoy the bass side of the show,( and if it chances I certaily will go back ) I always watch you saltwater guys. Your show is thoroughly entertaining. Staying in EL affords me the privilege of having the best of both worlds and I grab it with both hands.
I applaud you guys for how much you have done towards conservation and I believe that everyone on this site will agree with me on this.
I dont know whats been happening on the bass side of thing, but I'm sure it will get better. Its easy for us to get so caught up with everything, but its mostly passion driven as you said and you know how much of that us SA guys have.
Maybe there is room for a little bit of forgiveness form our side. Im sure a valuable lesson was learned from this and more careful consideration will be taken going forward.
Best of luck to you guys.
Richard Ohagan
Senior Member
Thanks Ray, You salt water guys ROCK.
Raymond wrote:
Hi Raymond and OJ and the rest of the presenters,
You guys do an excellent job and have really furthered the causes of angling and water conservation in South Africa. It's something we all agree on. Any criticisms aren't aimed at you or your shows in general, we are just extremely disappointed by this decision made by the guy that sits at the pinnacle of the pyramid. We understand that it was not a decision you guys could have had any say in. I actually sympathise with the fact that you guys have been thrown into a nasty situation due to no fault of your own.
Possibly something that the big guy at the top needs to keep in mind is that most of us fish to get away from "the world" and all the political and social bullshit that goes on in it. Having a guy like Agliotti on really does feel like an unwelcome intrusion into our leisure time. Using ESA as a PR platform to repair the reputation of a guy like Agliotti and link him to a worthwhile cause like conservation seems extremely cynical and out of place.
Anyway, keep fishing and keep catching.
Hi Raymond and OJ and the rest of the presenters,
You guys do an excellent job and have really furthered the causes of angling and water conservation in South Africa. It's something we all agree on. Any criticisms aren't aimed at you or your shows in general, we are just extremely disappointed by this decision made by the guy that sits at the pinnacle of the pyramid. We understand that it was not a decision you guys could have had any say in. I actually sympathise with the fact that you guys have been thrown into a nasty situation due to no fault of your own.
Possibly something that the big guy at the top needs to keep in mind is that most of us fish to get away from "the world" and all the political and social bullshit that goes on in it. Having a guy like Agliotti on really does feel like an unwelcome intrusion into our leisure time. Using ESA as a PR platform to repair the reputation of a guy like Agliotti and link him to a worthwhile cause like conservation seems extremely cynical and out of place.
Anyway, keep fishing and keep catching.