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madporra wrote:
So what have you done to clean up the dams / water and to make the public more aware?
All these critics who have big mouths about ESA - what are you doing to reduce pollution and to make the public aware of the issues.
To air a program on DSTV costs money - ESA are at least trying to make the public aware of the issues - and they have to justify to their sponsors why the air time is being used for this and not for promoting their products.
I actually dont care if they used Noddy to point the facts out - respect to ESA for making the public more aware and for promoting conservation!
So what have you done to clean up the dams / water and to make the public more aware?
All these critics who have big mouths about ESA - what are you doing to reduce pollution and to make the public aware of the issues.
To air a program on DSTV costs money - ESA are at least trying to make the public aware of the issues - and they have to justify to their sponsors why the air time is being used for this and not for promoting their products.
I actually dont care if they used Noddy to point the facts out - respect to ESA for making the public more aware and for promoting conservation!
Misguide
Just a few pointers, to air a show on DSTV cost money to produce initially BUT you get paid for the show so there is a return on investment!
To ask anglers what they do for conservation? Well any angler worth his salt will tell you that conservation is a lifestyle and through your lifestyle you advocate conservation in a small way. To get into the public eye well not all of us make a living producing TV shows! I have no issue with the conservation message that went out we need to do all we can, BUT who are we conserving for if we kill our kids with drugs? In my book saving a kid from using drugs is as important as protecting our National resources, if it is MY kid it is more important!
Noddy would have been a better idea!
Just a few pointers, to air a show on DSTV cost money to produce initially BUT you get paid for the show so there is a return on investment!
To ask anglers what they do for conservation? Well any angler worth his salt will tell you that conservation is a lifestyle and through your lifestyle you advocate conservation in a small way. To get into the public eye well not all of us make a living producing TV shows! I have no issue with the conservation message that went out we need to do all we can, BUT who are we conserving for if we kill our kids with drugs? In my book saving a kid from using drugs is as important as protecting our National resources, if it is MY kid it is more important!
Noddy would have been a better idea!
misguide, not sure why you are defending them like this (and pls don't question what I have done for conservation if you don't even know me!). This thread is not about me, or joe soap, and what we have done about conservation. The mere fact that ESA has tried to promote this is great - it's the choice of guest they used that has infuriated the masses.
They made their bed, they must lie in it.
They made their bed, they must lie in it.
Marthin
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I'm very sorry. OJ, the "excuse" used above by ESA is probably the worst i've ever seen.
No 1. You guys are obviously selling a brand/product. If the kind of guest anglers you want to associate yourself with as a brand is this kind of lowlife scum of the earth, i'm sorry but that speaks volumes about the brand.
No 2. The show itself has definately got the best of intentions with what they aired. Nobody disputes that. But as your CEO claims it was his decision to put this man on the show, this again speaks volumes about the CEO's decision making skills, where he is heading with the brand... By the way how does one contact Mr Agliotti... has Mr Costa got him on speed dial?? These are the kinds of questions an incident like this sprouts.
Take it further... for a long time there has been rumours all over the place about ESA, financial troubles, unhappiness etc. Then you have SA's own Don on the TV. I beg your CEO's pardon, you don't have to discuss Agliotti's situation on the show.... that you invite him onto your show is evidence enough that you support the chap.
I for one won't invite scum like that on one of my meagre fishing trips... not even if it's to show the plight of all the fish in the sea.
A chance to actually hit home on a very important issue has been blown here by what can only be described as gross negligence on behalf of the CEO of ESA.
No 1. You guys are obviously selling a brand/product. If the kind of guest anglers you want to associate yourself with as a brand is this kind of lowlife scum of the earth, i'm sorry but that speaks volumes about the brand.
No 2. The show itself has definately got the best of intentions with what they aired. Nobody disputes that. But as your CEO claims it was his decision to put this man on the show, this again speaks volumes about the CEO's decision making skills, where he is heading with the brand... By the way how does one contact Mr Agliotti... has Mr Costa got him on speed dial?? These are the kinds of questions an incident like this sprouts.
Take it further... for a long time there has been rumours all over the place about ESA, financial troubles, unhappiness etc. Then you have SA's own Don on the TV. I beg your CEO's pardon, you don't have to discuss Agliotti's situation on the show.... that you invite him onto your show is evidence enough that you support the chap.
I for one won't invite scum like that on one of my meagre fishing trips... not even if it's to show the plight of all the fish in the sea.
A chance to actually hit home on a very important issue has been blown here by what can only be described as gross negligence on behalf of the CEO of ESA.
I would suggest that you look into the airing of programs situation - I happen to be friends with Hennie Papenfuss and he has explained to me how the airing of shows works - according to him you have to pay for the show to be aired - the money made is in the form of advertisers (sponsors).
The fact that you and other people have a problem with Agliotti is your problem - we are not the law, judicial system nor the Lord to judge any man. If you dont like what you see on ESA then give constructive feedback to ESA - destructive criticism is useless to everyone.
The fact that you and other people have a problem with Agliotti is your problem - we are not the law, judicial system nor the Lord to judge any man. If you dont like what you see on ESA then give constructive feedback to ESA - destructive criticism is useless to everyone.
If the sole reason of the show was to highlight the state of some SA dams, surely a more effective way could have been brought forward.
With the guys at ESA bringing in Glenn Agliotti, they ended up causing such a stir, that everybody missed the purpose of this show completely. All they managed to highlight was that they dont mind associating with a lesser ethical individual.
I didn't watch the show due to this simple fact. I couldnt even be objective with myself. "Watch it purely from an educational view", I though to myself... But I just coudnt do it. There is enough other crap that reminds us of how we live in a flawed society. Fishing really shoudnt be one of them.
As for girl in bikinis... Tasteless. I have a beautiful wife at home. Dont need to go looking for sensation on a Bass fishing TV show. No place for it.
With the guys at ESA bringing in Glenn Agliotti, they ended up causing such a stir, that everybody missed the purpose of this show completely. All they managed to highlight was that they dont mind associating with a lesser ethical individual.
I didn't watch the show due to this simple fact. I couldnt even be objective with myself. "Watch it purely from an educational view", I though to myself... But I just coudnt do it. There is enough other crap that reminds us of how we live in a flawed society. Fishing really shoudnt be one of them.
As for girl in bikinis... Tasteless. I have a beautiful wife at home. Dont need to go looking for sensation on a Bass fishing TV show. No place for it.
madporra wrote:
So what you are saying is that you know Mr. Agliotti and you know for a fact that he is no way involved in conservation?
I am not defending Agliotti - I am merely saying that the public has no right to judge Agliotti nor to judge ESA for whom they choose to be guests on their show.
The sport is bigger than the angler - if you dont wanna watch eSA anymore because of something they have done - dont watch - it is as simple as change the channel!!!
So what you are saying is that you know Mr. Agliotti and you know for a fact that he is no way involved in conservation?
I am not defending Agliotti - I am merely saying that the public has no right to judge Agliotti nor to judge ESA for whom they choose to be guests on their show.
The sport is bigger than the angler - if you dont wanna watch eSA anymore because of something they have done - dont watch - it is as simple as change the channel!!!
Misguide
I have VERY recently spoken to Super Sport about airing a program and they have packages that they offer if you want to do a series, 12, 36 or 52 shows. You do get paid for these show. If the money is enough to cover the costs of such a show? I am sure it depends on a lot of things.
I do not believe my criticism is destructive to ESA, maybe to Mr. Agliotti absolutely! Do I know him yes I do, and his fancy house he use to own in Sandton. To say that somebody in SA must be judged by the judicial system is a joke, why is the crime rate so hi and corrupt cops is n everday thing. I might not have the right to judge Mr. Agliotti but I sure as hell have the right to protect my children from drug dealers like him!
Also agree with MikeF if I pay to watch a show I have the right to complain! Please believe me Super Sport got a long letter from me.
I have VERY recently spoken to Super Sport about airing a program and they have packages that they offer if you want to do a series, 12, 36 or 52 shows. You do get paid for these show. If the money is enough to cover the costs of such a show? I am sure it depends on a lot of things.
I do not believe my criticism is destructive to ESA, maybe to Mr. Agliotti absolutely! Do I know him yes I do, and his fancy house he use to own in Sandton. To say that somebody in SA must be judged by the judicial system is a joke, why is the crime rate so hi and corrupt cops is n everday thing. I might not have the right to judge Mr. Agliotti but I sure as hell have the right to protect my children from drug dealers like him!
Also agree with MikeF if I pay to watch a show I have the right to complain! Please believe me Super Sport got a long letter from me.
Madporra, Im with you. This guy is reaaly missing the point. The show was suppose to promote conservation. Has it done that? With all the outcry...? I think not!
Why did they not get a proper conservationist who knows the dam well? Why him, if purely not for media sensation. The choice just doesnt make sense. I HIGHLY doubt that he even recycles let alone does anything for nature.
Simple fact and case is that they failed the public and any members who pay good money to belong to the brand.
Why did they not get a proper conservationist who knows the dam well? Why him, if purely not for media sensation. The choice just doesnt make sense. I HIGHLY doubt that he even recycles let alone does anything for nature.
Simple fact and case is that they failed the public and any members who pay good money to belong to the brand.
This is what makes Sealine so exciting - there are so many passionate people on this forum.
I am passionate about fishing and really enjoy conversing with like minded people.
I am not gonna argue all day about who is right and what is wrong!
The point is ... ::respekt: ... to ESA for allowing me an opportunity to watch the sport I love on TV.
I am passionate about fishing and really enjoy conversing with like minded people.
I am not gonna argue all day about who is right and what is wrong!
The point is ... ::respekt: ... to ESA for allowing me an opportunity to watch the sport I love on TV.